Updates on former Wolves

[shrink]

I think the trade was fine for value, but it’s hard to see a guy traded that clearly wanted to be in Minnesota.

[KGdaBom]

I think the trade was fine for value, but it’s hard to see a guy traded that clearly wanted to be in Minnesota.

It was a lot of fun watching him interact with Ant in interviews and other settings.

[Klomp]

Yes, it does not seem right that KAT is gone. I understand all the reasons why, but there is still a KAT sized hole in my fandom.

I don't think we are better without Towns. Should had keep building around Ant and Towns. The salary cap will be difficult but not impossible.

I'm not really sure if we're better due to the trade or not. Last year we probably would have been better without the trade. Julius is still a fringe all star, DDV was OK last year, but if he returns to form that will be big and just how good will Le Berricade be. We might be better eventually.

I don't think better is the right question. I think there is a lot of value in simply having the ability to make moves. We would be a lot more cash-strapped without the trade. We probably don't have Naz Reid right now. We certainly don't have Donte DiVincenzo or Joan Beringer right now.

[Klomp]

I think the trade was fine for value, but it’s hard to see a guy traded that clearly wanted to be in Minnesota.

It is, but it's dangerous to run a professional organization through a "does he like us" lens. Especially considering we are still a "fly-over" organization, for the most part. And it is good to know now that we have players who talk up Minnesota in other markets. Spread that desire to come to a good organization in Minnesota!

[shrink]

I think the trade was fine for value, but it’s hard to see a guy traded that clearly wanted to be in Minnesota.

It is, but it's dangerous to run a professional organization through a "does he like us" lens. Especially considering we are still a "fly-over" organization, for the most part. And it is good to know now that we have players who talk up Minnesota in other markets. Spread that desire to come to a good organization in Minnesota!

Oh, I agree with you, but with so many players unwilling to come to Minnesota (how can Kyle Anderson be the best free agent we ever attracted?!), finding good players that actually want to be here has value. Throughout our history, we have had to offer contracts that were too expensive or too long to even compete for mediocre free agents.

I’m not saying I oppose the KAT trade, just that in Minnesota, there is extra value to players that want to be here. Connelly has started to inspire that (Naz) - first time in our history

[KGdaBom]

I think the trade was fine for value, but it’s hard to see a guy traded that clearly wanted to be in Minnesota.

It is, but it's dangerous to run a professional organization through a "does he like us" lens. Especially considering we are still a "fly-over" organization, for the most part. And it is good to know now that we have players who talk up Minnesota in other markets. Spread that desire to come to a good organization in Minnesota!

Oh, I agree with you, but with so many players unwilling to come to Minnesota (how can Kyle Anderson be the best free agent we ever attracted?!), finding good players that actually want to be here has value. Throughout our history, we have had to offer contracts that were too expensive or too long to even compete for mediocre free agents.

I’m not saying I oppose the KAT trade, just that in Minnesota, there is extra value to players that want to be here. Connelly has started to inspire that (Naz) - first time in our history

Kevin Garnett wanted to be here. We had to beg and plead for him to accept his trade.

[Devilzsidewalk]

So brutal. It hurts thinking that KAT won't be a part of whatever is to come. I like Julius and Dante and Le Berricade. Maybe we are better due to the trade, but it still feels wrong.

Yes, it does not seem right that KAT is gone. I understand all the reasons why, but there is still a KAT sized hole in my fandom.

I don't think we are better without Towns. Should had keep building around Ant and Towns. The salary cap will be difficult but not impossible.

I was skeptical, but Randle has grown on me. Going up against Draymond in the Golden State series and really taking it to him opened my eyes. Draymond is known for being too strong and physical for a lot of players to move, and Randle went right at him repeatedly.

Theres maybe 5 or 10 guys in the league that are good no matter the situation, and everybody else needs the right matchups and circumstances to get into their offense, and I just believe in Randle's bag against a top tier defense a little bit more than KAT. He can almost always bully his way into a decent midrange look at least. KAT has no midrange game. He's a better shooter, but smart defenses stay in his pocket and force him to a driver, because that's such a mixed bag at times.

[TimberKat]

I don't think we are better without Towns. Should had keep building around Ant and Towns. The salary cap will be difficult but not impossible.

I'm not really sure if we're better due to the trade or not. Last year we probably would have been better without the trade. Julius is still a fringe all star, DDV was OK last year, but if he returns to form that will be big and just how good will Le Berricade be. We might be better eventually.

I don't think better is the right question. I think there is a lot of value in simply having the ability to make moves. We would be a lot more cash-strapped without the trade. We probably don't have Naz Reid right now. We certainly don't have Donte DiVincenzo or Joan Beringer right now.

Towns' salary is basically Randle+DDV + (Conley or (Dilly+Joan)). We still could have Gobert, Towns, Naz, JMcD, Ant, (Conley or (Dilly+Joan)), TSJ, Hyland, and Juzang. Alternatively, Towns for KD or JMcD for a starting PG.

[TimberKat]

Yes, it does not seem right that KAT is gone. I understand all the reasons why, but there is still a KAT sized hole in my fandom.

I don't think we are better without Towns. Should had keep building around Ant and Towns. The salary cap will be difficult but not impossible.

I was skeptical, but Randle has grown on me. Going up against Draymond in the Golden State series and really taking it to him opened my eyes. Draymond is known for being too strong and physical for a lot of players to move, and Randle went right at him repeatedly.

Theres maybe 5 or 10 guys in the league that are good no matter the situation, and everybody else needs the right matchups and circumstances to get into their offense, and I just believe in Randle's bag against a top tier defense a little bit more than KAT. He can almost always bully his way into a decent midrange look at least. KAT has no midrange game. He's a better shooter, but smart defenses stay in his pocket and force him to a driver, because that's such a mixed bag at times.

Randle seems to have issues with taller players. His performance in the OKC series showed his limitation. Towns is more versatile and pass well to Gobert.

[BlacJacMac]

I'm not really sure if we're better due to the trade or not. Last year we probably would have been better without the trade. Julius is still a fringe all star, DDV was OK last year, but if he returns to form that will be big and just how good will Le Berricade be. We might be better eventually.

I don't think better is the right question. I think there is a lot of value in simply having the ability to make moves. We would be a lot more cash-strapped without the trade. We probably don't have Naz Reid right now. We certainly don't have Donte DiVincenzo or Joan Beringer right now.

Towns' salary is basically Randle+DDV + (Conley or (Dilly+Joan)). We still could have Gobert, Towns, Naz, JMcD, Ant, (Conley or (Dilly+Joan)), TSJ, Hyland, and Juzang. Alternatively, Towns for KD or JMcD for a starting PG.

How do we have Joan?

[TimberKat]

I don't think better is the right question. I think there is a lot of value in simply having the ability to make moves. We would be a lot more cash-strapped without the trade. We probably don't have Naz Reid right now. We certainly don't have Donte DiVincenzo or Joan Beringer right now.

Towns' salary is basically Randle+DDV + (Conley or (Dilly+Joan)). We still could have Gobert, Towns, Naz, JMcD, Ant, (Conley or (Dilly+Joan)), TSJ, Hyland, and Juzang. Alternatively, Towns for KD or JMcD for a starting PG.

How do we have Joan?

I was more focused on the salary slot. If not Joan, it could be Smith.

[Klomp]

I'm not really sure if we're better due to the trade or not. Last year we probably would have been better without the trade. Julius is still a fringe all star, DDV was OK last year, but if he returns to form that will be big and just how good will Le Berricade be. We might be better eventually.

I don't think better is the right question. I think there is a lot of value in simply having the ability to make moves. We would be a lot more cash-strapped without the trade. We probably don't have Naz Reid right now. We certainly don't have Donte DiVincenzo or Joan Beringer right now.

Towns' salary is basically Randle+DDV + (Conley or (Dilly+Joan)). We still could have Gobert, Towns, Naz, JMcD, Ant, (Conley or (Dilly+Joan)), TSJ, Hyland, and Juzang. Alternatively, Towns for KD or JMcD for a starting PG.

Paying 3 or 4 players what you would pay 1 is a pretty big difference. Especially when I'm sorry, but I don't see a massive difference between Towns and Randle. Both of them are No. 2 options for good teams with questions on defense.

[KGdaBom]

I don't think better is the right question. I think there is a lot of value in simply having the ability to make moves. We would be a lot more cash-strapped without the trade. We probably don't have Naz Reid right now. We certainly don't have Donte DiVincenzo or Joan Beringer right now.

Towns' salary is basically Randle+DDV + (Conley or (Dilly+Joan)). We still could have Gobert, Towns, Naz, JMcD, Ant, (Conley or (Dilly+Joan)), TSJ, Hyland, and Juzang. Alternatively, Towns for KD or JMcD for a starting PG.

Paying 3 or 4 players what you would pay 1 is a pretty big difference. Especially when I'm sorry, but I don't see a massive difference between Towns and Randle. Both of them are No. 2 options for good teams with questions on defense.

Towns scoring is crazy efficient. Ballpark 50/40/90. Those don't grow on trees.
Speaking of that Napheesa Collier just had one and is the 2nd ever WNBA player to do it.

[Klomp]

Towns scoring is crazy efficient. Ballpark 50/40/90. Those don't grow on trees.

Last year, Towns had the 50/40, but the FTs were only at 83.

After returning from injury, Julius had a 50/40 as well, with FTs at 79.

[KGdaBom]

Towns scoring is crazy efficient. Ballpark 50/40/90. Those don't grow on trees.

Last year, Towns had the 50/40, but the FTs were only at 83.

After returning from injury, Julius had a 50/40 as well, with FTs at 79.

Julius has never had a full season of 50/40. He had 2 seasons where he got the 50 and one season where he got the 40. KAT has 6 seasons of 50/40 and 4 seasons of 85% or better FTs. Julius had a stretch of 50/40 within a season, but that's not the same.