Around the NBA (Part Two)

[Colbinii]

I'm of the opinion that Klay is a net negative on that contract.

How so? You should go look at players with Klay's skill-set and what they are paid. 18 PPG on his incredible 3P Volume and relatively "low" on-ball usage is incredibly valuable.

At 30+ Million AAV he is a negative, but something like 15-20 Million AAV is right in line with his value as a player.

It's my opinion. We will see how he does this year.

What are you basing your opinion off of?

I think you can get to a logical conclusion about player pay by using the following.

1) Production
2) Other Player(s) and their salaries
3) Skill-Set and Cost for skill-set

I think if you said "Klay at 3/50 is an overpay" really means that you think half the NBA is overpaid, and I don't think you can really form a strong opinion without being called out for the opinion being poor/lacking truth/lacking evidence/lacking logic.

You are entitled to your opinion, but you are also entitled to receive criticism for your opinion.

"I think only the wealthy should go to school" is an opinion but doesn't really make sense.

[KGdaBom]

How so? You should go look at players with Klay's skill-set and what they are paid. 18 PPG on his incredible 3P Volume and relatively "low" on-ball usage is incredibly valuable.

At 30+ Million AAV he is a negative, but something like 15-20 Million AAV is right in line with his value as a player.

It's my opinion. We will see how he does this year.

What are you basing your opinion off of?

I think you can get to a logical conclusion about player pay by using the following.

1) Production
2) Other Player(s) and their salaries
3) Skill-Set and Cost for skill-set

I think if you said "Klay at 3/50 is an overpay" really means that you think half the NBA is overpaid, and I don't think you can really form a strong opinion without being called out for the opinion being poor/lacking truth/lacking evidence/lacking logic.

You are entitled to your opinion, but you are also entitled to receive criticism for your opinion.

"I think only the wealthy should go to school" is an opinion but doesn't really make sense.

My opinion is based on my belief his play is falling off a cliff this year. It started last year.

[Colbinii]

It's my opinion. We will see how he does this year.

What are you basing your opinion off of?

I think you can get to a logical conclusion about player pay by using the following.

1) Production
2) Other Player(s) and their salaries
3) Skill-Set and Cost for skill-set

I think if you said "Klay at 3/50 is an overpay" really means that you think half the NBA is overpaid, and I don't think you can really form a strong opinion without being called out for the opinion being poor/lacking truth/lacking evidence/lacking logic.

You are entitled to your opinion, but you are also entitled to receive criticism for your opinion.

"I think only the wealthy should go to school" is an opinion but doesn't really make sense.

My opinion is based on my belief his play is falling off a cliff this year. It started last year.

No it didn't.

Post-ASB Klay put up 19/3/2.5 on 41% 3P on 9.4 3PA/G.

If anything, Klay was getting BETTER as the season went on.

[KGdaBom]

What are you basing your opinion off of?

I think you can get to a logical conclusion about player pay by using the following.

1) Production
2) Other Player(s) and their salaries
3) Skill-Set and Cost for skill-set

I think if you said "Klay at 3/50 is an overpay" really means that you think half the NBA is overpaid, and I don't think you can really form a strong opinion without being called out for the opinion being poor/lacking truth/lacking evidence/lacking logic.

You are entitled to your opinion, but you are also entitled to receive criticism for your opinion.

"I think only the wealthy should go to school" is an opinion but doesn't really make sense.

My opinion is based on my belief his play is falling off a cliff this year. It started last year.

No it didn't.

Post-ASB Klay put up 19/3/2.5 on 41% 3P on 9.4 3PA/G.

If anything, Klay was getting BETTER as the season went on.

Your opinion. He no longer plays any D. Stick a fork in him. He's cooked.

[Klomp]

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[Colbinii]

My opinion is based on my belief his play is falling off a cliff this year. It started last year.

No it didn't.

Post-ASB Klay put up 19/3/2.5 on 41% 3P on 9.4 3PA/G.

If anything, Klay was getting BETTER as the season went on.

Your opinion. He no longer plays any D. Stick a fork in him. He's cooked.

My opinion, based on fact.

Your opinion, based on emotional intelligence.

[Calinks]

I don't know about Klay Thompson to the Mavs. I used to think he would bounce back but now... I lost faith. I don't know if they improved this off-season. I suppose guys like Lively can definitely take a leap though.

[KGdaBom]

No it didn't.

Post-ASB Klay put up 19/3/2.5 on 41% 3P on 9.4 3PA/G.

If anything, Klay was getting BETTER as the season went on.

Your opinion. He no longer plays any D. Stick a fork in him. He's cooked.

My opinion, based on fact.

Your opinion, based on emotional intelligence.

You posted some Post ASG scoring stats. I wouldn't call them to be facts about him being good. I based mine on watching him play and him not even being worth a spot on my fantasy team. Move along. He's not the droid we're looking for.

[frankenwolf]

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The true winners of this trade

Minnesota, OKC, Denver, Memphis, LAC, LAL, the Suns, and basically everyone but Dallas.

LOL what.

They added a backup shooting guard who's a sniper who was the #2 option in GS. In DAL, he's option #4.

Their lineup is still the same.

They were paying Hardaway Jr the same amount. They upgraded from Hardaway to Klay.

They swapped Jones for Marshall. They are slightly better. Not sure what you are talking about.

IDK Note, Klay has not been the same "2nd splash brother" in a while. Klay is two years older than Hardaway and has an injury history. I think it will backfire on Dallas, but I am just WAY on the outside looking at them.

[younggunsmn]

Have to side with KG here.
Klay was never a player who was a plus contributor in other areas like defense, rebounding, playmaking.
Now that he doesn't move as well post injuries and he's not a plus plus plus shooter and scorer anymore, he's a pretty average player.
Dallas also runs an ISO and PNR heavy offense where Klay is going to be relegated to mostly spot up shooting.
They don't run any of the off ball movement stuff the Klay excelled at pre injury with the Warriors.
Is going from DJJ @37% 3 point shooting to say 40% with Klay worth the dropoff in defense and rebounding?

Mavericks are going to miss DJJ and his defense and Klay and Luka is a pretty abysmal defensive pairing.
You can only hide one of them if you're lucky.
The Mavericks made the finals on their defense and some out of their minds scoring and playmaking from Luka and Kyrie.
They upgraded their offense, but their defense is going to take a step back.

You have to wonder what the incentive is from GSW perspective.
They can create a big TPE, but don't have any draft assets to attach to get anything nice with it.
Trade isn't done yet from GSW perspective, we will see how it works out.

Dallas gave up Josh Green, Hardaway, and Jones Jr and are replacing them with more expensive players in Klay and Naji Marshall.
IMHO they will be lucky if that tradeoff is a wash in terms of winning.

[minimus]

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[jpatrick]

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Would Lauri’s upcoming max extension be cheaper than KAT’s max extension?

The only way this is possible would be a KAT deal to a third team that sends assets to Utah. And I think most teams would just cut us out in such a deal and take the younger/cheaper player.

This sounds more like Utah throwing out teams to drive up the price as much as anything.

[minimus]

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Would Lauri’s upcoming max extension be cheaper than KAT’s max extension?

The only way this is possible would be a KAT deal to a third team that sends assets to Utah. And I think most teams would just cut us out in such a deal and take the younger/cheaper player.

This sounds more like Utah throwing out teams to drive up the price as much as anything.

Not sure but I guess it will be similar OG Anunoby extension around 35-42 mil per year.

[Neeva]

Oh here we go!!

[jpatrick]

And for the record, I’d love a Lauri for KAT swap. If we could also get Kessler back, even better. We originally drafted both Lauri and Kessler, let’s bring them home.

[Mattya]

How much money would this open up if we only got Markkanen back

[Klomp]

How much money would this open up if we only got Markkanen back

"Open up" in cap space? None.
"Open up" in terms of flexibility? Quite a bit.

Towns makes $49 million in 2024-25. Markkanen makes $18 million in 2024-25. But he's a 2025 free agent, likely to get an extension from whoever trades for him.

[Mattya]

So we could probably get beneath the second apron even if we got some other salary back

[TwolvesFanRome]

I'm not convinced to give up KAT for Markannen. No other way can we absorb his contract?

[winforlose]

How much money would this open up if we only got Markkanen back

"Open up" in cap space? None.
"Open up" in terms of flexibility? Quite a bit.

Towns makes $49 million in 2024-25. Markkanen makes $18 million in 2024-25. But he's a 2025 free agent, likely to get an extension from whoever trades for him.

We would need him to extend probably end up paying him the max, but not the supermax. So assuming the cap raises 10% next season due to tv money what is that in max dollars? The savings could pay for keeping Naz and NAW and extend the window by delaying our being in the tax. Plus KAT is objectively better than Lauri and might return something of value. A cancelled pick swap, protections on one of our outstanding picks, the return of Kessler, or something else. The problem is the Spurs will offer a mountain of picks, OKC might as well, and the Jazz may not want KAT. Things could get very interesting if multiple teams work together to make something happen here.