Trade Talk (Part Six)

[Norseman79]

Some Myles Turner chatter starting up...all for it if we can afford him...

Russell
Edwards
McDaniels
Towns/Turner
Turner/Towns

That would move the needle depending on cost. Certainly shouldn't be as expensive as a Ben Simmons type, but going to lose some prospects and probably future 1rsts

[Baseline81]

Some Myles Turner chatter starting up...all for it if we can afford him...

Russell
Edwards
McDaniels
Towns/Turner
Turner/Towns

That would move the needle depending on cost. Certainly shouldn't be as expensive as a Ben Simmons type, but going to lose some prospects and probably future 1rsts

Is this what you are referring to?

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[SO_MONEY]

Some Myles Turner chatter starting up...all for it if we can afford him...

Russell
Edwards
McDaniels
Towns/Turner
Turner/Towns

That would move the needle depending on cost. Certainly shouldn't be as expensive as a Ben Simmons type, but going to lose some prospects and probably future 1rsts

Pass on Turner.

[moss_is_1]

Some Myles Turner chatter starting up...all for it if we can afford him...

Russell
Edwards
McDaniels
Towns/Turner
Turner/Towns

That would move the needle depending on cost. Certainly shouldn't be as expensive as a Ben Simmons type, but going to lose some prospects and probably future 1rsts

Pass on Turner.

Depends on the price for me. I'd assume Beasley is the piece we're offering. Beasley and Naz? I'd do that. Not if we give up Mcdaniels or a first rounder.

[Neeva]

Turner and his defense is overRated.

[jpatrick]

Turner and his defense is overRated.

Curious. Why do you say that? I believe he was in serious contention for defensive player of the year before getting hurt.

To me, blocks are the most overrated stat in basketball. You can be a great shot blocker but still poor defensive player, see Hassan Whiteside. However, I think advanced stats say Turner is closer to a Gobert than a Whiteside.

That said, the cost will be a lot. Beasley, future first, and a prospect would be my guess.

[SO_MONEY]

Some Myles Turner chatter starting up...all for it if we can afford him...

Russell
Edwards
McDaniels
Towns/Turner
Turner/Towns

That would move the needle depending on cost. Certainly shouldn't be as expensive as a Ben Simmons type, but going to lose some prospects and probably future 1rsts

Pass on Turner.

Depends on the price for me. I'd assume Beasley is the piece we're offering. Beasley and Naz? I'd do that. Not if we give up Mcdaniels or a first rounder.

I don't think I would give Naz, Beasley and actual filler, sure. If they bite, super, if not oh well. I don't buy Turner having excessive value, Beasley on a better contract and a guy like Culver, maybe Layman? Is more to my thinking... perhaps a way out 2nd.

[Norseman79]

With Turners contract coming up, it may not be as high as you think. The biggest issue will be if a bidding war happens, and if it does, you just get out.

I offer Beasley, Reid, Okoge/Culver and a potential 1rst Rd pick swap down the road.

Turner, at 25, also gives some Kat insurance Incase of injury or if he decides he wants out.

Ultimately if Wolves are calling it's to gauge value and will probably be checking on multiple players rumored to be on the table...it's what an active gm who sees holes on a roster does

[NebWolvesFan]

Myles Turner's defense his not overrated. He's been a plus defender for the last few years. I promise you he will get Indiana a return similar to what Covington got Minnesota and Houston - two firsts plus players. Minnesota isn't getting Turner unless they lose their 2021 pick to GS and are willing to trade FRP in 22 and 25 with protections.

[jpatrick]

Myles Turner's defense his not overrated. He's been a plus defender for the last few years. I promise you he will get Indiana a return similar to what Covington got Minnesota and Houston - two firsts plus players. Minnesota isn't getting Turner unless they lose their 2021 pick to GS and are willing to trade FRP in 22 and 25 with protections.

I think Covington or Aaron Gordon are the trades to look at to see what type of packages would be needed. Centers have lost value but Turner’s shooting/shot blocking fit the current NBA.

[TheProdigy]

Not adding a top end prospect this year is the proverbial end of the world, which is why winning all those meaningless games should upset everyone. It cannot be overstated how potentially damaging this could be for the direction and future of the team.

Even if we had the worst record in the league, the probability of losing the pick is higher than keeping the pick. We were probably going to lose the pick regardless of how we ended the season.

It also can't be overstated how damaging it would be for Finch's tenure as coach if he was throwing games a few months after joining the team. Do you think players would respect him going forward if he was losing on purpose?

I stand by what I said and do not wish to converse further with people who don't grasp it.

I think I understand it just fine. You're being very dramatic saying things likes it's the end of the world if we lose our pick, when in reality we were probably going to lose the pick if even we had the worst record. Moving from worst record to 6th worst record only decreased our odds by 12.5%.

[SO_MONEY]

Even if we had the worst record in the league, the probability of losing the pick is higher than keeping the pick. We were probably going to lose the pick regardless of how we ended the season.

It also can't be overstated how damaging it would be for Finch's tenure as coach if he was throwing games a few months after joining the team. Do you think players would respect him going forward if he was losing on purpose?

I stand by what I said and do not wish to converse further with people who don't grasp it.

I think I understand it just fine. You're being very dramatic saying things likes it's the end of the world if we lose our pick, when in reality we were probably going to lose the pick if even we had the worst record. Moving from worst record to 6th worst record only decreased our odds by 12.5%.

You are making excuses and denying the obvious. People don't much care for that. There are literally no positive outcomes yielded from their actions in terms of making this team the best it could be. None.. The fact you need to weigh in to do this only proves you don't get it. I want the team to be the best it can be, you are concerned with pointless, probably non-existent moral victories. And I didn't say it is the end of the world, I said that idiom was proverbial, as in it was the worst thing they could do in this regard.

[TheProdigy]

I stand by what I said and do not wish to converse further with people who don't grasp it.

I think I understand it just fine. You're being very dramatic saying things likes it's the end of the world if we lose our pick, when in reality we were probably going to lose the pick if even we had the worst record. Moving from worst record to 6th worst record only decreased our odds by 12.5%.

You are making excuses and denying the obvious. People don't much care for that. There are literally no positive outcomes yielded from their actions in terms of making this team the best it could be. None.. The fact you need to weigh in to do this only proves you don't get it. I want the team to be the best it can be, you are concerned with pointless, probably non-existent moral victories. And I didn't say it is the end of the world, I said that idiom was proverbial, as in it was the worst thing they could do in this regard.

This type of loser mentality has not served us well over the last 15 years.

I think the difference between us is I have a better grasp of probabilities and statistics. I went through this entire season assuming we wouldn't keep the pick (again only a 40% chance at best of keeping the pick). You on the other hand sound like you were expecting to keep the pick, hence the dramatic "proverbial end of the world" comment.

Crying over 12.5% is a waste of time.

[SO_MONEY]

I think I understand it just fine. You're being very dramatic saying things likes it's the end of the world if we lose our pick, when in reality we were probably going to lose the pick if even we had the worst record. Moving from worst record to 6th worst record only decreased our odds by 12.5%.

You are making excuses and denying the obvious. People don't much care for that. There are literally no positive outcomes yielded from their actions in terms of making this team the best it could be. None.. The fact you need to weigh in to do this only proves you don't get it. I want the team to be the best it can be, you are concerned with pointless, probably non-existent moral victories. And I didn't say it is the end of the world, I said that idiom was proverbial, as in it was the worst thing they could do in this regard.

This type of loser mentality has not served us well over the last 15 years.

I think the difference between us is I have a better grasp of probabilities and statistics. I went through this entire season assuming we wouldn't keep the pick (again only a 40% chance at best of keeping the pick). You on the other hand sound like you were expecting to keep the pick, hence the dramatic "proverbial end of the world" comment.

Crying over 12.5% is a waste of time.

Your mentally is the loser mentality!

I can get indifference over our self-defeating behavior, such as "figures"...what I don't get is the mental gymnastics people need to play to not admit what happened was bad. And being it is bad and nothing good comes from it statistically, it is frustrating to fans that want the team to do the right things and put the best team on the court for long-term success. Your loser mentality isn't going to fly with those fans. Moreover, the obliviousness from those in denial is probably more frustrating than what they did in the first place, what I am saying is not debatable and to want to dig in and justify the indefensible actions of the franchise tells me you don't want to win and want to argue. If this were not the case I could say what I said and you would just let it be, because I am right.

Lastly, you don't know my level of education, but being I was early on going for actuarial science, maybe lecturing me about statistics and probability is not the best tact.

[IceManBK1]

McDermott and turner for Rubio, Beasley and Culver.

[Baseline81]

SO_MONEY,

If the Wolves would have tanked, where do you think the team would have finished? I doubt they could have been worse than Houston. If that's the case, it'll be interesting to see where Detroit and Orlando land after the lottery.

[SO_MONEY]

SO_MONEY,

If the Wolves would have tanked, where do you think the team would have finished? I doubt they could have been worse than Houston. If that's the case, it'll be interesting to see where Detroit and Orlando land after the lottery.

The Wolves preferably would have finished with the 3rd worst record. But I am not concerned with where they may have finished, they didn't. Winning games we shouldn't have was our downfall, HOU and WAS games stand out and would have basically by themselves been enough to maximize our chances while having some flexibility (margin of error) to win a few like we were. Small things can have a relatively substantial impact. And YES 12.5% is substantial!!!

[TheProdigy]

You are making excuses and denying the obvious. People don't much care for that. There are literally no positive outcomes yielded from their actions in terms of making this team the best it could be. None.. The fact you need to weigh in to do this only proves you don't get it. I want the team to be the best it can be, you are concerned with pointless, probably non-existent moral victories. And I didn't say it is the end of the world, I said that idiom was proverbial, as in it was the worst thing they could do in this regard.

This type of loser mentality has not served us well over the last 15 years.

I think the difference between us is I have a better grasp of probabilities and statistics. I went through this entire season assuming we wouldn't keep the pick (again only a 40% chance at best of keeping the pick). You on the other hand sound like you were expecting to keep the pick, hence the dramatic "proverbial end of the world" comment.

Crying over 12.5% is a waste of time.

Your mentally is the loser mentality!

I can get indifference over our self-defeating behavior, such as "figures"...what I don't get is the mental gymnastics people need to play to not admit what happened was bad. And being it is bad and nothing good comes from it statistically, it is frustrating to fans that want the team to do the right things and put the best team on the court for long-term success. Your loser mentality isn't going to fly with those fans. Moreover, the obliviousness from those in denial is probably more frustrating than what they did in the first place, what I am saying is not debatable and to want to dig in and justify the indefensible actions of the franchise tells me you don't want to win and want to argue. If this were not the case I could say what I said and you would just let it be, because I am right.

Lastly, you don't know my level of education, but being I was early on going for actuarial science, maybe lecturing me about statistics and probability is not the best tact.

I have a loser mentality for hoping my team wins games and carries positive momentum into the next season? Doh'k - Now I know you're living in fantasy land. How many years do we need to be at the top of the lottery before fans like yourself understand that there's more to building a roster than having high draft picks? There is a term for people who keep doing the same things expecting different results...

I'll let you go back to crying about 12.5%, and leave you with this: "Winning is habit. Unfortunately so is losing."

[SO_MONEY]

This type of loser mentality has not served us well over the last 15 years.

I think the difference between us is I have a better grasp of probabilities and statistics. I went through this entire season assuming we wouldn't keep the pick (again only a 40% chance at best of keeping the pick). You on the other hand sound like you were expecting to keep the pick, hence the dramatic "proverbial end of the world" comment.

Crying over 12.5% is a waste of time.

Your mentally is the loser mentality!

I can get indifference over our self-defeating behavior, such as "figures"...what I don't get is the mental gymnastics people need to play to not admit what happened was bad. And being it is bad and nothing good comes from it statistically, it is frustrating to fans that want the team to do the right things and put the best team on the court for long-term success. Your loser mentality isn't going to fly with those fans. Moreover, the obliviousness from those in denial is probably more frustrating than what they did in the first place, what I am saying is not debatable and to want to dig in and justify the indefensible actions of the franchise tells me you don't want to win and want to argue. If this were not the case I could say what I said and you would just let it be, because I am right.

Lastly, you don't know my level of education, but being I was early on going for actuarial science, maybe lecturing me about statistics and probability is not the best tact.

I have a loser mentality for hoping my team wins games and carries positive momentum into the next season? Doh'k - Now I know you're living in fantasy land. How many years do we need to be at the top of the lottery before fans like yourself understand that there's more to building a roster than having high draft picks? There is a term for people who keep doing the same things expecting different results...

I'll let you go back to crying about 12.5%, and leave you with this: "Winning is habit. Unfortunately so is losing."

You have a loser mentality because you don't want to maximize the team and think that "momentum" is worth something or will carry over and that can't be achieved in the off-season or during next season... this ignores any roster turnover. You are in denial and 12.5% is significant. With respect to Vince, winning is not a habit, that is just motivational talk with no basis in reality. Winning is a result of talent and drive intersecting, nothing more nothing less. You will win more if you are better and work harder than the other team. If your players can't motivate themselves, you have the wrong players.

You obviously need to win next year or KAT might leverage his way out, this was the last year to add a top talent under this iteration. Asking how many years do we need to be in the lottery, tells me you don't get where we are at, the crossroads we are facing...it also makes many of your arguments worthless...since I fully understand that if we are in the lottery (top of it anyways) next year that is as bad as not tanking this year.

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