Trade Talk (Part Four)

[Neeva]

Saw this on the Knicks forum:

From the Hawks guy who seems to be connected.
* Dantoni seems set to Indy
* Indy is dangling Turner for the top pick... ala Ball
* Dantoni WANTS Ball
* Possible 4 team deal LAL/MIN/ATL/IND

Anyone know who he's referring to (Hawks guy)?

I wanna know this also??
The only trades that make sense involving Ball to Indiana and atlanta and the Lakers as well is maybe

6, 2021 atl frp, reddish to Wolves
1, Kuzma, Capela and 28 to Indiana?
Oladipo/Turner to hawks
Holiday to Lakers?

[Baseline81]

I wanna know this also??
The only trades that make sense involving Ball to Indiana and atlanta and the Lakers as well is maybe

6, 2021 atl frp, reddish to Wolves
1, Kuzma, Capela and 28 to Indiana?
Oladipo/Turner to hawks
Holiday to Lakers?

Think it may be coming from this — post by NBASupes:
https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/431653-ask-supes/page/188/#comments
Actual post:

Major Update:

Pacers, Lakers, Knicks w/ a dash of Wolves, Hawks, Thunder, Sixers, and Spurs.



The biggest story I've been breaking is Indy interest in Mike D'Antoni and their interest in LaMelo Ball. Well, that interest hasn't gotten smaller but the trade talks have opened up as well as Mike D's expectation. Mike wants to get

A. A long term deal with a lot of security

B. A roster that fits his needs

C. A lead initiator he believes in which Indy currently doesn't have.

As of right now, Indy has FINALLY put Myles Turner in the talks and have removed T.J. Warren and Oladipo. They have also added Doug McDermott. As of right now, they are just working out the minors details of the deal but it seems like it could be getting close to completion is what he has been told.

Another move is Oladipo who has garnered interest across the league. He was told that the Lakers have the best shot. He mention a possible four way deal with Ball to Indy including Atlanta landing Danny Green, Turner/Doug to MIN, Ball, LAL 1st, Kuzma, and Johnson to IND, and Oladipo to the LAL.

The Lakers have identified KCP has the prime priority to resign and would love to keep Dwight, Morris, and Rondo. The big target for the Lakers will be Tristian Thompson and Josh Jackson in FA. He was told Cleveland will also try to resign TT.

Knicks are not really talking to the media so they are having a tough time getting any trade details but my guy is thankfully connected to both orgs so he got some news for me. Same ole, same ole. The Knicks are NOT interested in trading a future 1st. They are NOT interested in trading either pick for players. They are only interested in trading players for players. Because if this, it's made them attractive for a CP3 trade but I've been told Philly is in the lead for CP3 and LAL is in the lead for Oladipo.

The Knicks are actually trying to build their team the right way, they are being patience and don't want to get people hyped on moves that might not happen.

Spurs are looking to trade LMA for a fit upgrade. He is still productive and he's a quality teammate. Expect suitors. SA big target is currently Al Horford. They aren't dying to trade Mills but he can be had if packaged with LMA is what I was told but they would prefer to keep Mills.

[Neeva]

The wolves don’t need Myles Turner and Mcdermott SMH

[Klomp]

Interesting Rosas-type add from Indiana might be Aaron Holiday. I remember Wolfson saying there had been some Wolves interest there previously too.

[shangrila]

I wanna know this also??
The only trades that make sense involving Ball to Indiana and atlanta and the Lakers as well is maybe

6, 2021 atl frp, reddish to Wolves
1, Kuzma, Capela and 28 to Indiana?
Oladipo/Turner to hawks
Holiday to Lakers?

Think it may be coming from this — post by NBASupes:
https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/431653-ask-supes/page/188/#comments

So if I understand it correctly it's;

IND - #1, #28, Kyle Kuzma, James Johnson
ATL - Danny Green
MIN - Myles Turner, Doug McDermott
LAL - Victor Oladipo

Which is just...wow. I guess if you want to go twin towers Turner would be the guy. McDermott is a sniper too. It doesn't work financially so I'm guessing this is a sign and trade the picks situation, if Ball is making 10mil if would be enough to cover the returning salary when combined with Johnson's. I'd get a good chuckle out of Kuzma in Indiana. Guess it's not Orlando at least, ey Kyle? Would be curious to know what else is involved, as the guy says there's still minor details to work out. Maybe that involves Holiday like Klomp suggested? Or 2nds/future 1sts?

The more I look into Turner the more I'd probably pull the trigger on this trade. Assuming you think he can guard the perimeter then he's everything we want at a good price and a young age. Doug can help with floor spacing and isn't too old himself. I know people will be hesitant to trade out of the lottery and all the shiny potential there but it's hard to argue against Turner. He's might not be Simmons, Beal or Booker but he's definitely on that next tier. Hell, he even provides you some insurance if Towns decides he wants out.

[Whole Truth]

Am I missing something? GSW owns the #2? The CHI write up is for #2. Did you switch this trade to MIN and the #1, and not edit it?

This seems like particularly poor value.

Yes, GS fans were proposing (#2, Looney) for (#4 Carter) So I thought the value was close for the #1 because Looney has some value as well in trade.

I also have more perceived value on the Memphis pick/s than the mid to late firsts Minnesota fans see them as. The Utah pick is protected (1-8, 15-30) in 2021 so it can't be a late first it's being seen as. Then in 2022, which is supposed to be the double draft. The pick is top 6 protected, where Utah will have to find answers for Gobert & Ingles, 2 key starters hitting free agency. I do think they could end up conveying a solid lottery pick in a stronger double draft. If they get lottery luck into the top 6, then the pick is top 3 protected 2023. Same goes for my projection of the GS 2024 top 4 to 2026 unprotected. GS are going to ride their championship core until it's too late & then they're going to find themselves in a hard rebuild with their pick top 4 protected in 24, top 1 in 25, unprotected 26. Klay is in his 30's and has had a major injury, Curry will be 36 as well as Green. They currently only have Pachall & the #2 pick to help the future but in their aspirations to contend, they'll likely trade one or both for immediate help. I project that pick conveying top 10, mot mid to late lotto & would contend based on projection, it has the "potential" to be more valuable than an unprotected 2022 Knick pick outside of luck.

Which is why I asked KG if he would take a late Mavs pick in 21 to net an unprotected 2022 Knick pick. I don't think the stipulation will meet the projection without some considerable luck.

So when Wolves fans started saying the picks were mid to late lotto, It's off to where I perceived it's value to be in trade. I'm not saying they're wrong because there's risk but that risk exists for all future picks. Take Memphis owing Boston. A team looking like they'll be in the lottery for a while, like the Knicks, lucked into Morant, where projections had them finishing last in the West, not scrapping a playoff birth. Boston thought they were getting an unprotected lottery pick in 21, instead they got a mid first.

Like I said, I can't argue if people don't project the pick as I have, so I understand the dislike for the trade with the picks viewed as late firsts..

[Baseline81]

So if I understand it correctly it's;

IND - #1, #28, Kyle Kuzma, James Johnson
ATL - Danny Green
MIN - Myles Turner, Doug McDermott
LAL - Victor Oladipo

Which is just...wow. I guess if you want to go twin towers Turner would be the guy. McDermott is a sniper too. It doesn't work financially so I'm guessing this is a sign and trade the picks situation, if Ball is making 10mil if would be enough to cover the returning salary when combined with Johnson's. I'd get a good chuckle out of Kuzma in Indiana. Guess it's not Orlando at least, ey Kyle? Would be curious to know what else is involved, as the guy says there's still minor details to work out. Maybe that involves Holiday like Klomp suggested? Or 2nds/future 1sts?

The more I look into Turner the more I'd probably pull the trigger on this trade. Assuming you think he can guard the perimeter then he's everything we want at a good price and a young age. Doug can help with floor spacing and isn't too old himself. I know people will be hesitant to trade out of the lottery and all the shiny potential there but it's hard to argue against Turner. He's might not be Simmons, Beal or Booker but he's definitely on that next tier. Hell, he even provides you some insurance if Towns decides he wants out.

I like Turner, but as you stated can he defend the perimeter? If not, I don't understand the move. Granted, the 24-year old does fit the timeline alongside Russell and Towns, and he's under control for the next three seasons at $18M per year. Has he even garnered an all-star appearance in his five years?

Also not sure why McDermott should be included? Is he simply to match salaries? He's an expiring contract next season at $7M. He can certainly shoot from the outside but, to my recollection, he's quite poor defensively.

[Neeva]

Myles Turners stats are underwhelming , is his defense that good?

[Domejandro]

We have seen that he is not particularly compatible with Domantas Sabonis, I don't see a fit at all.

[SO_MONEY]

I wanna know this also??
The only trades that make sense involving Ball to Indiana and atlanta and the Lakers as well is maybe

6, 2021 atl frp, reddish to Wolves
1, Kuzma, Capela and 28 to Indiana?
Oladipo/Turner to hawks
Holiday to Lakers?

Think it may be coming from this — post by NBASupes:
https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/431653-ask-supes/page/188/#comments
Actual post:

Major Update:

Pacers, Lakers, Knicks w/ a dash of Wolves, Hawks, Thunder, Sixers, and Spurs.



The biggest story I've been breaking is Indy interest in Mike D'Antoni and their interest in LaMelo Ball. Well, that interest hasn't gotten smaller but the trade talks have opened up as well as Mike D's expectation. Mike wants to get

A. A long term deal with a lot of security

B. A roster that fits his needs

C. A lead initiator he believes in which Indy currently doesn't have.

As of right now, Indy has FINALLY put Myles Turner in the talks and have removed T.J. Warren and Oladipo. They have also added Doug McDermott. As of right now, they are just working out the minors details of the deal but it seems like it could be getting close to completion is what he has been told.

Another move is Oladipo who has garnered interest across the league. He was told that the Lakers have the best shot. He mention a possible four way deal with Ball to Indy including Atlanta landing Danny Green, Turner/Doug to MIN, Ball, LAL 1st, Kuzma, and Johnson to IND, and Oladipo to the LAL.

The Lakers have identified KCP has the prime priority to resign and would love to keep Dwight, Morris, and Rondo. The big target for the Lakers will be Tristian Thompson and Josh Jackson in FA. He was told Cleveland will also try to resign TT.

Knicks are not really talking to the media so they are having a tough time getting any trade details but my guy is thankfully connected to both orgs so he got some news for me. Same ole, same ole. The Knicks are NOT interested in trading a future 1st. They are NOT interested in trading either pick for players. They are only interested in trading players for players. Because if this, it's made them attractive for a CP3 trade but I've been told Philly is in the lead for CP3 and LAL is in the lead for Oladipo.

The Knicks are actually trying to build their team the right way, they are being patience and don't want to get people hyped on moves that might not happen.

Spurs are looking to trade LMA for a fit upgrade. He is still productive and he's a quality teammate. Expect suitors. SA big target is currently Al Horford. They aren't dying to trade Mills but he can be had if packaged with LMA is what I was told but they would prefer to keep Mills.

You know it isn't 100% accurate because no way does MN wants Turner and in no way is he enough. The only deals that make sense ship Turner and Olidipo to ATL with ATL assets coming our way.

[Mattya]

Holy f that Hawks deal is horrible for the Wolves. Hopefully that doesn’t turn out to be true so that we can put this “source” to bed.

[IceManBK1]

https://dawindycity.com/2020/10/08/chicago-bulls-rumors-trade-pick-2020-nba-draft/4/
#1 for #4 plus Lauri Markkanen is interesting. I might do another trade with Hornets Bulls#4 for Miles Bridges or with Hawks Bulls#4 for Deandre Hunter.

Dlo
Beasley
Bridges or Hunter
Markkanen
Towns

[SO_MONEY]

https://dawindycity.com/2020/10/08/chicago-bulls-rumors-trade-pick-2020-nba-draft/4/
#1 for #4 plus Lauri Markkanen is interesting. I might do another trade with Hornets Bulls#4 for Miles Bridges or with Hawks Bulls#4 for Deandre Hunter.

Dlo
Beasley
Bridges or Hunter
Markkanen
Towns

Easy pass on Markkanen. And no way do I trade #4 for Bridges or Hunter. Frankly, just keep #1 if this is what you get.

[IceManBK1]

https://dawindycity.com/2020/10/08/chicago-bulls-rumors-trade-pick-2020-nba-draft/4/
#1 for #4 plus Lauri Markkanen is interesting. I might do another trade with Hornets Bulls#4 for Miles Bridges or with Hawks Bulls#4 for Deandre Hunter.

Dlo
Beasley
Bridges or Hunter
Markkanen
Towns

Easy pass on Markkanen. And no way do I trade #4 for Bridges or Hunter. Frankly, just keep #1 if this is what you get.

Yea i'd take Edwards with the #1 pick. Trade for Aaron Gordon. Then Use the MLE to sign Joe Harris/Jae Crowder and call it a day.

[shangrila]

So if I understand it correctly it's;

IND - #1, #28, Kyle Kuzma, James Johnson
ATL - Danny Green
MIN - Myles Turner, Doug McDermott
LAL - Victor Oladipo

Which is just...wow. I guess if you want to go twin towers Turner would be the guy. McDermott is a sniper too. It doesn't work financially so I'm guessing this is a sign and trade the picks situation, if Ball is making 10mil if would be enough to cover the returning salary when combined with Johnson's. I'd get a good chuckle out of Kuzma in Indiana. Guess it's not Orlando at least, ey Kyle? Would be curious to know what else is involved, as the guy says there's still minor details to work out. Maybe that involves Holiday like Klomp suggested? Or 2nds/future 1sts?

The more I look into Turner the more I'd probably pull the trigger on this trade. Assuming you think he can guard the perimeter then he's everything we want at a good price and a young age. Doug can help with floor spacing and isn't too old himself. I know people will be hesitant to trade out of the lottery and all the shiny potential there but it's hard to argue against Turner. He's might not be Simmons, Beal or Booker but he's definitely on that next tier. Hell, he even provides you some insurance if Towns decides he wants out.

I like Turner, but as you stated can he defend the perimeter? If not, I don't understand the move. Granted, the 24-year old does fit the timeline alongside Russell and Towns, and he's under control for the next three seasons at $18M per year. Has he even garnered an all-star appearance in his five years?

Also not sure why McDermott should be included? Is he simply to match salaries? He's an expiring contract next season at $7M. He can certainly shoot from the outside but, to my recollection, he's quite poor defensively.

I remember Pacers' fans arguing, with stats to back it, that the Sabonis-Turner pairing was effective. I can't seem to find it now and there's obviously a lot of variables when trying to project it to a Towns-Turner pairing (how do Sabonis and Towns compare defensively, for example) but it might be a situation where overall they're a net positive so it works out even if the defence isn't stellar. I don't care much about whether he's been an All Star; it's clear we're not getting that calibre of player by trading the #1 nor does that change the considerable impact he has on the game.

McDermott I'd agree is probably salary filler, but he hits 3s at a high rate and that's better than nothing.

[karch34]

https://dawindycity.com/2020/10/08/chicago-bulls-rumors-trade-pick-2020-nba-draft/4/
#1 for #4 plus Lauri Markkanen is interesting. I might do another trade with Hornets Bulls#4 for Miles Bridges or with Hawks Bulls#4 for Deandre Hunter.

Dlo
Beasley
Bridges or Hunter
Markkanen
Towns

I really like 1, Evan's, Spellmand for 4 and Markkanen. D has been better than I expected, seems Chicago hasn't used him right, and good shooter. At 4 take a defensive disrupter like Okongwu that could have offensive upside and we have interesting combo at 4. 3 and D like Green, Bey, or Williams at 17, and upside PG like Quickley at 33 and we have some nice depth and versatility.

KAT, JJ, Reid
Markannen, OO, Vanderbuilt
Layman, Green, Martin
Beasley, okogie, Culver
DLo, Jmac, Quickley

[_AIJ_]

When does trades officially start? After the finals or they have e a specific date?


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[Neeva]

https://dawindycity.com/2020/10/08/chicago-bulls-rumors-trade-pick-2020-nba-draft/4/
#1 for #4 plus Lauri Markkanen is interesting. I might do another trade with Hornets Bulls#4 for Miles Bridges or with Hawks Bulls#4 for Deandre Hunter.

Dlo
Beasley
Bridges or Hunter
Markkanen
Towns

I really like 1, Evan's, Spellmand for 4 and Markkanen. D has been better than I expected, seems Chicago hasn't used him right, and good shooter. At 4 take a defensive disrupter like Okongwu that could have offensive upside and we have interesting combo at 4. 3 and D like Green, Bey, or Williams at 17, and upside PG like Quickley at 33 and we have some nice depth and versatility.

KAT, JJ, Reid
Markannen, OO, Vanderbuilt
Layman, Green, Martin
Beasley, okogie, Culver
DLo, Jmac, Quickley

Would prefer a 2021 pick included as well because Markannen is injury plagued and will need a new contract.

If the Bulls get the top pick and choose Ball. It is very possible Wiseman could be available at 4. Warriors go with Avdija, Charlotte with Edwards.

[shangrila]

When does trades officially start? After the finals or they have e a specific date?


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I think they're still figuring out next season's financials. That was apparently the reason the draft was delayed, so everyone knew what the money was and they could plan their trades accordingly.

[minimus]

When does trades officially start? After the finals or they have e a specific date?


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I think they're still figuring out next season's financials. That was apparently the reason the draft was delayed, so everyone knew what the money was and they could plan their trades accordingly.

I wonder if low Finals ratings will affect numbers.