2020 NBA Draft prospects

KGdaBom · Post #181 » by **KGdaBom** » Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:01 pm

Daniel Oturu U of Minn sophomore is a top 20 finalist for the Wooden award. Would be a good choice with the Brooklyn pick.

jpatrick · Post #182 » by **jpatrick** » Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:10 pm

KGdaBom wrote:Daniel Oturu U of Minn sophomore is a top 20 finalist for the Wooden award. Would be a good choice with the Brooklyn pick.

Center is the least valuable position in the NBA. Love Oturu as a Gopher. Wish he’d stay another year. He’s probably a late first round pick and career backup center in the NBA. Wouldn’t take him at 15-16.

Why do we think Wiseman is great? He essentially took money from his coach, causing his suspension. Then, just as he’s reinstated, he says he’s sitting out the rest of the year. He played three games of which only one was against a legit team. He put up counting stats but, again, against bad competition and only had one assist total. He wasn’t a consensus #1 type pick coming into the year and doesn’t seem like a guy you run your offense through. Plus, he’s been tagged with the questionable motor tag throughout his career.

I’m not saying he shouldn’t be the #1 pick, but he isn’t in a Zion-like tier above everyone else. Just a poor draft at the top unfortunately.

Post #183 » by **Worm Guts** » Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:25 pm

NBAdraft.net has Oturu at 8. I wouldn't draft him as long as we're planning on building around Towns, but I do think he could easily go in the lottery.

Wiseman seems like a dominant physical specimen to me, although I do think you have to think hard about drafting anyone who doesn't shoot 3's at a high level in the current NBA.

mplsfonz23 · Post #184 » by **mplsfonz23** » Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:27 pm

KGdaBom wrote:Daniel Oturu U of Minn sophomore is a top 20 finalist for the Wooden award. Would be a good choice with the Brooklyn pick.

Move KAT to PF? DO doesn't have an outside shot. He may be good, but I would like to take a look at Amar Sylla. He would be a good player to stash for a year. He's a project, but he looks like he could be a very good player down the road.

Mattya · Post #185 » by **Mattya** » Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:29 pm

jpatrick wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Daniel Oturu U of Minn sophomore is a top 20 finalist for the Wooden award. Would be a good choice with the Brooklyn pick.

Center is the least valuable position in the NBA. Love Oturu as a Gopher. Wish he’d stay another year. He’s probably a late first round pick and career backup center in the NBA. Wouldn’t take him at 15-16.

Why do we think Wiseman is great? He essentially took money from his coach, causing his suspension. Then, just as he’s reinstated, he says he’s sitting out the rest of the year. He played three games of which only one was against a legit team. He put up counting stats but, again, against bad competition and only had one assist total. He wasn’t a consensus #1 type pick coming into the year and doesn’t seem like a guy you run your offense through. Plus, he’s been tagged with the questionable motor tag throughout his career.

I’m not saying he shouldn’t be the #1 pick, but he isn’t in a Zion-like tier above everyone else. Just a poor draft at the top unfortunately.

His family took around $10k from Hardaway like 3 years ago before Hardaway was even the Memphis coach. I'm not going to hold that against Wiseman especially considering he was 15/16 at the time and likely had little input on what his family was willing to do.

There are criticisms to be made about him but that bolded comment is a little misleading.

jpatrick · Post #186 » by **jpatrick** » Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:35 pm

I didn’t mean that as a knock, just laying the groundwork that he essentially was suspended. Appealed the suspension, allowing him to play three games against mediocre competition before his suspension was upheld. Then, just as suspension was ending, he essentially quit on the team and said he’s just going to workout for the draft.

Is he an Embiid where he can be a dominant two way big that you run your offense through or is he an Ayton? A player that will put up counting stats in a pro type body but doesn’t really effect winning on either side of the court, as he isn’t great at D or someone to run an offense through. I haven’t seen a lot of Wiseman but I don’t think he’s shown a lot. However, honestly, no one in the draft class has.

mplsfonz23 · Post #187 » by **mplsfonz23** » Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:40 pm

Worm Guts wrote:NBAdraft.net has Oturu at 8. I wouldn't draft him as long as we're planning on building around Towns, but I do think he could easily go in the lottery.

Wiseman seems like a dominant physical specimen to me, although I do think you have to think hard about drafting anyone who doesn't shoot 3's at a high level in the current NBA.

Wiseman can't shoot.

He seems like he would be a DeAndre Jordan type player. If he gets a good P&R PG he can have a great career. Anything less, he's going to struggle.

Post #188 » by **Worm Guts** » Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:42 pm

Being Ayton on offense is fine, but it's probably only worth the top pick if it's accompanied by high level defense.

Norseman79 · Post #189 » by **Norseman79** » Thu Feb 6, 2020 4:46 pm

Wiseman's free throw percentage being at or around 70% with form that is obviously not broken indicates to me that he may well develop a shot. I cannot speak to his motor/work ethic...and honestly, I am tired of drafting lazy babies, or non-alpha players. So, as much as I love Wiseman from a video game sense, if he isn't alpha, don't waste the pick.

KGdaBom · Post #190 » by **KGdaBom** » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:07 pm

jpatrick wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Daniel Oturu U of Minn sophomore is a top 20 finalist for the Wooden award. Would be a good choice with the Brooklyn pick.

Center is the least valuable position in the NBA. Love Oturu as a Gopher. Wish he’d stay another year. He’s probably a late first round pick and career backup center in the NBA. Wouldn’t take him at 15-16.

Why do we think Wiseman is great? He essentially took money from his coach, causing his suspension. Then, just as he’s reinstated, he says he’s sitting out the rest of the year. He played three games of which only one was against a legit team. He put up counting stats but, again, against bad competition and only had one assist total. He wasn’t a consensus #1 type pick coming into the year and doesn’t seem like a guy you run your offense through. Plus, he’s been tagged with the questionable motor tag throughout his career.

I’m not saying he shouldn’t be the #1 pick, but he isn’t in a Zion-like tier above everyone else. Just a poor draft at the top unfortunately.

Oturu wouldn't play the Center position. He would play the Beast position. We haven't had one of those since Pekovic was forced into early retirement. Also his outside shooting is starting to look solid.

KGdaBom · Post #191 » by **KGdaBom** » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:11 pm

Worm Guts wrote:NBAdraft.net has Oturu at 8. I wouldn't draft him as long as we're planning on building around Towns, but I do think he could easily go in the lottery.

Wiseman seems like a dominant physical specimen to me, although I do think you have to think hard about drafting anyone who doesn't shoot 3's at a high level in the current NBA.

I am aware of his Draft.net ranking but everywhere else has him around 15 to 30. I think he could beast while Towns is doing the more highly skilled stuff like shooting 3s.

Post #192 » by **Klomp** » Thu Feb 6, 2020 7:06 pm

Outlook has completely changed going forward. Find complementary players. Toppin, Okoro continue to be a couple of my favorites.

Norseman79 · Post #193 » by **Norseman79** » Thu Feb 6, 2020 7:10 pm

Completely agree with Klomp.... the people you mentioned, and with the point you made. Like McDaniels, Toppin, Avdija, Okoro, Green

jpatrick · Post #194 » by **jpatrick** » Thu Feb 6, 2020 7:10 pm

I will need to watch some Okoro, who ESPN has moved up to #4 in their rankings. I think the dream now is Anthony Edwards I guess? Will need to watch him as well. Putting up numbers but not efficiently.

Norseman79 · Post #195 » by **Norseman79** » Thu Feb 6, 2020 7:12 pm

Precious Achiuwa just got a lot more interesting with the Nets pick as well.

minimus · Post #196 » by **minimus** » Thu Feb 6, 2020 7:32 pm

Klomp wrote:Outlook has completely changed going forward. Find complementary players. Toppin, Okoro continue to be a couple of my favorites.

I'm completely confused who should we draft... But... Call me crazy, but I would draft another wing. In ideal case Haliburton and Jaden McDaniels.

Mattya · Post #197 » by **Mattya** » Fri Feb 7, 2020 1:35 am

Avdija and Achiuwa or Toppin and Okoro would be very nice. Then draft a PG like Markus Howard with our second rounder to develop.

thinktank · Post #198 » by **thinktank** » Fri Feb 7, 2020 1:41 am

Mattya wrote:Avdija and Achiuwa or Toppin and Okoro would be very nice. Then draft a PG like Markus Howard with our second rounder to develop.

We should have #15 or so too, right?

Mattya · Post #199 » by **Mattya** » Fri Feb 7, 2020 1:43 am

thinktank wrote:
Mattya wrote:Avdija and Achiuwa or Toppin and Okoro would be very nice. Then draft a PG like Markus Howard with our second rounder to develop.

We should have #15 or so too, right?

Brooklyn pick is lotto protected so yea at best it will be #15.

Post #200 » by **Mamba4Goat** » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:23 am

Klomp wrote:Outlook has completely changed going forward. Find complementary players. Toppin, Okoro continue to be a couple of my favorites.

I don't know about that...BPA may still be the way to go.