Jimmy Butler Traded to Philadelphia (Discussion Continued)

[KGdaBom]

Oh I get it, trust me. Jimmy Butler isn't a car and you didn't trade for him to get a year of his service. He's also in his prime so the car example is extremely poor. That trade was made with the hope to retain his services for the long-term. You don't give up multiple lottery picks (players) to play someone for a year. Or maybe you do, and that's why you're the Timberwolves *shrug*. I genuinely feel bad for ya'll, Jimmy Butler is a Grade-A piece of **** and you got screwed because of it.

RoCo and Saric are superb. Saric and Markkanen play the same position. Give me Saric. RoCo an all NBA defender vs LaVine a gifted offensive player who plays matador D. Give me RoCo.

So you take Clint Capela over Towns as well? No team would trade Markkanen/LaVine/Dunn for Covington/Saric/2nd rounder. Minnesota is no where near good enough to argue fit either.

Capela and Towns has nothing to do with Covington/LaVine. My preferences are Towns and Covington. Guess what? Those are who the Wolves will have now.

[_AIJ_]

Don't like this deal for the Wolves.
If we had two legit stars already and we were (to some extent) competing the return would be ok.

The PROS:
- the saga has come to an end
- Saric and RoCo are a good fit age wise
- both are useful players on good value contracts
- Wiggins switched back to SG

The CONS:
- not sure how the fit is, especially defensively. RoCo is a good defender while Saric isn't. Is he going to replace Taj short term and mid term?
- Starting 5 would only have one good defender.
- Saric might be expensive in 1,5 years
- no FR picks coming back, extremely short sighted move
- loss of Patton could haunt us big time eventually (we could have resigned Patton for the minimum instead)

Which of the reported deals were you in favor of?


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Assuming low protections on the multiple FRP I was clearly in favor of the HOU deal and build around Towns, Okogie and the FRPs.
The lack of midterm strategy and vision is what really p***** me off with Thibs as GM. I'm ready to eat crow if all of the sudden the team turns it around and starts playing winning basketball again, but at this point a highly doubt it.

But those FRPs would be late picks though, that means another bunch of projects. Tank this year then compete next year.


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[WindyCityBorn]

RoCo and Saric are superb. Saric and Markkanen play the same position. Give me Saric. RoCo an all NBA defender vs LaVine a gifted offensive player who plays matador D. Give me RoCo.

So you take Clint Capela over Towns as well? No team would trade Markkanen/LaVine/Dunn for Covington/Saric/2nd rounder. Minnesota is no where near good enough to argue fit either.

Capela and Towns has nothing to do with Covington/LaVine. My preferences are Towns and Covington. Guess what? Those are who the Wolves will have now.

What kind of defense do you expect from a Towns/Saric pairing? It's awful on paper. Just curious because defense seems to be of the most importance to you.

[KGdaBom]

So you take Clint Capela over Towns as well? No team would trade Markkanen/LaVine/Dunn for Covington/Saric/2nd rounder. Minnesota is no where near good enough to argue fit either.

Capela and Towns has nothing to do with Covington/LaVine. My preferences are Towns and Covington. Guess what? Those are who the Wolves will have now.

What kind of defense do you expect from a Towns/Saric pairing? It's awful on paper. Just curious because defense seems to be of the most importance to you.

Towns is getting better on Defense every day. Saric I'm not sure about his D. I hear it's below average. However, a Wiggins/Lavine pairing on the wings would give up 140 PPG. Covington offsetting Wiggins D will at least be average at the wings.

[SmokeyPaw]

Pelton gave Sixers a C- and Wolves a B.

[Neeva]

First I was upset at no frp but now I am like whatever at least it’s done.
Saric and covington don’t make us a serious playoff contender unfortunately what they might do is win us enough games (if their shooting gets hot) to make our lottery pick worse in a draft that features that most famous/marketable/athletic/intriguing prospect since Bron:/

[thinktank]

2022 is the year that the NBA may allow players to go directly to the draft, so consider that a double draft, with twice the prospects. Moreover, this pick is the higher of DEN or PHI

Consider this 2022 to be about the 20th pick in a traditional draft. That’s good value.

How many high schoolers do you think will get drafted? Surely not 30.

[_AIJ_]

And who needs Butler? We have D-Rose!


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[_AIJ_]

First I was upset at no frp but now I am like whatever at least it’s done.
Saric and covington don’t make us a serious playoff contender unfortunately what they might do is win us enough games (if their shooting gets hot) to make our lottery pick worse in a draft that features that most famous/marketable/athletic/intriguing prospect since Bron:/

You dont expect the Wolves to be one of the worst teams this season do you? Williamson i believe is a top 5 pick which i doubt the Wolves will be in.


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[wco81]

Really is going to depend on KAT and Wiggins raising their game, now that they're clearly the top two scoring options.

But I'm not sure Thibs is the coach who would unlock their offensive potential. Are there good assistants on the staff working with them?

Because Thibs hasn't made KAT a big rim protector or get Wiggins to improve on defense with his freak athleticism.

[Neeva]

Sure do, the wolves only decent win thus far are the pacers and nuggets at home, they got killed by every decent team they have faced the lakers suck.

First I was upset at no frp but now I am like whatever at least it’s done.
Saric and covington don’t make us a serious playoff contender unfortunately what they might do is win us enough games (if their shooting gets hot) to make our lottery pick worse in a draft that features that most famous/marketable/athletic/intriguing prospect since Bron:/

You dont expect the Wolves to be one of the worst teams this season do you? Williamson i believe is a top 5 pick which i doubt the Wolves will be in.


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[WindyCityBorn]

Capela and Towns has nothing to do with Covington/LaVine. My preferences are Towns and Covington. Guess what? Those are who the Wolves will have now.

What kind of defense do you expect from a Towns/Saric pairing? It's awful on paper. Just curious because defense seems to be of the most importance to you.

Towns is getting better on Defense every day. Saric I'm not sure about his D. I hear it's below average. However, a Wiggins/Lavine pairing on the wings would give up 140 PPG. Covington offsetting Wiggins D will at least be average at the wings.

Fair enough. I think the Bulls will be looking to pair LaVine with a good defense SF as well. I'm eyeing Barrett or more more realistically Reddish. Maybe if our 1st riuneer Hutchinson if he learns how to shoot. Carter looks like a future DPOY candidate that pairs great with Markkanen. Still not sold on Dunn completely. Will Minnesota be tanking now? We don't need more competition in the draft.

Off-topic, but I'm happy to see Rose finding success with your team.

[KGdaBom]

What kind of defense do you expect from a Towns/Saric pairing? It's awful on paper. Just curious because defense seems to be of the most importance to you.

Towns is getting better on Defense every day. Saric I'm not sure about his D. I hear it's below average. However, a Wiggins/Lavine pairing on the wings would give up 140 PPG. Covington offsetting Wiggins D will at least be average at the wings.

Fair enough. I think the Bulls will be looking to pair LaVine with a good defense SF as well. I'm eyeing Barrett or more more realistically Reddish. Maybe if our 1st riuneer Hutchinson if he learns how to shoot. Carter looks like a future DPOY candidate that pairs great with Markkanen. Still not sold on Dunn completely. Will Minnesota be tanking now? We don't need more competition in the draft.

Off-topic, but I'm happy to see Rose finding success with your team.

If we wanted to tank we would have taken the Houston offer. I don't think you have to worry about us tanking. However, it will take time to get everybody on the same page. I think we will do a lot of losing this year.

[gandlogo]

2022 is the year that the NBA may allow players to go directly to the draft, so consider that a double draft, with twice the prospects. Moreover, this pick is the higher of DEN or PHI

Consider this 2022 to be about the 20th pick in a traditional draft. That’s good value.

How many high schoolers do you think will get drafted? Surely not 30.

I have no idea how many will come out, but shrink brings up an interesting point. And it will only happen in that draft class because the high schoolers and the one-and-done players all will be in the same draft. Theoretically foreign players (not the very top ones) may declare at a lower rate because of this and mitigate the impact.

[KGdaBom]

Really is going to depend on KAT and Wiggins raising their game, now that they're clearly the top two scoring options.

But I'm not sure Thibs is the coach who would unlock their offensive potential. Are there good assistants on the staff working with them?

Because Thibs hasn't made KAT a big rim protector or get Wiggins to improve on defense with his freak athleticism.

Thibs is the coach who unlocked Wiggins scoring potential to 23 PPG and didn't he have KAT at 25 the year before last.

[Freakyman]

Guys you won trade.You steal the heel out of Philly.You get 1st team all defensive player and a guys who was the best player of Sixers in the playoffs last season and arguably the heart and soul of the whole team.

[Wolves21]

I am assuming the Wolves will probably make another trade to balance out the roster,but as of right now I would say going forward it would be something like this.

Teague/Rose
Wiggins/Okogie
Covington/Tolliver
Saric/Gibson
Towns/Dieng

Again ideally for me both Rose and Okogie would start and Wiggins would come off the bench as a super 6th man.I think Covington & Okogie could make up one of the best if not the best defensive 2/3's combos in the league and really help out the defense on this team going forward paired up.

[Neeva]

I see what you mean but you know what’s better than a second round pick in that particular draft, a first one .

2022 is the year that the NBA may allow players to go directly to the draft, so consider that a double draft, with twice the prospects. Moreover, this pick is the higher of DEN or PHI

Consider this 2022 to be about the 20th pick in a traditional draft. That’s good value.

How many high schoolers do you think will get drafted? Surely not 30.

I have no idea how many will come out, but shrink brings up an interesting point. And it will only happen in that draft class because the high schoolers and the one-and-done players all will be in the same draft. Theoretically foreign players (not the very top ones) may declare at a lower rate because of this and mitigate the impact.

[taikibansei]

I think this trade is potentially good for both teams. Unlike Covington and Saric, Butler hits his shots at a good percentage even as the #1 option facing the opposition's best defenders. He also rebounds, passes, plays very good defense, and likes challenges. Covington and Saric have their strengths too...but neither are the complete package.

For the Twolves, they get two excellent role players who potentially will fit in very nicely. Covington provides good 3-point shooting and strong defense--he will work well with both Towns and Wiggins. Saric, while neither a particularly good defender nor a 3-point sharp shooter, can give you some offense, can pass and can rebound--he will complement Towns well, I think. In combination, they make up for Butler's contributions...on paper.

Wiggins is the key. If he can become the player he has the potential to be--and the player he is being paid to be--the Twolves will be a lot better after this trade. If not...it's going to be another lottery-bound season for the Twolves.

[Neeva]

If the key is wiggins having to take the next step forget it!!! Lol lottery bound for sure but I am perfectly fine with that, this is the year to tank. It’s what’s best for the franchise in the long run.

I think this trade is potentially good for both teams. Unlike Covington and Saric, Butler hits his shots at a good percentage even as the #1 option facing the opposition's best defenders. He also rebounds, passes, plays very good defense, and likes challenges. Covington and Saric have their strengths too...but neither are the complete package.

For the Twolves, they get two excellent role players who potentially will fit in very nicely. Covington provides good 3-point shooting and strong defense--he will work well with both Towns and Wiggins. Saric, while neither a particularly good defender nor a 3-point sharp shooter, can give you some offense, can pass and can rebound--he will complement Towns well, I think. In combination, they make up for Butler's contributions...on paper.

Wiggins is the key. If he can become the player he has the potential to be--and the player he is being paid to be--the Twolves will be a lot better after this trade. If not...it's going to be another lottery-bound season for the Twolves.