Rotation thread 2024/2025

[winforlose]

Here you go hating on Dilly again. Seems like you want any and every excuse to put him down. DDV is a very good SG. He is not a PG at all. Dilly is a potentially great PG. He isn't an SG. We could have tremendous faith in Dilly and still want to trade for DDV. When Conley retires I sure hope we turn to Dilly to replace him in the starting lineup and not give DDV any consideration at PG at all.

Here you go again accusing me of hating people I don’t. RD is undersized and cannot play NBA, (yet.) to put him in the rotation to a contender is like playing a first round QB in the home opener, a bad idea. Let them learn and develop first. DDV has solid AST/TO rates the past few years and can absolutely play PG. I believe we brought him in to play PG2 while developing RD. Next year DDV goes to SG and Dilly is PG2. Also when Mike rests/misses games or when DDV misses games use RD.

You say you don't hate Dilly, but your posts speak far louder than your disclaimer here. Dilly certainly can play NBA right now. I'll hold that position until if/when it's proven false. You will hold the opposite position because you hate Dilly.

There are 48 PG minutes, 48 SG minutes, and 48 SF minutes. You owe Ant at least 34 at SG, and Mike at least 25 at PG per game. You need to feed NAW, DDV, and probably TSJ (remember he is older than Ant and seems too good for the G,) so how do you suggest we accomplish this? Don’t forget that while Jaden probably plays some PF this season he also gets a lot of time at SF as well.

[KGdaBom]

Here you go again accusing me of hating people I don’t. RD is undersized and cannot play NBA, (yet.) to put him in the rotation to a contender is like playing a first round QB in the home opener, a bad idea. Let them learn and develop first. DDV has solid AST/TO rates the past few years and can absolutely play PG. I believe we brought him in to play PG2 while developing RD. Next year DDV goes to SG and Dilly is PG2. Also when Mike rests/misses games or when DDV misses games use RD.

You say you don't hate Dilly, but your posts speak far louder than your disclaimer here. Dilly certainly can play NBA right now. I'll hold that position until if/when it's proven false. You will hold the opposite position because you hate Dilly.

There are 48 PG minutes, 48 SG minutes, and 48 SF minutes. You owe Ant at least 34 at SG, and Mike at least 25 at PG per game. You need to feed NAW, DDV, and probably TSJ (remember he is older than Ant and seems too good for the G,) so how do you suggest we accomplish this? Don’t forget that while Jaden probably plays some PF this season he also gets a lot of time at SF as well.

I'd like to see Dilly get the lion's share of the back up PG minutes. DDV can get almost all of the back up SG some SF minutes and a few PG minutes until he proves that is a terrible waste of his Talents. NAW is the player who gets squeezed out is the way I see it. I don't want NAW getting minutes at DDV or Dilly's expense.

[winforlose]

You say you don't hate Dilly, but your posts speak far louder than your disclaimer here. Dilly certainly can play NBA right now. I'll hold that position until if/when it's proven false. You will hold the opposite position because you hate Dilly.

There are 48 PG minutes, 48 SG minutes, and 48 SF minutes. You owe Ant at least 34 at SG, and Mike at least 25 at PG per game. You need to feed NAW, DDV, and probably TSJ (remember he is older than Ant and seems too good for the G,) so how do you suggest we accomplish this? Don’t forget that while Jaden probably plays some PF this season he also gets a lot of time at SF as well.

I'd like to see Dilly get the lion's share of the back up PG minutes. DDV can get almost all of the back up SG some SF minutes and a few PG minutes until he proves that is a terrible waste of his Talents. NAW is the player who gets squeezed out is the way I see it. I don't want NAW getting minutes at DDV or Dilly's expense.

I disagree. NAW is either going to re-sign or be traded. Benching him kills his trade value and makes him want to leave. He isn’t some G league player who made good or a young player like Minott waiting for shot that we can hide on the bench. Teams saw NAW defend last year. Also it sends a terrible message to free agents if we bench the more talented player in favor of rookie development. We are in a win now phase, that means the best players play, and that is NAW.

[younggunsmn]

You say you don't hate Dilly, but your posts speak far louder than your disclaimer here. Dilly certainly can play NBA right now. I'll hold that position until if/when it's proven false. You will hold the opposite position because you hate Dilly.

There are 48 PG minutes, 48 SG minutes, and 48 SF minutes. You owe Ant at least 34 at SG, and Mike at least 25 at PG per game. You need to feed NAW, DDV, and probably TSJ (remember he is older than Ant and seems too good for the G,) so how do you suggest we accomplish this? Don’t forget that while Jaden probably plays some PF this season he also gets a lot of time at SF as well.

I'd like to see Dilly get the lion's share of the back up PG minutes. DDV can get almost all of the back up SG some SF minutes and a few PG minutes until he proves that is a terrible waste of his Talents. NAW is the player who gets squeezed out is the way I see it. I don't want NAW getting minutes at DDV or Dilly's expense.

I think at least to start Dillingham is going to get most of his minutes in the G-League except on nights where we are sitting Conley which is probably going to be one end of every back to back. At most he will play maybe just the last 3-4 minutes of the 2nd quarter.
On nights Conley sits he may get 20 minutes backing up Divencenzo and NAW.

Finch, despite being a lower key player's coach, is very demanding of his role players, especially on the defensive end of the court.
Even my most optimistic assessment has Dillingham taking at least half a season to become a rotation player.
And that's a good thing because it means we have enough depth on the roster to bring him along properly.

One thing that helped sink this team when it was awful for nearly 2 decades was force feeding young players minutes they didn't deserve which let bad habits turn into muscle memory.

I expect, at least to start, that Joe Ingles is out on the court for the minutes that Ant sits as an offensive facilitator.

[younggunsmn]

KBD is also a good player to have in the bottom 5 spots of your roster.
He's not exciting but he's a versatile veteran forward who can defend and shoot about league average.

They can talk up Minott all they want, I have yet to see anything from him that makes me think he will ever be a rotation player.
He's behind KBD TJ, and Miller on the depth chart right now.
Thankfully he's not as bad as Moore though.

We have to cut at least one player, and with Dozier having only 1 mil guaranteed there are about 5 million reasons that's very likely going to be him. Bet TC is regretting that signing already.

If someone is willing to absorb Minott or KBD into their cap space for nothing, we have about 10 million reasons to do that too.

We have a TPE of 4.6 mil from the KAT trade we can use too, according to Bobby Marks.
I know we don't want to add salary, but getting down to 14 roster spots without eating a contract would allow us more options at the deadline or if we suffer a major injury.

The one thing we could use is a Gob-heir apparent at Center who could fulfill that same role as defensive anchor.

Acquiring Randle makes Miller a little more intriguing. Randle is already everything Mller is trying to be as a left handed slashing PF who can shoot and handle it a bit. I haven't been super impressed with Miller so far, but I bet the organization makes Miller Randles shadow this year observing everything he does.
It does makes me curious though, if the team can't move Minott or KBD, if they would entertain moving Miller for a future 2nd round pick to restock the cupboard a little bit and save 8-9 mil on the luxury tax.

Shannon is the guy who could force his way into the rotation with some really good play, probably at the expense of NAW and Ingles.
There are some guys who are not going to be really happy with their minutes, but hey that's a really nice problem to have.
I can see Naz and DDV pushing 30 minutes every night which will hopefully help us ease up on minutes for Gobert and Conley.

Core top 7 (25+ mins a night)
Conley
Ant
jaden
Randle
Gobert
Divincenzo
Naz Reid

8-9 Fringe Rotation (5-20 mins a night)
NAW
Ingles

10-13 First guys up in case of foul trouble/injury
Dillingham
Shannon Jr
Bates-Diop
Garza

14-15 Pom Pom wavers
Minott
Miller

[shrink]

The one thing we could use is a Gob-heir apparent ….

Bravo, sir!

[shrink]

I’m kind of wondering if Randle’s play-making just pushed Ingles out of the rotation?

[Colbinii]

I’m kind of wondering if Randle’s play-making just pushed Ingles out of the rotation?

Why? Ingles is a connector and shooter offensively, not a playmaking hub.

[younggunsmn]

I’m kind of wondering if Randle’s play-making just pushed Ingles out of the rotation?

I watched Joe's media day interview, and he's leaving his family in Orlando during the season because he has a kid on the spectrum and they chose Orlando specifically because they found a good school for him there.

Given that, I don't think he signed here to be a cheerleader.

I don't think he plays every game, or even a lot of minutes when he does play, but I do expect to see him out there every night he's not being rested, especially since I have a hunch he's gonna be a security blanket that Finch relies on to steady the ship like Kyle Anderson used to be.

I think Randle's playmaking, particularly on the break and in the draw and kick game, is going to be a strength that Finch really leans into this year and I'm optimistic we may even see an uptick in efficiency from Julius as he enters Finch's system.

[minimus]

I’m kind of wondering if Randle’s play-making just pushed Ingles out of the rotation?

Keep in mind without Towns and Anderson, Ingles is our 2nd best passer when we speak about feeding Gobert.


Also keep in mind that despite all adversity in MIN last season Gobert had 248 dunks (2nd in NBA, 1st was Giannis with 251), which is around same number of dunks he had in UTA in their best seasons. I read it this way:

First, it means that MIN did pretty good job of involving him in offense and this is still big part of our offense. But being limited offensive player Gobert can't be scaled to let say 250 dunks. Second, to be NBA top offense we must maximise other aspects of Gobert presence such as his off ball (exit) screens for shooters. Without Towns and Anderson, both Randle and Ingles will share responsibility to run offense.

[Norseman79]

Iowa could be a lot of fun if....

PG Dillingham
SG Shannon
SF Minott
PF Miller
C. Edwards (for now)

Let Rob and Shannon get comfortable

[Colbinii]

Iowa could be a lot of fun if....

PG Dillingham
SG Shannon
SF Minott
PF Miller
C. Edwards (for now)

Let Rob and Shannon get comfortable

Shannon in 24. He is NBA ready.

Dillingham is interesting. I think early in the season, especially when learning the Offense [Keep in mind PG has a massive, massive learning curve at the NBA level], Dillingham should see a lot of time in Iowa during November and into early December.

[minimus]

Iowa could be a lot of fun if....

PG Dillingham
SG Shannon
SF Minott
PF Miller
C. Edwards (for now)

Let Rob and Shannon get comfortable

PG Nix
SG Clarke
SF Minott
PF Miller
C. Edwards (for now)

[Colbinii]

Iowa could be a lot of fun if....

PG Dillingham
SG Shannon
SF Minott
PF Miller
C. Edwards (for now)

Let Rob and Shannon get comfortable

PG Nix
SG Clarke
SF Minott
PF Miller
C. Edwards (for now)

Dilly will definitely be starting the season in Iowa.

[KGdaBom]

There are 48 PG minutes, 48 SG minutes, and 48 SF minutes. You owe Ant at least 34 at SG, and Mike at least 25 at PG per game. You need to feed NAW, DDV, and probably TSJ (remember he is older than Ant and seems too good for the G,) so how do you suggest we accomplish this? Don’t forget that while Jaden probably plays some PF this season he also gets a lot of time at SF as well.

I'd like to see Dilly get the lion's share of the back up PG minutes. DDV can get almost all of the back up SG some SF minutes and a few PG minutes until he proves that is a terrible waste of his Talents. NAW is the player who gets squeezed out is the way I see it. I don't want NAW getting minutes at DDV or Dilly's expense.

I think at least to start Dillingham is going to get most of his minutes in the G-League except on nights where we are sitting Conley which is probably going to be one end of every back to back. At most he will play maybe just the last 3-4 minutes of the 2nd quarter.
On nights Conley sits he may get 20 minutes backing up Divencenzo and NAW.

Finch, despite being a lower key player's coach, is very demanding of his role players, especially on the defensive end of the court.
Even my most optimistic assessment has Dillingham taking at least half a season to become a rotation player.
And that's a good thing because it means we have enough depth on the roster to bring him along properly.

One thing that helped sink this team when it was awful for nearly 2 decades was force feeding young players minutes they didn't deserve which let bad habits turn into muscle memory.

I expect, at least to start, that Joe Ingles is out on the court for the minutes that Ant sits as an offensive facilitator.

Neither Naw or Divincenzo is a PG. Dilly is.

[KGdaBom]

KBD is also a good player to have in the bottom 5 spots of your roster.
He's not exciting but he's a versatile veteran forward who can defend and shoot about league average.

They can talk up Minott all they want, I have yet to see anything from him that makes me think he will ever be a rotation player.
He's behind KBD TJ, and Miller on the depth chart right now.
Thankfully he's not as bad as Moore though.

We have to cut at least one player, and with Dozier having only 1 mil guaranteed there are about 5 million reasons that's very likely going to be him. Bet TC is regretting that signing already.

If someone is willing to absorb Minott or KBD into their cap space for nothing, we have about 10 million reasons to do that too.

We have a TPE of 4.6 mil from the KAT trade we can use too, according to Bobby Marks.
I know we don't want to add salary, but getting down to 14 roster spots without eating a contract would allow us more options at the deadline or if we suffer a major injury.

The one thing we could use is a Gob-heir apparent at Center who could fulfill that same role as defensive anchor.

Acquiring Randle makes Miller a little more intriguing. Randle is already everything Mller is trying to be as a left handed slashing PF who can shoot and handle it a bit. I haven't been super impressed with Miller so far, but I bet the organization makes Miller Randles shadow this year observing everything he does.
It does makes me curious though, if the team can't move Minott or KBD, if they would entertain moving Miller for a future 2nd round pick to restock the cupboard a little bit and save 8-9 mil on the luxury tax.

Shannon is the guy who could force his way into the rotation with some really good play, probably at the expense of NAW and Ingles.
There are some guys who are not going to be really happy with their minutes, but hey that's a really nice problem to have.
I can see Naz and DDV pushing 30 minutes every night which will hopefully help us ease up on minutes for Gobert and Conley.

Core top 7 (25+ mins a night)
Conley
Ant
jaden
Randle
Gobert
Divincenzo
Naz Reid

8-9 Fringe Rotation (5-20 mins a night)
NAW
Ingles

10-13 First guys up in case of foul trouble/injury
Dillingham
Shannon Jr
Bates-Diop
Garza

14-15 Pom Pom wavers
Minott
Miller

None of Minott, Miller, Dillingham, Garza, Shannon are rotation players until they are. Will this be the year one or more of them are rotation players? Maybe. I'm not counting them out.
There's a decent amount of people who thought that Dilly was the best player in this years draft. He shouldn't be shut out of the team.

[KGdaBom]

I’m kind of wondering if Randle’s play-making just pushed Ingles out of the rotation?

Keep in mind without Towns and Anderson, Ingles is our 2nd best passer when we speak about feeding Gobert.


Also keep in mind that despite all adversity in MIN last season Gobert had 248 dunks (2nd in NBA, 1st was Giannis with 251), which is around same number of dunks he had in UTA in their best seasons. I read it this way:

First, it means that MIN did pretty good job of involving him in offense and this is still big part of our offense. But being limited offensive player Gobert can't be scaled to let say 250 dunks. Second, to be NBA top offense we must maximise other aspects of Gobert presence such as his off ball (exit) screens for shooters. Without Towns and Anderson, both Randle and Ingles will share responsibility to run offense.

Dillingham is our second best passer.

[KGdaBom]

Iowa could be a lot of fun if....

PG Dillingham
SG Shannon
SF Minott
PF Miller
C. Edwards (for now)

Let Rob and Shannon get comfortable

PG Nix
SG Clarke
SF Minott
PF Miller
C. Edwards (for now)

Dilly will definitely be starting the season in Iowa.

I don't agree and I sure hope you're wrong.

[BlacJacMac]

I'd like to see Dilly get the lion's share of the back up PG minutes. DDV can get almost all of the back up SG some SF minutes and a few PG minutes until he proves that is a terrible waste of his Talents. NAW is the player who gets squeezed out is the way I see it. I don't want NAW getting minutes at DDV or Dilly's expense.

I think at least to start Dillingham is going to get most of his minutes in the G-League except on nights where we are sitting Conley which is probably going to be one end of every back to back. At most he will play maybe just the last 3-4 minutes of the 2nd quarter.
On nights Conley sits he may get 20 minutes backing up Divencenzo and NAW.

Finch, despite being a lower key player's coach, is very demanding of his role players, especially on the defensive end of the court.
Even my most optimistic assessment has Dillingham taking at least half a season to become a rotation player.
And that's a good thing because it means we have enough depth on the roster to bring him along properly.

One thing that helped sink this team when it was awful for nearly 2 decades was force feeding young players minutes they didn't deserve which let bad habits turn into muscle memory.

I expect, at least to start, that Joe Ingles is out on the court for the minutes that Ant sits as an offensive facilitator.

Neither Naw or Divincenzo is a PG. Dilly is.

I bet Donte starts games where Conley sits.

[KGdaBom]

I think at least to start Dillingham is going to get most of his minutes in the G-League except on nights where we are sitting Conley which is probably going to be one end of every back to back. At most he will play maybe just the last 3-4 minutes of the 2nd quarter.
On nights Conley sits he may get 20 minutes backing up Divencenzo and NAW.

Finch, despite being a lower key player's coach, is very demanding of his role players, especially on the defensive end of the court.
Even my most optimistic assessment has Dillingham taking at least half a season to become a rotation player.
And that's a good thing because it means we have enough depth on the roster to bring him along properly.

One thing that helped sink this team when it was awful for nearly 2 decades was force feeding young players minutes they didn't deserve which let bad habits turn into muscle memory.

I expect, at least to start, that Joe Ingles is out on the court for the minutes that Ant sits as an offensive facilitator.

Neither Naw or Divincenzo is a PG. Dilly is.

I bet Donte starts games where Conley sits.

Maybe he does. If Conley sits Dilly should be getting 20 minutes those nights.