2020 NBA Draft prospects

[TheZachAttack]

His floOr is probably McGee just not as many Shaqtin a fool moments and a jumper a team could potentially develop.

I disagree. He’s way better than McGee.

Right McGee with a jumper and less boneheaded plays would be a way better player than actual McGee. That for a floor is very high.

I just think they are also completely different caliber prospects on both ends of the floor. The only similarity is size/frame.

It’s like saying that Jimmy Butler is Jarrett Culver because they are a similar size.

[Jedzz]

Why isn't someone like Desmond Bane getting more buzz in the draft? I see a quote where he thinks he's going in the second half of the first round. Is this a player hoping to get selected by better NBA teams vs getting selected higher? What would be the knocks on this kid? Maybe that he's 22 now after 4 years in college? look at these shooting numbers.

Desmond Bane 6'6" 215
year------3pt%---2pt%--FT%---pts----FG attempts
16-17----.380---.515---.768--- 7.1-----5.1
17-18----.461---.539---.780---12.5----8.2
18-19----.425---.502---.867---15.2----11.6
19-20----.442---.452---.789---16.6----13.6

[Jedzz]

Tyrese Haliburton is currently one of my choices, even high. I might-maybe- take him over Edwards if I wanted a guard. He's longer. His wide shoulders say he's not done filling out, maybe even growing taller yet. His shooting numbers are better. He's flashy. I'm not sure why draft media hypes some players and not others.

If the point is finding a player that will produce for you then I see some.

If the point is to just draft what the masses think is the very top of draft and somehow hold onto that perceived value over a period of time, no matter what they end up doing, so you can still trade them in high value ranges, well that's something Wiggins-like I don't want to see happen.

[NebWolvesFan]

Tyrese Haliburton is currently one of my choices, even high. I might-maybe- take him over Edwards if I wanted a guard. He's longer. His wide shoulders say he's not done filling out, maybe even growing taller yet. His shooting numbers are better. He's flashy. I'm not sure why draft media hypes some players and not others.

If the point is finding a player that will produce for you then I see some.

If the point is to just draft what the masses think is the very top of draft and somehow hold onto that perceived value over a period of time, no matter what they end up doing, so you can still trade them in high value ranges, well that's something Wiggins-like I don't want to see happen.

My wife is a big ISU fan so I saw a lot of Haliburton and I don't know he's pretty blah if you watch a lot of him. There were so many games where the Cyclones lost and you felt Haliburton played poorly and then you look at his stat line and he scored 15 points with 6 rebounds and six assists and you wondered "when did he do all of that?" He just never put ISU on his back and willed them to victory. He just played okay. I worry that he will be an okay player, but not the franchise guy you want with a high-end lottery pick.

[KGdaBom]

Tyrese Haliburton is currently one of my choices, even high. I might-maybe- take him over Edwards if I wanted a guard. He's longer. His wide shoulders say he's not done filling out, maybe even growing taller yet. His shooting numbers are better. He's flashy. I'm not sure why draft media hypes some players and not others.

If the point is finding a player that will produce for you then I see some.

If the point is to just draft what the masses think is the very top of draft and somehow hold onto that perceived value over a period of time, no matter what they end up doing, so you can still trade them in high value ranges, well that's something Wiggins-like I don't want to see happen.

My wife is a big ISU fan so I saw a lot of Haliburton and I don't know he's pretty blah if you watch a lot of him. There were so many games where the Cyclones lost and you felt Haliburton played poorly and then you look at his stat line and he scored 15 points with 6 rebounds and six assists and you wondered "when did he do all of that?" He just never put ISU on his back and willed them to victory. He just played okay. I worry that he will be an okay player, but not the franchise guy you want with a high-end lottery pick.

Just looking at the stats Haliburton appears to be a top 5 choice. Looking at his play his shot release was very low which could lead to it getting blocked or just not getting it off. He got good assists, but his handle is not smooth. I like his aggressiveness, but he is no better than an average athlete. I've seen him mocked as high as pick #6, but I'd defintely rather have Hayes, Vassell, Okongwu, Toppin, ahead of him. Most mocks I've seen have him going around pick 10 and I think that is about right.

[Jedzz]

Putting these two together for easier comparison.
PROSPECTS VERSION

How they shot 3s in college/int. Taller players denoted height in bold

K. Hayes (.274) 3 yr as high as 4.1 attempts/g
C. Anthony (.348 1yr 6.4 attempts/g
T. Terry (.408) 1yr 4.9 attempts/g (.891 FT)
T. Maxey (.292) 1yr 3.6 attempts/g
T.Maledon (.346) 3yr as high as 2.6 attempts/g
Kira Lewis (.362) 2 yr as high as 4.9 attempts/g
Tre Jones (.313) 2 yr as high as 3.7 attempts/g
N Mannion (.327) 1 yr as high as 5.1 attempts/g
D Dotson (.332) 2 yr as high as 4.1 attempts/g
A Edwards (.294) 1 yr 7.7 attempts/g 6'5 player
Haliburton (.416 avg) 2yr as high as 5.6 attempts/g 6'5 player <------------
D Vassell (.417) 2 yr as high as 3.5 attempts/g 6'6 player <-------
C Stanley (.360) 1yr 3 attempts/g 6'6 player
J Green (.361) 1 yr 2.8 attempts/g 6'6 player
J Ramsey (.426) 1yr as high as 5.2 attempts/g <----------------
D Bane (.433) 4yr as high as 6.5 attempts/g 6'6 player <-------------------------
RJ Hampton (.295) 1yr 2.9 attempts/g
L. Ball (.250) 1yr 6.7 attempts/g 6'7 claimed player

https://www.sports-reference.com

NBA PLAYER VERSION

How they shot 3s in college: (noted taller player height in bold)

J. Harden - (.376 avg) .407 1yr and .356 the next yr.
Steph Curry - (.412 avg) 3 yrs
Westbrook - (.356 avg) .409 1yr and a .338 the next yr.
Thompson - (.390 avg) 3 yrs, 1yr over .400 6'6 player
SGAlexander - (.404 ) 1 yr
VanVleet - (.386 avg) 4yrs, .408,.418, .357,.381
DeRozan - (.167) 1 yr 6'7 player
B.Hield - (.390 avg) 4 yrs, 1yr at .456
B. Beal - ( .339) 3pt shooter 1yr
Dinwiddie - (.388avg) 3 yrs, with 2yrs over .400
M. Smart - (.295 avg) 2 yrs
C. Levert - (.401 avg) 4 yrs, with 3 yrs over .400 6'7 player
Z. LaVine - (.375) 1yr
J. Holiday - (.307) 1yr
Jaylen Brown - (.294) 1yr 6'7 player
Middleton - (.321 avg) 3 yrs, 6'7 player
V. Oladipo - (.338 avg) 3 yrs, 1 yr over .400
D. Mitchell - (.329 avg) 2 yrs
McCollum - (.337 avg) 4 yrs, 1 yr at .516 @ 5att/g
Booker - (.411) 1 yr
J. Butler - (.383) 3 yrs, 1 yr at .500 6'7 player

[Jedzz]

Tyrese Haliburton is currently one of my choices, even high. I might-maybe- take him over Edwards if I wanted a guard. He's longer. His wide shoulders say he's not done filling out, maybe even growing taller yet. His shooting numbers are better. He's flashy. I'm not sure why draft media hypes some players and not others.

If the point is finding a player that will produce for you then I see some.

If the point is to just draft what the masses think is the very top of draft and somehow hold onto that perceived value over a period of time, no matter what they end up doing, so you can still trade them in high value ranges, well that's something Wiggins-like I don't want to see happen.

My wife is a big ISU fan so I saw a lot of Haliburton and I don't know he's pretty blah if you watch a lot of him. There were so many games where the Cyclones lost and you felt Haliburton played poorly and then you look at his stat line and he scored 15 points with 6 rebounds and six assists and you wondered "when did he do all of that?" He just never put ISU on his back and willed them to victory. He just played okay. I worry that he will be an okay player, but not the franchise guy you want with a high-end lottery pick.

Good to hear from someone that watched. I'm trying to worry less and just look at what they can do already.

If I have any concern, it's about everyone buying into the hype of the currently labeled top 3 without looking at what else is there. I bet it even changes yet still. I'll live with outcome as we always do.

[Jedzz]

Desmond Bane 6'6" 215
year------3pt%---2pt%--FT%---pts----FG attempts
16-17----.380---.515---.768--- 7.1-----5.1
17-18----.461---.539---.780---12.5----8.2
18-19----.425---.502---.867---15.2----11.6
19-20----.442---.452---.789---16.6----13.6

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[Mattya]

I disagree. He’s way better than McGee.

Right McGee with a jumper and less boneheaded plays would be a way better player than actual McGee. That for a floor is very high.

I just think they are also completely different caliber prospects on both ends of the floor. The only similarity is size/frame.

It’s like saying that Jimmy Butler is Jarrett Culver because they are a similar size.

Right, that’s why I said floor. That is worst case scenario.

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[Killboard]

Paul Reed and Desmond Bane are the two under the radar guys I want. I would be mad if either of them are picked with the Nets pick.
I also like Pokusevski, Maxey and Nesmith, but I doubt they are available by then.
Top10 I like Hayes, Okongwu, Vassell, Okoro and Halliburton, in that order.

I see talent in Ball, Edwards and Wiseman but I think they could have more value in trade scenarios than I'm willing to risk for his low end outcome.

[TheZachAttack]

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Terry is almost certainly going to develop into a useful role player, albeit likely a 6th man type player. I'm not sure he's a good enough distributor to be a starting PG, nor does he have the size to play a different position. I guess he could be a starter for the right team. That is a team whose primary distributor is a point forward ala Ben Simmons, Lebron, Giannis, etc.

He's definitely going to be able to generate his own shots & space the floor, both with the ball in his hands and without--which is valuable.

I wouldn't mind taking him at #17 if he's there, especially if we draft Edwards #1. This strategy would likely result in some further shuffling because between Edwards, Beasley, D Lo, McLaughlin, Okogie, Culver, & Terry there wouldn't be that many minutes to go around. Ultimately, I think you could make it work... but you're looking at a lot of Edwards & Okogie or Culver at the 3... which is maybe fine... but might also be a problem.

I think you'd have to trade either Okogie or Culver as well--personally I'd trade Culver.

[Neeva]

If you want terry trade down from 17 maybe with the 76ers I think he will be there at 21.

[thinktank]

Paul Reed and Desmond Bane are the two under the radar guys I want. I would be mad if either of them are picked with the Nets pick.
I also like Pokusevski, Maxey and Nesmith, but I doubt they are available by then.
Top10 I like Hayes, Okongwu, Vassell, Okoro and Halliburton, in that order.

I see talent in Ball, Edwards and Wiseman but I think they could have more value in trade scenarios than I'm willing to risk for his low end outcome.

This is pretty much where I’m at.

We can’t afford to risk development of a young player.

We need a more known, lower risk player

[shangrila]

Thank you for collating this.

So he is in the Jaylen Brown Marcus Smart territory... What does everyone think?

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I'd like to see a breakdown of how many contested and/or pull up 3s Edwards took, his %s there and then how that compares to his peers.

I just struggle to see how he's as bad a shooter as his %s would indicate. It's similar to Maxey; they've got good forms, good FT%s and both have decent projected 3pt%s (Maxey 35%, Edwards 37%).

Projected %? Maxey and Edwards are both 29% in college that I see. Edwards had comparatively high attempts to everyone. Maxey does not. You struggle to see how? The numbers are just what they did in college. Maybe the hype just got to you on some of these players? Maybe you have a point that some take more contested shots and it impacts their percentage. But others might say that's a sign a player has better bbiq in the moment and picks their shots better or can create their own space better. It's hard to say. Westbrook is a star player and yet people complain about his percentage in individual games all the time. He'll toss them up whenever and miss them even if he's wide open sometimes. But he can hit plenty as well. More streaky. See his 34% to 41% difference in two college seasons.

These are just what these current NBA players were doing in college for perspective. Would be cool to see a breakdown of contested shots if you want to find that info. But it also probably matters what competition they were against and other variables.

I also posted the guard/combo/shooting/and taller wings of this draft. Some interesting player numbers in there.

Projected 3pt% is a stat that takes into account college 3pt%, 3PAs and FT%. It's not set in stone or anything but it's an attempt to predict what their rookie shooting %s will be based on the historical correlation between those previous 3 stats.

That's why I say I don't buy them as bad shooters and why I'd like to see contested numbers. Maxey has an issue with his mechanics (shoots forwards, not up, hurts his arc and why he front rims a lot of 3s. But that's easily fixable) but Edwards' mechanics seem fine so it leads me to believe it's more an issue with his shot selection. I thought I read on a mock, I think one of the CBS ones, that Edwards took something like 111 contested jumpers and made 20-30 of them. I wish I could find it but yeah, if true that gives me hope his %s are worse on paper than an actual indicator of his ability.

[Domejandro]

I’ve explained this multiple times, but Edwards’ team would have been significantly worse had he not had a score-first mentality every time down the court. Context is immensely important when analyzing Draft prospects.

[Baseline81]

Found this interesting:

Prior to last week’s NBA Draft lottery, Penny Hardaway expressed on record again his belief that James Wiseman deserves to be the No. 1 overall pick on Oct. 16.

The fact that the Minnesota Timberwolves won the right to select first only reinforced Hardaway’s position. Hardaway coached Wiseman both in high school (at East) and at Memphis, before the 7-footer’s ineligible ruling by the NCAA led to his decision to withdraw from school and begin preparing for the draft.

“To me, he’s the No. 1 pick overall and that’s Minnesota,” Hardaway said Monday. “I think him and KAT (Karl-Anthony Towns) can work really well together. They would be an unbelievable twosome, the way the league is going now. They’re both mobile, they’re both active. I think that would be a difference maker, having two rim protectors and guys that are highly skilled out on the perimeter.”

Towns, a two-time All Star, is in his fifth season in the NBA. At 6-11, 248 pounds, the former Kentucky star has career per-game averages of 22.7 points, 11.8 rebounds, 2.8 assists and 1.5 blocks, while also shooting 39.6 percent from three.

Wiseman (7-1, 240) also features a well-rounded game with elite-level potential across the board.

“He didn’t get to play this year, and those are question marks,” Hardaway said. “(But) he’s going to be the fastest guy on the floor. He’s going to protect the rim. He’s definitely an instant assist under the rim because of his athleticism. And he’s going to work on getting his shot to where he can get out to the 3-point line and be a threat from out there. I’m not just saying that because I coached him. I just know the NBA and what they’re looking for.”

[Jedzz]

I'd like to see a breakdown of how many contested and/or pull up 3s Edwards took, his %s there and then how that compares to his peers.

I just struggle to see how he's as bad a shooter as his %s would indicate. It's similar to Maxey; they've got good forms, good FT%s and both have decent projected 3pt%s (Maxey 35%, Edwards 37%).

Projected %? Maxey and Edwards are both 29% in college that I see. Edwards had comparatively high attempts to everyone. Maxey does not. You struggle to see how? The numbers are just what they did in college. Maybe the hype just got to you on some of these players? Maybe you have a point that some take more contested shots and it impacts their percentage. But others might say that's a sign a player has better bbiq in the moment and picks their shots better or can create their own space better. It's hard to say. Westbrook is a star player and yet people complain about his percentage in individual games all the time. He'll toss them up whenever and miss them even if he's wide open sometimes. But he can hit plenty as well. More streaky. See his 34% to 41% difference in two college seasons.

These are just what these current NBA players were doing in college for perspective. Would be cool to see a breakdown of contested shots if you want to find that info. But it also probably matters what competition they were against and other variables.

I also posted the guard/combo/shooting/and taller wings of this draft. Some interesting player numbers in there.

Projected 3pt% is a stat that takes into account college 3pt%, 3PAs and FT%. It's not set in stone or anything but it's an attempt to predict what their rookie shooting %s will be based on the historical correlation between those previous 3 stats.

That's why I say I don't buy them as bad shooters and why I'd like to see contested numbers. Maxey has an issue with his mechanics (shoots forwards, not up, hurts his arc and why he front rims a lot of 3s. But that's easily fixable) but Edwards' mechanics seem fine so it leads me to believe it's more an issue with his shot selection. I thought I read on a mock, I think one of the CBS ones, that Edwards took something like 111 contested jumpers and made 20-30 of them. I wish I could find it but yeah, if true that gives me hope his %s are worse on paper than an actual indicator of his ability.

You might know more about the intracasies of correcting a broken shot than me. But I for one have heard how teams plan to fix a players broken shot a hundred times and it never went anywhere. Most of those center around Timberwolves draft picks but some others. I understand and believe players can improve their shot. Just last year I saw Thybulle bring a consistent form and successfull 3pt shot into his rookie season that he never seemed to have in college. He did fall off that wagon a bit during the season but that I kind of expect and he'll get more work in this offseason to pick it back up, and given the proof already seen I expect him to shoot even better next season.

That is interesting to find out there is a stat such as that. However, personally I won't be putting much stock into a projected 3pt% stat for college kids that have never stepped into a NBA game yet. People are just trying to be positive or something is my guess. I'll wait for the day they prove it and they sure haven't yet. I mean you chose to use two examples that are going to need to jack their percenage from sub .300 all the way to near .400 in order to be more worthy of a higher draft pick than the 4-6 players that already have shown numbers well over .400 and are taller and shooting a healthy amount themslves. I honestly haven't even heard any solid reasoning why these players aren't already rated and projected as higher picks. I assume any major leap in shooting percentage will take a few seasons and so that means they likely shouldn't be top 15 picks to me. Just like I assumed for Culver last season. He needed development time, not to be treated like a top of draft pick that should be starting games as a rookie. But here we are again with players with the same issues, this time one of them at the very top. Go figure why.

Edwards is the one with the highest attempts per game and this could very well speak to an impact on his shooting percentage. I've seen the clips of his shooting and it looks alright. Maybe he's just got be more choosey and use his teammates more. But if he can elevate that percentage, quite a bit mind you, the experience of chucking even when cold and all those late game attempts will serve him well. It's common for a precentage to drop some as the attempts go high. However that's not a guarantee either and there are some high 5s and 6s attempts/g in the list I posted from other college players that maintained over .400. I fully expect them to shoot well in the NBA before I'll expect Maxey to who struggled at just over 3 attempts/g. I swear people are buying hype on this one and I don't know where it is coming from. I don't see it. It's just my opinion but no one is offering anything solid against these other players that isn't already true for that guy or worse. In fact it doesn't seem like anyone wants to talk about anyone that has already proven a higher shooting ability. It's like a detriment come draft time.

[KGdaBom]

Found this interesting:

Prior to last week’s NBA Draft lottery, Penny Hardaway expressed on record again his belief that James Wiseman deserves to be the No. 1 overall pick on Oct. 16.

The fact that the Minnesota Timberwolves won the right to select first only reinforced Hardaway’s position. Hardaway coached Wiseman both in high school (at East) and at Memphis, before the 7-footer’s ineligible ruling by the NCAA led to his decision to withdraw from school and begin preparing for the draft.

“To me, he’s the No. 1 pick overall and that’s Minnesota,” Hardaway said Monday. “I think him and KAT (Karl-Anthony Towns) can work really well together. They would be an unbelievable twosome, the way the league is going now. They’re both mobile, they’re both active. I think that would be a difference maker, having two rim protectors and guys that are highly skilled out on the perimeter.”

Towns, a two-time All Star, is in his fifth season in the NBA. At 6-11, 248 pounds, the former Kentucky star has career per-game averages of 22.7 points, 11.8 rebounds, 2.8 assists and 1.5 blocks, while also shooting 39.6 percent from three.

Wiseman (7-1, 240) also features a well-rounded game with elite-level potential across the board.

“He didn’t get to play this year, and those are question marks,” Hardaway said. “(But) he’s going to be the fastest guy on the floor. He’s going to protect the rim. He’s definitely an instant assist under the rim because of his athleticism. And he’s going to work on getting his shot to where he can get out to the 3-point line and be a threat from out there. I’m not just saying that because I coached him. I just know the NBA and what they’re looking for.”

I agree with Penny, but he's a Memphis booster. You have to take anything he says Memphis with a grain of salt. On the other hand Wiseman deserted Memphis.

[IceManBK1]

if we draft Edwards, we trade JJ, Culver+#17 for Aaron Gordon. Sign a 3d SF and call it a night.
Dlo/Edwards/1 of these (jerami grant, jae crowder, Rondae Hollis Jefferson/Gordon/Towns