2017 Draft Thread

[alabamawolf]

Harry Giles is better off staying in school another year

But then again he could get hurt again and not get the guaranteed money

I think he would be absolutely crazy to take the kind of risk that comes with going back to school. The upside for his stock of him coming back healthy for another season at Duke just isn't good enough. His injury history will still come into question even if he plays a full season, and then he still has to show that he is worth a top pick over the likes of Ayton, Doncic and Porter. Lets say he can work himself into a top selection. What is he going to make and extra ~50% over the his rookie contract? I would rather take the guaranteed money over potentially, getting hurt again, getting selected even later, just on the upside of making a couple more million dollars over his rookie contract.

The difference between mid 1st round and Top 5 is over $15 million over the 4 year contract. If he comes back healthy and shakes off the rust he'll be picked that high without a doubt. He has a tough choice to make and there's no right or wrong answer


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[Mattya]

Harry Giles is better off staying in school another year

But then again he could get hurt again and not get the guaranteed money

I think he would be absolutely crazy to take the kind of risk that comes with going back to school. The upside for his stock of him coming back healthy for another season at Duke just isn't good enough. His injury history will still come into question even if he plays a full season, and then he still has to show that he is worth a top pick over the likes of Ayton, Doncic and Porter. Lets say he can work himself into a top selection. What is he going to make and extra ~50% over the his rookie contract? I would rather take the guaranteed money over potentially, getting hurt again, getting selected even later, just on the upside of making a couple more million dollars over his rookie contract.

The difference between mid 1st round and Top 5 is over $15 million over the 4 year contract. If he comes back healthy and shakes off the rust he'll be picked that high without a doubt. He has a tough choice to make and there's no right or wrong answer


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5th pick last year will make roughly 17,510,000

14th pick last year will make roughly 9,930,000

He won't get pick higher than a top 5 pick next year. Not a chance.

[alabamawolf]

I think he would be absolutely crazy to take the kind of risk that comes with going back to school. The upside for his stock of him coming back healthy for another season at Duke just isn't good enough. His injury history will still come into question even if he plays a full season, and then he still has to show that he is worth a top pick over the likes of Ayton, Doncic and Porter. Lets say he can work himself into a top selection. What is he going to make and extra ~50% over the his rookie contract? I would rather take the guaranteed money over potentially, getting hurt again, getting selected even later, just on the upside of making a couple more million dollars over his rookie contract.

The difference between mid 1st round and Top 5 is over $15 million over the 4 year contract. If he comes back healthy and shakes off the rust he'll be picked that high without a doubt. He has a tough choice to make and there's no right or wrong answer


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5th pick last year will make roughly 17,510,000

14th pick last year will make roughly 9,930,000

He won't get pick higher than a top 5 pick next year. Not a chance.

A healthy Giles is a franchise changing big man and Top 3 pick depending on team needs. Before his 2nd injury he was the elite prospect in this draft. He's playing right now without much confidence in himself or his body. If he were able to put a full season together and show teams that the injuries are behind then his draft stock would shoot back up. The safer route is to leave this season


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[Mattya]

The difference between mid 1st round and Top 5 is over $15 million over the 4 year contract. If he comes back healthy and shakes off the rust he'll be picked that high without a doubt. He has a tough choice to make and there's no right or wrong answer


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5th pick last year will make roughly 17,510,000

14th pick last year will make roughly 9,930,000

He won't get pick higher than a top 5 pick next year. Not a chance.

A healthy Giles is a franchise changing big man and Top 3 pick depending on team needs. Before his 2nd injury he was the elite prospect in this draft. He's playing right now without much confidence in himself or his body. If he were able to put a full season together and show teams that the injuries are behind then his draft stock would shoot back up. The safer route is to leave this season


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I know who Giles is. He was my #1 prospect in this draft. I know how long it takes for people to come back fully from injury, but even if healthy Ayton is easily a better prospect, Doncic, Porter and Bamba are all very very very good prospects as well. That is just the nature of how teams will view Giles until he can show he can be healthy and play at a high level for an extended period(more than one college season) of time he isn't going to be picked above similar prospects.

[Worm Guts]

The other risk for Giles is that he may never get back to what he was. If he looks like this again next year, he may not get drafted.

[firyGM]

Doncic is the best European prospect since Petrovic or Sabonis. Better than Pau Gasol, Marc, Ricky, Nowitzki, Porzinguis, etc. It would be a NBA star easy.

[Krapinsky]

I wish he was about 20 pounds heavier, but I think Jonathan Isaac is a near-perfect fit for this team's needs right now.

I think he's probably 3 years away from being a positive contributor at the NBA level. NIce prospect, but if this teams ever wants to make a jump we need some guys that can help guys win now.

People thought the same about Giannis

Giannis was a euro-prospect that did not have a lot of tape. But Giannis aside, people said the same thing about countless players and it turned out to be true, so I fail to see your point.

[Krapinsky]

I don't know if the Giannis comparison is helpful, but it does appear we are going to be choosing amongst a bunch of 19 year olds. You pretty much have to choose the one you think will be the best, because none are going to help you win in the first year or two.

I think there are a few guys that will have an immediate impact and certainly some are closer than others. The problem is if you take a prospect and don't give him the minutes to develop him, then he's less likely to reach his potential. For that reason I'd be inclined to shop the pick if its outside of the top 3.

[alabamawolf]

5th pick last year will make roughly 17,510,000

14th pick last year will make roughly 9,930,000

He won't get pick higher than a top 5 pick next year. Not a chance.

A healthy Giles is a franchise changing big man and Top 3 pick depending on team needs. Before his 2nd injury he was the elite prospect in this draft. He's playing right now without much confidence in himself or his body. If he were able to put a full season together and show teams that the injuries are behind then his draft stock would shoot back up. The safer route is to leave this season


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I know who Giles is. He was my #1 prospect in this draft. I know how long it takes for people to come back fully from injury, but even if healthy Ayton is easily a better prospect, Doncic, Porter and Bamba are all very very very good prospects as well. That is just the nature of how teams will view Giles until he can show he can be healthy and play at a high level for an extended period(more than one college season) of time he isn't going to be picked above similar prospects.

A healthy and dominant season would absolutely shoot him back up draft boards, which is what he would be gambling on. Ayton is a great prospect but these kids still haven't been to their senior prom yet and a lot can change in a year. Little early to say they all would go above a healthy Giles. I assume that Giles will leave early but he's not ready for the NBA


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[Mattya]

A healthy Giles is a franchise changing big man and Top 3 pick depending on team needs. Before his 2nd injury he was the elite prospect in this draft. He's playing right now without much confidence in himself or his body. If he were able to put a full season together and show teams that the injuries are behind then his draft stock would shoot back up. The safer route is to leave this season


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I know who Giles is. He was my #1 prospect in this draft. I know how long it takes for people to come back fully from injury, but even if healthy Ayton is easily a better prospect, Doncic, Porter and Bamba are all very very very good prospects as well. That is just the nature of how teams will view Giles until he can show he can be healthy and play at a high level for an extended period(more than one college season) of time he isn't going to be picked above similar prospects.

A healthy and dominant season would absolutely shoot him back up draft boards, which is what he would be gambling on. Ayton is a great prospect but these kids still haven't been to their senior prom yet and a lot can change in a year. Little early to say they all would go above a healthy Giles. I assume that Giles will leave early but he's not ready for the NBA


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People know Giles is talented, the only question is his durability. He needs to show he can stay healthy for a prolonged amount of time. A single college season at a high level of play isn't going to answer the question if his knees can stand the test of time. He hasn't done that so far. When similar or higher level prospects are coming out with no injury history those guys are going to have better stock. There is a reason Giles stock is as low as it is right now. It is unfortunate for Giles because I can't see him playing enough games to prove that he can stay healthy after missing so much time and needing time to recover. But it is a significantly safer option for him is to come out this year even if he is getting paid slightly less.

[Worm Guts]

Ball with some cold-blooded shooting against Oregon.

[No-Man]

Isaac would be **** perfect for what this team needs, Thibs needs to do whatever it takes to get him, I expect your pick to be somewhere in the 7-10 range and that's likely not enough, hopefully you can move up using some assets for him, I think Isaac might go anywhere between 4 and 7.

[Worm Guts]

I don't know that we can or should trade up in the draft. The only way I can see it happening is if we're able to use one of our PG's to do it.

[Killboard]

Tj Leaf isnt that far from what Isaac brings to the table. He has lower blk and stl %, but he rebounds just a little lower, and his shooting numbers and assist% are much better. I understand that like he hasnt the same physical tools, but has better BBIQ and intangibles. I think he will rise to the lottery (DX currently has him going 24th).

[Worm Guts]

Tj Leaf isnt that far from what Isaac brings to the table. He has lower blk and stl %, but he rebounds just a little lower, and his shooting numbers and assist% are much better. I understand that like he hasnt the same physical tools, but has better BBIQ and intangibles. I think he will rise to the lottery (DX currently has him going 24th).

One of the things that Isaac would be able to bring is the ability to guard multiple positions, I don't think Leaf has that. And if you're willing to look at Leaf, I think you have to consider Markkanen before that.

[Killboard]

Tj Leaf isnt that far from what Isaac brings to the table. He has lower blk and stl %, but he rebounds just a little lower, and his shooting numbers and assist% are much better. I understand that like he hasnt the same physical tools, but has better BBIQ and intangibles. I think he will rise to the lottery (DX currently has him going 24th).

One of the things that Isaac would be able to bring is the ability to guard multiple positions, I don't think Leaf has that. And if you're willing to look at Leaf, I think you have to consider Markkanen before that.

Isaac would be better if we are playing him at the 3, but if you want a stretch 4, the differences are reduced. Lauri is a great shooter, no doubt, but his struggles on D so bad. His stl and blk per100 are 1.5 combined, Leaf is 3.1. Also, leaf has the double AST%, which is a pretty big deal when you have scorers like Lavine, Wiggins and Towns. We dont really need someone who makes 20 PPG, but someone who can be a good playmaker to the other guys and hit the open 3.

Also, UCLA is 1 point better per 100 on D when leaf is on the court, which isnt much, but Arizona is 2.4 better on D when Lauri is off the court. Im not saying that we shouldnt consider Lauri, but he would fit with the high scoring/low everything else, which isnt good.

[Mattya]

Tj Leaf isnt that far from what Isaac brings to the table. He has lower blk and stl %, but he rebounds just a little lower, and his shooting numbers and assist% are much better. I understand that like he hasnt the same physical tools, but has better BBIQ and intangibles. I think he will rise to the lottery (DX currently has him going 24th).

One of the things that Isaac would be able to bring is the ability to guard multiple positions, I don't think Leaf has that. And if you're willing to look at Leaf, I think you have to consider Markkanen before that.

Isaac would be better if we are playing him at the 3, but if you want a stretch 4, the differences are reduced. Lauri is a great shooter, no doubt, but his struggles on D so bad. His stl and blk per100 are 1.5 combined, Leaf is 3.1. Also, leaf has the double AST%, which is a pretty big deal when you have scorers like Lavine, Wiggins and Towns. We dont really need someone who makes 20 PPG, but someone who can be a good playmaker to the other guys and hit the open 3.

Also, UCLA is 1 point better per 100 on D when leaf is on the court, which isnt much, but Arizona is 2.4 better on D when Lauri is off the court. Im not saying that we shouldnt consider Lauri, but he would fit with the high scoring/low everything else, which isnt good.

Isaac should be used at SF and PF. Him being able to defend stretch PFs and be able to switch could give us a huge boost.

That extra length and those much higher block and steal numbers give you a good story on the amount of deflections he could cause compared to Leaf or Markkanen. Give me the high potential player who could have an impact on both sides of the ball.

[slinky]

Not sure if mentioned in other posts in this thread, but I think we also need to consider the CBA change that allow '2 way' contracts for the final roster spots and the new D league team MIN will have when considering the draft eligibility. I would absolutely not shy away from taking Giles(or any other project), if i know I can stash him in D league for the year while he gets up to speed physically.

My hope is Wolves can get away from mentality of needing to rely on whoever they draft. Even the high picks...I would not shy away from taking a PG prospect if I think he will be better than Rubio/Dunn/Jones in future. i take him, and put in D-league for a year, while working out what to do with the 'glut'.

With the cap space to round out the roster/bench to fill immediate needs, and the d-league team to better influence development...i am more willing than ever to draft on potential and rawness. As a singular example, maybe this type of setup has Flip taking Giannis over Shabazz.

[Klomp]

Not sure if mentioned in other posts in this thread, but I think we also need to consider the CBA change that allow '2 way' contracts for the final roster spots and the new D league team MIN will have when considering the draft eligibility. I would absolutely not shy away from taking Giles(or any other project), if i know I can stash him in D league for the year while he gets up to speed physically.

My hope is Wolves can get away from mentality of needing to rely on whoever they draft. Even the high picks...I would not shy away from taking a PG prospect if I think he will be better than Rubio/Dunn/Jones in future. i take him, and put in D-league for a year, while working out what to do with the 'glut'.

With the cap space to round out the roster/bench to fill immediate needs, and the d-league team to better influence development...i am more willing than ever to draft on potential and rawness. As a singular example, maybe this type of setup has Flip taking Giannis over Shabazz.

Two-way contracts probably won't be given to top picks. It's more for fringe players.

[Killboard]

One of the things that Isaac would be able to bring is the ability to guard multiple positions, I don't think Leaf has that. And if you're willing to look at Leaf, I think you have to consider Markkanen before that.

Isaac would be better if we are playing him at the 3, but if you want a stretch 4, the differences are reduced. Lauri is a great shooter, no doubt, but his struggles on D so bad. His stl and blk per100 are 1.5 combined, Leaf is 3.1. Also, leaf has the double AST%, which is a pretty big deal when you have scorers like Lavine, Wiggins and Towns. We dont really need someone who makes 20 PPG, but someone who can be a good playmaker to the other guys and hit the open 3.

Also, UCLA is 1 point better per 100 on D when leaf is on the court, which isnt much, but Arizona is 2.4 better on D when Lauri is off the court. Im not saying that we shouldnt consider Lauri, but he would fit with the high scoring/low everything else, which isnt good.

Isaac should be used at SF and PF. Him being able to defend stretch PFs and be able to switch could give us a huge boost.

That extra length and those much higher block and steal numbers give you a good story on the amount of deflections he could cause compared to Leaf or Markkanen. Give me the high potential player who could have an impact on both sides of the ball.

I dont want to make a case to choose Leaf over Isaac, just that I think leaf has a very well rounded game having decent size, defensive numbers, 3t shooting and passing game for a PF prospect. There is little to no chance to pick Isaac if we fall outside the top5(I think someone will pick him over Tatum). Thats when I would start to consider Leaf.