College players thread/ Draft Related thread

[revprodeji]

crap I made a post and it was destoyed.


Best case scenario is Rubio, but he likely is not in the draft
Harden is the next.
If we are unable to get him then Holiday needs to be our third choice. Kid is impressing me constantly. Jennings and Thabeet are overrated.

[B Calrissian]

Has Holiday's defense been as good as people thought it would be? Before the season I was reading about him on draft express and thought he would be a good fit with Foye.

[revprodeji]

Yes, I think it is. He also has a maturity about him. He is a combo guard, not a tweener. So he could play either 1 or 2. I like Harden more, but I am very impressed with Holiday.

[Zeitgeister]

Holiday may be the player I want most in the draft right now, although I do like Harden very much. Holiday plays great defense, he's athletic and if he can truly play the point then size shouldn't be an issue, which I think he can. He won't be leading the league in assists or anything but I think he can give you 7 assists a game, I know Rev compared him to Gary Payton and that might not be too far off. He is a very mature player and never tries to do too much. He's had a couple bad games lately though so let's hope that he can continue to improve.

[john2jer]

3/4ths the way through the first half against Duke, I would like to strengthen my belief that Curry is garbage and will fail in the NBA. Dajuan Wagner 2.0

Of course I reserve the right to change my mind after the 2nd half.

[Klomp]

3/4ths the way through the first half against Duke, I would like to strengthen my belief that Curry is garbage and will fail in the NBA. Dajuan Wagner 2.0

Of course I reserve the right to change my mind after the 2nd half.

My thoughts:

Best Case: Steve Kerr
Worst Case: Eddie House / Bobby Jackson

[Devilzsidewalk]

3/4ths the way through the first half against Duke, I would like to strengthen my belief that Curry is garbage and will fail in the NBA. Dajuan Wagner 2.0

Of course I reserve the right to change my mind after the 2nd half.

And after the 2nd half...Ben Gordon 2.0?

[Devilzsidewalk]

How come so much J Holiday love?
Think I'd rather have Collison w/ Mia pick than Holiday w/ MN pick

[john2jer]

3/4ths the way through the first half against Duke, I would like to strengthen my belief that Curry is garbage and will fail in the NBA. Dajuan Wagner 2.0

Of course I reserve the right to change my mind after the 2nd half.

And after the 2nd half...Ben Gordon 2.0?

I didn't get to catch a lot of the 2nd half because I had to go to basketball practice, but I did catch some of the highlights. He's quick, but he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn from outside the paint last night. Duke, a great defensive team, completely shut down his outside shot. They defended him very well on the perimeter and as he brought the ball up the court. I caught myself screaming at the TV a few times because it seemed like Curry's teammates and coaches were idiots. they basically helped Duke double team him and trap him by not clearing more space.

He got to the lane which is nice, but Duke doesn't really have more for big defensive centers who are going to block shots, or send you to the floor with the weak stuff. He won't get those easy baskets in the NBA, he'll get clobbered everytime he enters the lane. Also, he'll run into a lot of guys in the NBA just as fast as him and can keep him from penetrating, Rose, Parker, Paul, etc...

I don't see him as an all-star, maybe a good 3rd option, but I wouldn't waste a top 5 pick on someone who grades out to be a 3rd option, unless I'm stacked with my 1st and 2nd option.

I hope the Wolves steer clear of him.

[ChazzleDazzle]

The other thing to take into account (and forgive me if this has already been mentioned) is that Foye is now proving that he can be extremely effective if paired with a(nother) PG. So for me, if we end up with a high lottery pick, the target has to be Rubio (if he comes out) or Holiday. If we're too low for that, I'd say go for Cole Aldrich and use both lower picks on backcourt help. My current faves are Evan Turner (glad to see him getting some love on these boards) and Eric Maynor out of VA Commonwealth (who I haven't seen mentioned - extremely quick and a good perimeter defender - http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/dra ... tyear=2009).

Even without a dream scenarios of trading multiple late firsts for a low lottery pick, or nailing the first overall and swinging a major trade, trading away future cap space or even signing Marvin Williams, doing the above gives us:

1 - Telfair/Maynor/Foye
2 - Foye/Turner/Carney(Brewer)
3 - Miller/Gomes/Carney(Brewer)
4 - Love/Smith/Jefferson
5 - Jefferson/Aldrich/Madsen

With FA money left to spend, which we can use to target wing scoring. Depending on who that is, it frees us up to make Foye or Miller our 6th man, which would be a sweet luxury to have... Shores up the team defensively extremely well--and this is if our first pick is late lottery... Swapping Rubio or Holiday in instead of Aldrich would let us grab someone like Jerome Jordan instead of Maynor, and the same thing is accomplished, but with the plus of adding a true playmaker at point.

Of course, that's just my $0.02

[Zeitgeister]

How come so much J Holiday love?
Think I'd rather have Collison w/ Mia pick than Holiday w/ MN pick

Nah, Holiday has more upside then Collison. He is a very high BB IQ player, he has very good athleticism and I believe he can play the point. If so, he has much better size for the PG spot then Collison. At UCLA, you just don't see too many guards scoring a lot of points on their teams so its harder to see how good he really is. But he's a player that does a little of everything.

[4ho5ive]

Nbadraft.net currently has our four 1st round picks turning out like so...

Brandon Jennings/Demar DeRozan/Ty Lawson/Dejaun Blair

=Telfair 2.0/Gerald Green 2.0/Solid pick if they didnt have us taking a 6'0 guard with another 5'12 guard on the roster/More athletic Craigers

/vomit

[revprodeji]

amen...but nbadraft.net hardly works on team need.

[big3_8_19_21]

I like Lawson and if DeRozan is there at the right pick, I'd take him, but that's still a gross draft.

[revprodeji]

I do not like Lawson or Derozan.

Lawson is a bassy all over again, without the maturity we are seeing now. Only difference is lawson needs the transition game to score. In half court he is below average. Derozan worries me. Great physical tools, but what kind of mentality? I would probably take him if there was nobody else I liked at the utah pick. But he is not on my radar.

[Worm Guts]

I wouldn't mind taking a shot on a physically gifted freshman who fell with the Miami pick, like Derozan or Mullens.

[revprodeji]

Maybe Derozan with the pick, not Mullens. I think Derozan could develop. I just do not see it with Mullens.

If in the draft we got

harden/Jrue (our pick)
Derozan (mia)
Jerome Jordan (uta)

I would be happy. Jordan and Derozan are development guys, but could be good.

[zauchary]

I wouldn't mind taking a shot on a physically gifted freshman who fell with the Miami pick, like Derozan or Mullens.

Mullins actually showed some great promise against Mich. St. the other day. if he keeps getting better he could be a steal. very agile for a 7 footer.

[canucklife21]

i agree the last couple of games Derozan has been playing much better and shooting a great percentage meaning making good judgement however i feel he will be a top 5 pick if he continues to play at this level

[PeeDee]

I doubt it, I guess he's pretty ineffective in the half court game. He's great in transistion but it's been reported that he struggles to create a shot for himself or others, even with his physical gifts.