Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[Neeva]

Rosas needs to be patient for once. Simmons value aint getting higher while he is on the 76ers.

[Dewey]

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Beasley+Prince+Reid+3 future 1st..1 of them top 3 protected. For Ben Simmons. We sign my boy Biyombo and resign Vanderbilt. Call it an offseason

Dlo/Pat Beverly/Bolmaro
Edwards/Novell/Okogie
McDaniels/Layman
Simmons/Vanderbilt
Towns/Biyombo

Easy yes for me but they would not take that. We will need at least a 3rd team to bring an establish win-now player

[IceManBK1]

Rosas needs to be patient for once. Simmons value aint getting higher while he is on the 76ers.

maybe dlo and towns can do some recruiting..persuade simmons to demand a trade. then we can lowball them. well, give them a fair package of our own.

[SO_MONEY]

Rosas needs to be patient for once. Simmons value aint getting higher while he is on the 76ers.

Correct.

[younggunsmn]

Siakam is a good player, but on a good team he's your 3rd best player. He's quite a bit overpaid for your 3rd best player. He's about on the same level as John Collins and makes 10 million more.

Still, he's worth more than Russell in that good teams would actually offer positive assets for him. A Russell/Siakam swap would make a lot of sense with Beverly now in the fold. I don't like his fit next to KAT as he's more of a tweener 3/4 than a true 4, but I don't like the fit of most players next to KAT. Good defensive 5's can play next to pretty much anyone. Bad defensive 5's are really really really hard to hide.

[younggunsmn]

Adding Beverly adds to the growing nauseous feeling in my stomach that Rosas is preparing to make a massive overpay for Simmons.
I just don't think Morey is going to get close to getting a LIllard or even all-star for him, and robbing Rosas blind is his plan B.
Beverly and Prince set up perfectly as salary filler who would be good rotation fits for Doc/Morey.

When your first big trade is as disastrous as Rosas' was, everyone will ask for the moon from then on because they will assume you are playing checkers while they are playing chess. I put the odds of Rosas getting the better of Morey about at the same as the Twins coming back this year to win the division.

[SO_MONEY]

Adding Beverly adds to the growing nauseous feeling in my stomach that Rosas is preparing to make a massive overpay for Simmons.
I just don't think Morey is going to get close to getting a LIllard or even all-star for him, and robbing Rosas blind is his plan B.
Beverly and Prince set up perfectly as salary filler who would be good rotation fits for Doc/Morey.

When your first big trade is as disastrous as Rosas' was, everyone will ask for the moon from then on because they will assume you are playing checkers while they are playing chess. I put the odds of Rosas getting the better of Morey about at the same as the Twins coming back this year to win the division.

Meh.

[KGdaBom]

Siakam is a good player, but on a good team he's your 3rd best player. He's quite a bit overpaid for your 3rd best player. He's about on the same level as John Collins and makes 10 million more.

Still, he's worth more than Russell in that good teams would actually offer positive assets for him. A Russell/Siakam swap would make a lot of sense with Beverly now in the fold. I don't like his fit next to KAT as he's more of a tweener 3/4 than a true 4, but I don't like the fit of most players next to KAT. Good defensive 5's can play next to pretty much anyone. Bad defensive 5's are really really really hard to hide.

Siakam has already been the 2nd best player on a title team. It would be amazing to have him and be our 3rd best behind Ant and KAT. Maybe we could be raising the Larry O'Brien trophy at the end of the season.

[younggunsmn]

More important to that team than Lowry or Kawhai? no. Excellent 3rd piece. He has been exposed a bit without better players around him. If he was a #2 Toronto wouldnt have been lottery fodder in a bad conference last year.

[KGdaBom]

More important to that team than Lowry or Kawhai? no. Excellent 3rd piece. He has been exposed a bit without better players around him. If he was a #2 Toronto wouldnt have been lottery fodder in a bad conference last year.

He was the second Fiddle. Lowry was the third.

[shrink]

Siakam is a good player, but on a good team he's your 3rd best player. He's quite a bit overpaid for your 3rd best player. He's about on the same level as John Collins and makes 10 million more.

Still, he's worth more than Russell in that good teams would actually offer positive assets for him. A Russell/Siakam swap would make a lot of sense with Beverly now in the fold.

Yes. That contract really worries me, and Siakim seemed to take a step back last year, or perhaps the league figured him out a little.

I am also concerned that any players from the Raptors would take a step back once they leave that professional organization. Then again, now that we have a Chris Finch, we may have an inside track on getting the most out of him. I think it would help our books if we sent out DLo’s big contract if we took in Siakim’s big contract. However, while PBev is a step in the right direction without Rubio, I don’t think he can stay healthy enough to be a starting PG for 82 games.

[Dewey]

Adding Beverly adds to the growing nauseous feeling in my stomach that Rosas is preparing to make a massive overpay for Simmons.
I just don't think Morey is going to get close to getting a LIllard or even all-star for him, and robbing Rosas blind is his plan B.
Beverly and Prince set up perfectly as salary filler who would be good rotation fits for Doc/Morey.

When your first big trade is as disastrous as Rosas' was, everyone will ask for the moon from then on because they will assume you are playing checkers while they are playing chess. I put the odds of Rosas getting the better of Morey about at the same as the Twins coming back this year to win the division.

get over yourself

[_AIJ_]

Rosas needs to be patient for once. Simmons value aint getting higher while he is on the 76ers.

People complain if he doesnt make any moves and people still complain if he does make a move.

[Klomp]

Rosas needs to be patient for once. Simmons value aint getting higher while he is on the 76ers.

Who says he hasn't been in this whole ordeal?

[SO_MONEY]

Rosas needs to be patient for once. Simmons value aint getting higher while he is on the 76ers.

Who says he hasn't been in this whole ordeal?

I would bet he has been.

[shrink]

MIN GETS: Chris Bouchard + TOR 2023 2nd
TOR GETS: Naz Reid, Jake Layman, Josh Okogie

MIN gets their starting PF on a reasonable contract ($7 mil, expiring). Bouchard is 28, but we would get his Bird rights. He can defend, and he can shoot three’s a bit. I worry that TOR players will decline once out of their great organization, but perhaps Chris Finch was part of his success in TOR? The deal also clears an additional $2.8 mil under the lux and a couple roster spots, and maybe finding minutes for Bolmaro and Nowell.

Adding the other players helps us cash in on the cheapness of his deal. Don’t forget, his second cheap year is an illusion. MIN, or whoever he is traded to, is not going to use it and let him become a frustrated UFA that got underpaid. His team will renounce the 2022-23 season and keep him home on a new deal as an RFA.

Why for TOR? Naz is a nice fit as their new starting C. Bouchard would remain a bench player behind Siakim. Layman is salary filler, but Okogie can play, and would be a good mentor for Precious Achiuwa.

[SO_MONEY]

MIN GETS: Chris Bouchard + TOR 2023 2nd
TOR GETS: Naz Reid, Jake Layman, Josh Okogie

MIN gets their starting PF on a reasonable contract ($7 mil, expiring). Bouchard is 28, but we would get his Bird rights. He can defend, and he can shoot three’s a bit. I worry that TOR players will decline once out of their great organization, but perhaps Chris Finch was part of his success in TOR? The deal also clears an additional $2.8 mil under the lux and a couple roster spots, and maybe finding minutes for Bolmaro and Nowell.

Adding the other players helps us cash in on the cheapness of his deal. Don’t forget, his second cheap year is an illusion. MIN, or whoever he is traded to, is not going to use it and let him become a frustrated UFA that got underpaid. His team will renounce the 2022-23 season and keep him home on a new deal as an RFA.

Why for TOR? Naz is a nice fit as their new starting C. Bouchard would remain a bench player behind Siakim. Layman is salary filler, but Okogie can play, and would be a good mentor for Precious Achiuwa.

Nah. Reid is worth more. I think you pay him before accepting this deal. Great fit in Toronto, this is just a poor return.

[andyhop]

Patrick Beverly, Rajon Rondo & Daniel Oturu got traded to the Grizzlies today for Eric Bledsoe. Memphis is pretty stacked now and apparently the futures of all three of those players there are up in the air. Anyone you think the Timberwolves should grab?

I think they would all be terrible on the Wolves, the only place they might work is on a contender after a buyout.

One of them is now on the Wolves. Beverley traded for Culver and Hernangomez.

Well at least he is acting happy to be here so maybe it will work . I still expect Beverley to finish the season on another team by either trade or buyout if he can actually stay healthy so we will see

[Neeva]

Rosas needs to be patient for once. Simmons value aint getting higher while he is on the 76ers.

People complain if he doesnt make any moves and people still complain if he does make a move.

Because his moves suck.

[shangrila]

Rosas needs to be patient for once. Simmons value aint getting higher while he is on the 76ers.

People complain if he doesnt make any moves and people still complain if he does make a move.

Because his moves suck.

Compared to the outlandish and unrealistic expectations people like you seem to have? Yeah, sure.

Says more about you than him though.