2017 Draft Thread

Murphs56 · Post #1781 » by **Murphs56** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:07 am

If Isaac is off the board, I think the Wolves have to go Smith Jr. Yes, PG is certainly not the biggest need BUT there will be teams that covet him and it gives the Wolves the best opportunity to improve the team by trade.

karch34 · Post #1782 » by **karch34** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:30 am

horaceworthy wrote:I think Tatum's the safest bet among the top 3 forwards to be gone before #7. I actually think the guy with the best chance of dropping is Jackson. He's the best athlete, but in comparison to the other two, he's a little older, has the shakiest jumper, and is the only one with a hint of off court baggage.

If all three are gone I'd be happy with Smith or Anunoby. Smith is the better prospect between those two, but OG plays a position of greater need and would unlock more lineup options for us.

I wouldn't mind Zach Collins given his potential two way value, but his value might be diminished given there's less of a premium on lineups with two traditional big men.

I wouldn't be as excited about Monk or Lauri, but I could at least get behind the added shooting. With Markannen I have concerns about the fit defensively, with Monk my concern is that his best position could also be the best position for 2 of the 3 players that make up the Wolves are building around.

I'm pretty much in agreement. I think OG is probably the highest risk/reward player in the draft. Only differences are that I think the small minutes and level of competition makes Collins tough, Lauri concerns me a lot defensively, and I think Monk is probably undervalued..he's got some differences compared to Booker but I see a lot of the same upside.

Streakers33 · Post #1783 » by **Streakers33** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:09 am

A lot of experts say monk is the best player in the draft and most recently TT on kfan says he is the best , and we cannot deny the huge impact Kentucky players have had lately... makes me think. Even though I'm not high on monk... Isaac doesn't wow me.. Jackson does. And I truely believe we see Boston taking him at pick 3. Athletic wings they are taking and slowly building that dynasty..
These jimmy butler rumors are becoming more consistent... are we even drafting this year? Sorry boys , but it truely feels like thibs is trading this pick.. which is the right thing to do.. not judging.. just throwing this out there..

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the_bruce · Post #1784 » by **the_bruce** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:21 am

I really like Anunoby too. This kid is going to be a not crazy Ron Artest clone. His floor is high with tools to guard 4 positions. Offensively his upside is limited but with our lineup, that's less of an issue. IND crumbled after he was injured.

I think jackson falls even though he probably has the highest ceiling. Several issues that might seem like red flags to some teams.

fultz
ball
tatum
isaac
fox
jackson

The only player I could see sneaking in that top 6 is DSJ, very unlikely.

So we are left with dsj. I'd pick dsj and trade down for OG.

Post #1785 » by **Klomp** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:32 am

It's interesting looking at the DX mock. Knowing how Thibs like defense and length, if there was a trade down with Portland, we could hypothetically come out of the draft with Ntilikina (7-1 wingspan) and Anunoby (7-2+ wingspan). Frank is currently mocked one spot ahead of Portland's pick, but that's not outside the realm of possibility. Or even throw Jarrett Allen (7-5+ wingspan) or Ike Anigbogu (7-6+) into the conversation in that range.

I don't think a trade down is likely, but I don't think it's outside the realm of possibilities either. It wasn't something we were considering at all in 2013, to my best recollection.

minimus · Post #1786 » by **minimus** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:32 am

Sugarless wrote:
minimus wrote:Tatum gives me Derrick Williams vibes. He is not quick or tall enough to be stretch 4. He needs to be super clutch shot maker to be a star in NBA, but even Melo cant give you wins in this NBA.

Tatum is the complete opposite of Williams.

And what's that about a 6-8 guy not being tall enough to play the 4? That makes zero sense. There are dozens of guys that height playing the 4 and even the 5. Hell, you have a guy like Draymond Green playing C plenty of time and he's barely 6-7, if at all.

Are you really comparing Tatum to Draymond Green? Let me explain, Tatum is considered as a highly efficient scorer, who can create his own shot in ISO situations. He will be drafted for this. But he is small for stretch 4 because he won't be able to use his strength or advantage in quickness over slow footed PF to score like he did. He doesn't have strength nor wingspan to defend NBA PF/C like Draymond does. He will be punished in defense if he plays at SF as well, because he is not athletic or quick enough to guard deepest position in NBA. Jabari Parker had similar physical profile, but he was bulkier and stronger, also after first ACL injury he gained a lot of muscles and strength. Still he was one of the worst defender in MIL.

He might be a good role player, if he can maximize his physical tools and develop basketball IQ. I think he can be our Shane Battier without that suffocating defense.

minimus · Post #1787 » by **minimus** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:34 am

Killboard wrote:
guille_4 wrote:
Sugarless wrote:
Better defense, better rebounding, better handling, bigger, stronger. Whether he ends up being a 22PPG scorer or not, Tatum has the ability and team oriented mentality to become a better all-around player than Wiggins, who's still mostly an efficient scorer going into his 4th season.

I'm not confident at all that Tatum can fall that much (I can see the Suns taking him before Isaac, and the Magic picking him instead of DSJ), but if he's there and your worries are that he and Wiggins may be too similar, then it's the perfect excuse to move Wiggins for a two-way All-Star like Butler, who would give the Wolves an excellent trio of wings with LaVine and Tatum. Now that would be the start of a truly exciting year...

How does Tatum compare to Otto Porter?

He is more versatile on offense but Porter could have an edge on defense, specially on the perimeter. Porter has an edge on wingspan but Tatum has better build and an edge on standing reach. What set Tatum apart is his youth. Porter was pretty meh his first season in college.

Otto Porter is below average defender in NBA, but he was one of the most efficient spot up shooters from 3pt.

Tukkerwolf · Post #1788 » by **Tukkerwolf** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:38 am

Isn't Tatum the worst possible fit with Wiggins, Lavine and to a lesser degree KAT? Or would we be drafting him for the Shabazz role?

Sugarless · Post #1789 » by **Sugarless** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:50 am

minimus wrote:
Sugarless wrote:
minimus wrote:Tatum gives me Derrick Williams vibes. He is not quick or tall enough to be stretch 4. He needs to be super clutch shot maker to be a star in NBA, but even Melo cant give you wins in this NBA.

Tatum is the complete opposite of Williams.

And what's that about a 6-8 guy not being tall enough to play the 4? That makes zero sense. There are dozens of guys that height playing the 4 and even the 5. Hell, you have a guy like Draymond Green playing C plenty of time and he's barely 6-7, if at all.

Are you really comparing Tatum to Draymond Green?

LOL. I'm not comparing anyone, you're the one who's got this fixation with comparing players (people tend to do that often when they haven't seen much of a guy and they need to base their image of him on somebody else they know better. Just saying) which takes you from saying Donovan Mitchell is CJ McCollum one day to Marcus Smart the next. :roll:

You could have saved yourself the rest of the message. I'm telling you you said he doesn't have the height to play PF, despite the fact that we're in an era where 6-8 / 6-9 PFs are the rule, not the exception. Your idea of him not being tall enough to play stretch-4 was/is pure BS. There are plenty of players in this league who play PF either most of the time or situationally, and some are taller, some are shorter, some are strong, some are lightweight, some have N-S speed but no lateral quickness, some play good D based on instincts, some rely on their experience and awareness. Just quit looking for a prototype like there's only kind of player for each position and role. It's absurd.

Sugarless · Post #1790 » by **Sugarless** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:52 am

minimus wrote:
Killboard wrote:
guille_4 wrote:
How does Tatum compare to Otto Porter?

He is more versatile on offense but Porter could have an edge on defense, specially on the perimeter. Porter has an edge on wingspan but Tatum has better build and an edge on standing reach. What set Tatum apart is his youth. Porter was pretty meh his first season in college.

Otto Porter is below average defender in NBA

Post #1791 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:58 am

Tatum is probably the same height as Kevin Love in bare feet

fattymcgee · Post #1792 » by **fattymcgee** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:25 pm

Streakers33 wrote:A lot of experts say monk is the best player in the draft and most recently TT on kfan says he is the best , and we cannot deny the huge impact Kentucky players have had lately... makes me think. Even though I'm not high on monk... Isaac doesn't wow me.. Jackson does. And I truely believe we see Boston taking him at pick 3. Athletic wings they are taking and slowly building that dynasty..
These jimmy butler rumors are becoming more consistent... are we even drafting this year? Sorry boys , but it truely feels like thibs is trading this pick.. which is the right thing to do.. not judging.. just throwing this out there..

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"A lot of experts say Monk is the best player in the draft"? Really? I haven't heard a single expert say that. Since Philly traded their pick I haven't seen a single mock with him in the top 6, some don't even have him in the top 10.

Not saying he couldn't end up being the best player but I've been checking many, many website the last couple weeks and I've never heard anyone say that.

BTW, who is TT? I don't think I would call anyone on KFAN an expert.

Neeva · Post #1793 » by **Neeva** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:36 pm

Dsj please
He will be a star!

wildvikeswolves · Post #1794 » by **wildvikeswolves** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:45 pm

With Thibs saying the plan is to draft the best player available and not draft for need, I have a hard time seeing Markkanen being the pick.

Post #1795 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:55 pm

wildvikeswolves wrote:With Thibs saying the plan is to draft the best player available and not draft for need, I have a hard time seeing Markkanen being the pick.

I don't know that anything coming out of Thibs mouth before the draft will be useful in predicting the pick.

Slim Tubby · Post #1796 » by **Slim Tubby** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:31 pm

fattymcgee wrote:
Streakers33 wrote:A lot of experts say monk is the best player in the draft and most recently TT on kfan says he is the best , and we cannot deny the huge impact Kentucky players have had lately... makes me think. Even though I'm not high on monk... Isaac doesn't wow me.. Jackson does. And I truely believe we see Boston taking him at pick 3. Athletic wings they are taking and slowly building that dynasty..
These jimmy butler rumors are becoming more consistent... are we even drafting this year? Sorry boys , but it truely feels like thibs is trading this pick.. which is the right thing to do.. not judging.. just throwing this out there..

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"A lot of experts say Monk is the best player in the draft"? Really? I haven't heard a single expert say that. Since Philly traded their pick I haven't seen a single mock with him in the top 6, some don't even have him in the top 10.

Not saying he couldn't end up being the best player but I've been checking many, many website the last couple weeks and I've never heard anyone say that.

BTW, who is TT? I don't think I would call anyone on KFAN an expert.

TT is Trent Tucker and he does know his stuff. If we take Markkanen over Monk and/or DSJ, I will be pretty disappointed.

Post #1797 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:33 pm

I would take Markannen over Monk. I really see no need for Monk. Either take BPA or somebody who fits. Assuming Isaac and Tatum are gone, I would say Smith Jr is most likely BPA while the best fits would be Markannen, Collins or Anunoby depending what you value the most.

Slim Tubby · Post #1798 » by **Slim Tubby** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:42 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I would take Markannen over Monk. I really see no need for Monk. Either take BPA or somebody who fits. Assuming Isaac and Tatum are gone, I would say Smith Jr is most likely BPA while the best fits would be Markannen, Collins or Anunoby depending what you value the most.

IMO, Markkanen is a horrible fit for the Wolves. He does bring outside shooting (which we desperately need) but he doesn't defend, doesn't protect the rim and is not a rebounding presence. Zach Collins or Jarrett Allen would be better choices if we trade down to the 10-15 range.

Post #1799 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:47 pm

Slim Tubby wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:I would take Markannen over Monk. I really see no need for Monk. Either take BPA or somebody who fits. Assuming Isaac and Tatum are gone, I would say Smith Jr is most likely BPA while the best fits would be Markannen, Collins or Anunoby depending what you value the most.

IMO, Markkanen is a horrible fit for the Wolves. He does bring outside shooting (which we desperately need) but he doesn't defend, doesn't protect the rim and is not a rebounding presence. Zach Collins or Jarrett Allen would be better choices if we trade down to the 10-15 range.

I think a 3 point shooting big is about the optimal thing we could add offensively. Yes, the other things are issues.

janmagn · Post #1800 » by **janmagn** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:55 pm

Slim Tubby wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:I would take Markannen over Monk. I really see no need for Monk. Either take BPA or somebody who fits. Assuming Isaac and Tatum are gone, I would say Smith Jr is most likely BPA while the best fits would be Markannen, Collins or Anunoby depending what you value the most.

IMO, Markkanen is a horrible fit for the Wolves. He does bring outside shooting (which we desperately need) but he doesn't defend, doesn't protect the rim and is not a rebounding presence. Zach Collins or Jarrett Allen would be better choices if we trade down to the 10-15 range.

I mean, did you watch any of Arizona's games? Markkanen has the effort on D, just lacks the skill to be good. Just watch BBallBreakdown's video on Youtube on Markkanen and you'll understand

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