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Post#1801 » by winforlose » Mon Feb 7, 2022 4:38 pm

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shrink wrote:I agree, and I’ve been giving this a lot of thought lately. Chris Finch has found a way to balance our five starters to be highly productive together, despite each having some significant flaws. It’s the balance and chemistry overlaps that makes these five go.

So my question would be .. how much better does a player need to be, to replace a current player on our starting line up? For instance, Harrison Barnes is a terrific player, and is more talented overall than Jared Vanderbilt. But if you replace Vando, does the overall group play as well? Does Vando? Would Barnes be willing to come off the bench, even if he closed games?

Same goes for Beverley. He is the other player I see posters kicking out of the starting line up when they make rotations after their fake trades. Personally, I think Beverley impacts not just the game, but the other starters, in a significant way. If we made a deal for Marcus Smart and still had Bev, do you push Pat to the bench?

I’m pretty happy with our starting line up. Those five have a Net Rtg of 29.1, which is tops for any group who’s played 200 or more minutes together. For reference, BOS is #2 at 25, and UTA is #3 at 17, so 29.1 is a huge number. Of course I’d like to see a talent boost before the deadline, but if we save our assets, I’m comfortable with that. Pick up a back up big with the size to bang, and maybe a vet third string PG for injuries, and let’s go.


I love Beverly, but he can be a leader as a sixth man yelling at people off the bench, while we get a better player in the starting lineup. Not to mention how much you risk by him being injury prone as well as a point guard. We still keep our top lineup and add another rooster that can hopefully give us another strong lineup combination.

I don’t know. I heard a podcast about our early success, which marveled at DLo’s +25 Net Rtg, but when they dug deeper on how he got the +25, DLo spent half his minutes with Beverley and he was +50, and half his minutes without him and was virtually 0.

But that was a couple months ago. Maybe DLo has changed. Maybe the team has changed. I just know the team feels .. more in control? .. when Beverley is out there. I think they had a game last week that was slipping away until they put Bev in for the final couple of minutes.

I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m saying I’m a little nervous about doing anything to upset the delicate balance Finch has created. I want to keep savoring for a while.


Dlo finding his shot will take care of a lot of that. Ant also getting more comfortable as an initiator for the offense instead of a shoot first guy will also help. Dlo makes some risky passes that can get him trouble, but he is also coming alive in PNR with KAT, V8, and sometimes others. It is also true that getting another starter doesn’t have to mean they don’t play together. Maybe Ant sits first instead of Dlo and Bev comes in. Then JMAC and Ant run the second unit. Ant is better with the second unit than Dlo is by the numbers. In that situation Dlo moves back to SG and we get that pairing again.

The thing that keeps bugging me is that we could just as easily be 25-28 or worse if teams hit the open 3s we give them. Detroit missed so many open looks in both games. Other teams have been in similar situations. We must do something to improve the interior defense so that players don’t need to keep over helping in the paint, and that means either keeping KAT down low or brining in a paint protector.
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Post#1802 » by Mattya » Mon Feb 7, 2022 5:56 pm

Well maybe Cam Reddish is still available :lol:
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Post#1803 » by TaylorTag » Mon Feb 7, 2022 6:28 pm

As a Boston resident who hears a lot about the Celtics, Im talking myself into a Smart trade, but not until the offseason...

My hesitation with adding Smart is that we already have two guards in D'Lo and Ant that will play significant minutes next season and beyond (I think the Wolves end up giving D'Lo an extension this offseason), so bringing in Smart as your fourth highest paid player doesn't make a ton of sense.

But then you look at Beverley's role and it does seem like Smart could seamlessly come in and fill that void. This is where my ignorance comes in. I know that Smart is known for his D, but I always thought he got that recognition because he could truly guard 1-4... I think what the Wolves need, and values, is a perimeter ball stopper... If Smart does that at a high level, then yeah he is probably worth the contract.

Compared to Beverley, Smart is on our age timeline and he is not as injury prone.. And while he may lack Beverley's passion, if only because no other player in the league can match that, he seems to have some leadership qualities that will do well in our locker room.

So here's what I think in regards to a trade package, and note that the Celtics recently made a trade to get under the luxury tax, so I am not entirely sure if this messes it up, but it is another reason why I am thinking this move happens in the offseason after the playoffs.

MIN OUT: Malik Beasely, Jordan McLaughlin, 2023 heavily protected 1st
MIN IN: Marcus Smart, Peyton Pritchard

Will justify the idea for the Celtics by talking about JMac first... The last time the Wolves played, I listened to this Celtics YouTube post game show which I quite enjoy.. They were all enamored with McLaughlin and though the Celitcs beat reporters didn't say it at the time, they all seemingly would love to have him on the team. All they've talked about this season is how the Celtic needs a floor-general point guard that can orchestrate the offense, as the only guys they have to play that role are Schroeder and Smart. The problem is that Schroeder doesn't have much of a pass-first mindset and Smart isn't really a true PG, at least on the offensive end. McLaughlin would seem to give the Celtics a true PG at a cheap price point, so I can see the desire there.

As far as Beasely, not much to say. He provides shooting which the Celtics desperately need, outside a playmaking PG. A lot of the reason Jason Tatum, is having a down year is because teams can focus all their attention on him, as he doesn't have a trusted outlet when Brown isn't on the floor with him.. Adding Beasely would give Celtics a premier three-point shooter at a reasonable cost.

As far as the Wolves, bringing in Smart would mean the Wolves would not have to fret over giving an aging Beverley a multi-year contract for his on-floor production. Worst case scenario, Smart would be a net neutral replacement for Beverley's production. Smart might not shoot the three at Beverley's rate, but in every other area Smart matches up well with Beverley. Not only that, but Smart hasn't been injury prone this season, and so he can be trusted to be on the floor more.

And while I don't love Smart's contract, I don't see the Wolves bringing in a third max guy to round out the roster, so I would think that getting Smart long-term sets us up nicely to give guys like Nowell a bigger contract, not to mention McDaniels and Ant when their time comes.

As far as Peyton Pritchard, he gives a pure shooter to replace Beasely. And while I don't expect Pritchard to match Beasely's production or minutes anytime soon, adding a three-point shooter never hurts, especially when you are giving up a guy like Beasely in the process.

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Overall, seems like a trade both teams would benefit from. Wolves get a D-first vet locked up long-term to complement our core 3. And the Wolves still have a ton of cap flexibility to resign Prince to a reasonable contract. Because Smart and Pritchard's salaries essentially match Beasely and McLaughlin, the Wolves would still have a ton of cap space if they did this trade..

It just makes a lot of sense for both sides.
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Post#1804 » by winforlose » Mon Feb 7, 2022 6:45 pm

MPLSwolves wrote:As a Boston resident who hears a lot about the Celtics, Im talking myself into a Smart trade, but not until the offseason...

My hesitation with adding Smart is that we already have two guards in D'Lo and Ant that will play significant minutes next season and beyond (I think the Wolves end up giving D'Lo an extension this offseason), so bringing in Smart as your fourth highest paid player doesn't make a ton of sense.

But then you look at Beverley's role and it does seem like Smart could seamlessly come in and fill that void. This is where my ignorance comes in. I know that Smart is known for his D, but I always thought he got that recognition because he could truly guard 1-4... I think what the Wolves need, and values, is a perimeter ball stopper... If Smart does that at a high level, then yeah he is probably worth the contract.

Compared to Beverley, Smart is on our age timeline and he is not as injury prone.. And while he may lack Beverley's passion, if only because no other player in the league can match that, he seems to have some leadership qualities that will do well in our locker room.

So here's what I think in regards to a trade package, and note that the Celtics recently made a trade to get under the luxury tax, so I am not entirely sure if this messes it up, but it is another reason why I am thinking this move happens in the offseason after the playoffs.

MIN OUT: Malik Beasely, Jordan McLaughlin
MIN IN: Marcus Smart, Peyton Pritchard, 2023 heavily protected 1st

Will justify the idea for the Celtics by talking about JMac first... The last time the Wolves played, I listened to this Celtics YouTube post game show which I quite enjoy.. They were all enamored with McLaughlin and though the Celitcs beat reporters didn't say it at the time, they all seemingly would love to have him on the team. All they've talked about this season is how the Celtic needs a floor-general point guard that can orchestrate the offense, as the only guys they have to play that role are Schroeder and Smart. The problem is that Schroeder doesn't have much of a pass-first mindset and Smart isn't really a true PG, at least on the offensive end. McLaughlin would seem to give the Celtics a true PG at a cheap price point, so I can see the desire there.

As far as Beasely, not much to say. He provides shooting which the Celtics desperately need, outside a playmaking PG. A lot of the reason Jason Tatum, is having a down year is because teams can focus all their attention on him, as he doesn't have a trusted outlet when Brown isn't on the floor with him.. Adding Beasely would give Celtics a premier three-point shooter at a reasonable cost.

As far as the Wolves, bringing in Smart would mean the Wolves would not have to fret over giving an aging Beverley a multi-year contract for his on-floor production. Worst case scenario, Smart would be a net neutral replacement for Beverley's production. Smart might not shoot the three at Beverley's rate, but in every other area Smart matches up well with Beverley. Not only that, but Smart hasn't been injury prone this season, and so he can be trusted to be on the floor more.

And while I don't love Smart's contract, I don't see the Wolves bringing in a third max guy to round out the roster, so I would think that getting Smart long-term sets us up nicely to give guys like Nowell a bigger contract, not to mention McDaniels and Ant when their time comes.

As far as Peyton Pritchard, he gives a pure shooter to replace Beasely. And while I don't expect Pritchard to match Beasely's production or minutes anytime soon, adding a three-point shooter never hurts, especially when you are giving up a guy like Beasely in the process.

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Overall, seems like a trade both teams would benefit from. Wolves get a D-first vet locked up long-term to complement our core 3. And the Wolves still have a ton of cap flexibility to resign Prince to a reasonable contract. Because Smart and Pritchard's salaries essentially match Beasely and McLaughlin, the Wolves would still have a ton of cap space if they did this trade..

It just makes a lot of sense for both sides.


They are demanding a first from us, they are not going to give us a first. JMAC had a terrible season up till about a week ago. Pritchard had a terrible beginning and current stretch, but a very solid few weeks during his Covid replacement minutes. All in all they are probably a one for one swap, they won’t give us a first for JMAC.
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Post#1805 » by TaylorTag » Mon Feb 7, 2022 6:52 pm

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MPLSwolves wrote:As a Boston resident who hears a lot about the Celtics, Im talking myself into a Smart trade, but not until the offseason...

My hesitation with adding Smart is that we already have two guards in D'Lo and Ant that will play significant minutes next season and beyond (I think the Wolves end up giving D'Lo an extension this offseason), so bringing in Smart as your fourth highest paid player doesn't make a ton of sense.

But then you look at Beverley's role and it does seem like Smart could seamlessly come in and fill that void. This is where my ignorance comes in. I know that Smart is known for his D, but I always thought he got that recognition because he could truly guard 1-4... I think what the Wolves need, and values, is a perimeter ball stopper... If Smart does that at a high level, then yeah he is probably worth the contract.

Compared to Beverley, Smart is on our age timeline and he is not as injury prone.. And while he may lack Beverley's passion, if only because no other player in the league can match that, he seems to have some leadership qualities that will do well in our locker room.

So here's what I think in regards to a trade package, and note that the Celtics recently made a trade to get under the luxury tax, so I am not entirely sure if this messes it up, but it is another reason why I am thinking this move happens in the offseason after the playoffs.

MIN OUT: Malik Beasely, Jordan McLaughlin
MIN IN: Marcus Smart, Peyton Pritchard, 2023 heavily protected 1st

Will justify the idea for the Celtics by talking about JMac first... The last time the Wolves played, I listened to this Celtics YouTube post game show which I quite enjoy.. They were all enamored with McLaughlin and though the Celitcs beat reporters didn't say it at the time, they all seemingly would love to have him on the team. All they've talked about this season is how the Celtic needs a floor-general point guard that can orchestrate the offense, as the only guys they have to play that role are Schroeder and Smart. The problem is that Schroeder doesn't have much of a pass-first mindset and Smart isn't really a true PG, at least on the offensive end. McLaughlin would seem to give the Celtics a true PG at a cheap price point, so I can see the desire there.

As far as Beasely, not much to say. He provides shooting which the Celtics desperately need, outside a playmaking PG. A lot of the reason Jason Tatum, is having a down year is because teams can focus all their attention on him, as he doesn't have a trusted outlet when Brown isn't on the floor with him.. Adding Beasely would give Celtics a premier three-point shooter at a reasonable cost.

As far as the Wolves, bringing in Smart would mean the Wolves would not have to fret over giving an aging Beverley a multi-year contract for his on-floor production. Worst case scenario, Smart would be a net neutral replacement for Beverley's production. Smart might not shoot the three at Beverley's rate, but in every other area Smart matches up well with Beverley. Not only that, but Smart hasn't been injury prone this season, and so he can be trusted to be on the floor more.

And while I don't love Smart's contract, I don't see the Wolves bringing in a third max guy to round out the roster, so I would think that getting Smart long-term sets us up nicely to give guys like Nowell a bigger contract, not to mention McDaniels and Ant when their time comes.

As far as Peyton Pritchard, he gives a pure shooter to replace Beasely. And while I don't expect Pritchard to match Beasely's production or minutes anytime soon, adding a three-point shooter never hurts, especially when you are giving up a guy like Beasely in the process.

...

Overall, seems like a trade both teams would benefit from. Wolves get a D-first vet locked up long-term to complement our core 3. And the Wolves still have a ton of cap flexibility to resign Prince to a reasonable contract. Because Smart and Pritchard's salaries essentially match Beasely and McLaughlin, the Wolves would still have a ton of cap space if they did this trade..

It just makes a lot of sense for both sides.


They are demanding a first from us, they are not going to give us a first. JMAC had a terrible season up till about a week ago. Pritchard had a terrible beginning and current stretch, but a very solid few weeks during his Covid replacement minutes. All in all they are probably a one for one swap, they won’t give us a first for JMAC.

Thanks for catching that! I had meant to signal that a FRP would be from us going to the Celtics. I agree we would owe a first in this trade, and I would be willing to give one up to make it happen
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Post#1806 » by winforlose » Mon Feb 7, 2022 7:02 pm

MPLSwolves wrote:
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MPLSwolves wrote:As a Boston resident who hears a lot about the Celtics, Im talking myself into a Smart trade, but not until the offseason...

My hesitation with adding Smart is that we already have two guards in D'Lo and Ant that will play significant minutes next season and beyond (I think the Wolves end up giving D'Lo an extension this offseason), so bringing in Smart as your fourth highest paid player doesn't make a ton of sense.

But then you look at Beverley's role and it does seem like Smart could seamlessly come in and fill that void. This is where my ignorance comes in. I know that Smart is known for his D, but I always thought he got that recognition because he could truly guard 1-4... I think what the Wolves need, and values, is a perimeter ball stopper... If Smart does that at a high level, then yeah he is probably worth the contract.

Compared to Beverley, Smart is on our age timeline and he is not as injury prone.. And while he may lack Beverley's passion, if only because no other player in the league can match that, he seems to have some leadership qualities that will do well in our locker room.

So here's what I think in regards to a trade package, and note that the Celtics recently made a trade to get under the luxury tax, so I am not entirely sure if this messes it up, but it is another reason why I am thinking this move happens in the offseason after the playoffs.

MIN OUT: Malik Beasely, Jordan McLaughlin
MIN IN: Marcus Smart, Peyton Pritchard, 2023 heavily protected 1st

Will justify the idea for the Celtics by talking about JMac first... The last time the Wolves played, I listened to this Celtics YouTube post game show which I quite enjoy.. They were all enamored with McLaughlin and though the Celitcs beat reporters didn't say it at the time, they all seemingly would love to have him on the team. All they've talked about this season is how the Celtic needs a floor-general point guard that can orchestrate the offense, as the only guys they have to play that role are Schroeder and Smart. The problem is that Schroeder doesn't have much of a pass-first mindset and Smart isn't really a true PG, at least on the offensive end. McLaughlin would seem to give the Celtics a true PG at a cheap price point, so I can see the desire there.

As far as Beasely, not much to say. He provides shooting which the Celtics desperately need, outside a playmaking PG. A lot of the reason Jason Tatum, is having a down year is because teams can focus all their attention on him, as he doesn't have a trusted outlet when Brown isn't on the floor with him.. Adding Beasely would give Celtics a premier three-point shooter at a reasonable cost.

As far as the Wolves, bringing in Smart would mean the Wolves would not have to fret over giving an aging Beverley a multi-year contract for his on-floor production. Worst case scenario, Smart would be a net neutral replacement for Beverley's production. Smart might not shoot the three at Beverley's rate, but in every other area Smart matches up well with Beverley. Not only that, but Smart hasn't been injury prone this season, and so he can be trusted to be on the floor more.

And while I don't love Smart's contract, I don't see the Wolves bringing in a third max guy to round out the roster, so I would think that getting Smart long-term sets us up nicely to give guys like Nowell a bigger contract, not to mention McDaniels and Ant when their time comes.

As far as Peyton Pritchard, he gives a pure shooter to replace Beasely. And while I don't expect Pritchard to match Beasely's production or minutes anytime soon, adding a three-point shooter never hurts, especially when you are giving up a guy like Beasely in the process.

...

Overall, seems like a trade both teams would benefit from. Wolves get a D-first vet locked up long-term to complement our core 3. And the Wolves still have a ton of cap flexibility to resign Prince to a reasonable contract. Because Smart and Pritchard's salaries essentially match Beasely and McLaughlin, the Wolves would still have a ton of cap space if they did this trade..

It just makes a lot of sense for both sides.


They are demanding a first from us, they are not going to give us a first. JMAC had a terrible season up till about a week ago. Pritchard had a terrible beginning and current stretch, but a very solid few weeks during his Covid replacement minutes. All in all they are probably a one for one swap, they won’t give us a first for JMAC.

Thanks for catching that! I had meant to signal that a FRP would be from us going to the Celtics. I agree we would owe a first in this trade, and I would be willing to give one up to make it happen


Smart is a possible move, but honestly I think the wrong one.

1. Bev is older and has the it factor to make younger players follow him. Smart is the same age as KAT and doesn’t have the same history or reputation, I just don’t see him leading.

2. Smart cannot shoot 3s well enough. This is not as a big an issue if MCD is starting for V8 but V8 is so damn good this year he simply must start. With that in mind we need the floor spacing of a shooter like Bev, Smart just doesn’t give that to you.

3. Smart is too expensive relative to our situation. We need to pay Dlo, KAT, eventually Ant, Nowell, Naz, MCD, V8, and potentially more (JO, Leo, ect…) If we are going to overpay it needs to be an impact player, and Smart feels more like a poor man’s Beverly than an impact player.
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Post#1807 » by Klomp » Mon Feb 7, 2022 7:46 pm

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Mattya wrote:I wonder what needs to be added for a Naz for Mo Bamba deal.

I would prefer Naz for PJ Washington because seems like a better fit with Kat and he’s got a year longer on rookie deal and Charlotte could use a promising center like Naz more than Orlando.

Better fit with kat? What’s wrong with vando?

Why does anything have to be wrong with Vanderbilt to want to complement your star player's skill set. Towns and Vanderbilt will never share the floor for 48 minutes a game, so you need players with complementary skills.
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Post#1808 » by Klomp » Mon Feb 7, 2022 7:52 pm

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shrink wrote:I agree, and I’ve been giving this a lot of thought lately. Chris Finch has found a way to balance our five starters to be highly productive together, despite each having some significant flaws. It’s the balance and chemistry overlaps that makes these five go.

So my question would be .. how much better does a player need to be, to replace a current player on our starting line up? For instance, Harrison Barnes is a terrific player, and is more talented overall than Jared Vanderbilt. But if you replace Vando, does the overall group play as well? Does Vando? Would Barnes be willing to come off the bench, even if he closed games?

Same goes for Beverley. He is the other player I see posters kicking out of the starting line up when they make rotations after their fake trades. Personally, I think Beverley impacts not just the game, but the other starters, in a significant way. If we made a deal for Marcus Smart and still had Bev, do you push Pat to the bench?

I’m pretty happy with our starting line up. Those five have a Net Rtg of 29.1, which is tops for any group who’s played 200 or more minutes together. For reference, BOS is #2 at 25, and UTA is #3 at 17, so 29.1 is a huge number. Of course I’d like to see a talent boost before the deadline, but if we save our assets, I’m comfortable with that. Pick up a back up big with the size to bang, and maybe a vet third string PG for injuries, and let’s go.


I love Beverly, but he can be a leader as a sixth man yelling at people off the bench, while we get a better player in the starting lineup. Not to mention how much you risk by him being injury prone as well as a point guard. We still keep our top lineup and add another rooster that can hopefully give us another strong lineup combination.

I don’t know. I heard a podcast about our early success, which marveled at DLo’s +25 Net Rtg, but when they dug deeper on how he got the +25, DLo spent half his minutes with Beverley and he was +50, and half his minutes without him and was virtually 0.

But that was a couple months ago. Maybe DLo has changed. Maybe the team has changed. I just know the team feels .. more in control? .. when Beverley is out there. I think they had a game last week that was slipping away until they put Bev in for the final couple of minutes.

I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m saying I’m a little nervous about doing anything to upset the delicate balance Finch has created. I want to keep savoring for a while.

I remember the stat you are referring to, but I think that was too early in the season to draw grand conclusions from it. We've had solid wins without him in the lineup this season (PHI, BRK, UTA).
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Post#1809 » by D1SGRUNTL3D » Mon Feb 7, 2022 8:03 pm

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Neeva wrote:I would prefer Naz for PJ Washington because seems like a better fit with Kat and he’s got a year longer on rookie deal and Charlotte could use a promising center like Naz more than Orlando.

Better fit with kat? What’s wrong with vando?

Why does anything have to be wrong with Vanderbilt to want to complement your star player's skill set. Towns and Vanderbilt will never share the floor for 48 minutes a game, so you need players with complementary skills.

He said he seems like a better fit with kat than naz is…which naz and kat never play with each other. So if you trade for PJW to play with kat, that shifts vando to the bench which we know he isn’t exactly built to guard bigger 4s and 5s
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Post#1810 » by Klomp » Mon Feb 7, 2022 8:08 pm

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D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:Better fit with kat? What’s wrong with vando?

Why does anything have to be wrong with Vanderbilt to want to complement your star player's skill set. Towns and Vanderbilt will never share the floor for 48 minutes a game, so you need players with complementary skills.

He said he seems like a better fit with kat than naz is…which naz and kat never play with each other. So if you trade for PJW to play with kat, that shifts vando to the bench which we know he isn’t exactly built to guard bigger 4s and 5s

I didn't realize Towns exclusively plays with starters....

You said it. Naz and Towns NEVER play with each other. Adding a player to the bench who has lineup versatility to play with multiple player types is a good thing, yet some of you are too worried about Vanderbilt's ego to care.
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Post#1811 » by Klomp » Mon Feb 7, 2022 8:14 pm

I'm surprised shrink either forgot or just hasn't brought it up, but keep in mind that Minnesota has a $4,750,000 trade exception from the Rubio-Prince swap that could easily be used to add someone to the roster without giving anyone up. While I know that might not be likely due to the luxury tax, it is still possible. Take the list I posted a page back, only Bagley could not be acquired for free from that list.
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Post#1812 » by wolves_89 » Mon Feb 7, 2022 8:21 pm

The Hornets are looking for a center and Naz seems like he would fit pretty well there. I'd call them up and make an offer for PJ Washington.

MIN out: Naz Reid, Jake Layman, 2nd
CHA out: PJ Washington

Then go and sign Greg Monroe for the rest of the season (or trade Okogie for a bench center).
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Post#1813 » by winforlose » Mon Feb 7, 2022 8:23 pm

Klomp wrote:I'm surprised shrink either forgot or just hasn't brought it up, but keep in mind that Minnesota has a $4,750,000 trade exception from the Rubio-Prince swap that could easily be used to add someone to the roster without giving anyone up. While I know that might not be likely due to the luxury tax, it is still possible. Take the list I posted a page back, only Bagley could not be acquired for free from that list.


I have been saying give 2 2nds to get Paul Reed. He is a non rotation player for Philly but could become our backup C or at least good 3rd string depth. Especially good if we plan to move Naz this season or next.
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Post#1814 » by _AIJ_ » Mon Feb 7, 2022 8:38 pm

Any love for Buddy Hield coming off the bench?
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Post#1815 » by wolves_89 » Mon Feb 7, 2022 8:42 pm

_AIJ_ wrote:Any love for Buddy Hield coming off the bench?


Who would the Wolves trade for Hield? I'd rather have Beasley on his contract than Buddy on his. Based on the past few weeks, I wouldn't trade Prince for Hield (Prince provides a ton more on the defensive end). Beverley for Hield is a non-starter. I just don't see any trade that would work financially and actually make the Wolves better.
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Post#1816 » by Klomp » Mon Feb 7, 2022 9:35 pm

I feel like we're going to be the third wheel in a semi-significant trade, like perhaps Sabonis to Washington. Wizards don't have the necessary cap relief Indiana wants. For example, I could see Prince for Kuzma or something along those lines, with Prince rerouted to Indiana as an expiring contract.
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Post#1817 » by winforlose » Mon Feb 7, 2022 9:57 pm

Klomp wrote:I feel like we're going to be the third wheel in a semi-significant trade, like perhaps Sabonis to Washington. Wizards don't have the necessary cap relief Indiana wants. For example, I could see Prince for Kuzma or something along those lines, with Prince rerouted to Indiana as an expiring contract.


Kuzma would be a good pick up, but I am not sure we go that low impact. Gupta will want something big to try and hang his hat on. That move while useful is not the splash I think he needs. I am also curious what Taylor will mandate (for example no lottery tax even if it gets the 5th seed. He is probably overseeing Gupta every step of the way.)
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Post#1818 » by shangrila » Mon Feb 7, 2022 10:12 pm

Why are Smart and Beverley mutually exclusive?
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Post#1819 » by winforlose » Mon Feb 7, 2022 10:19 pm

shangrila wrote:Why are Smart and Beverley mutually exclusive?


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Post#1820 » by shrink » Mon Feb 7, 2022 10:30 pm

One thing to keep in mind when we make fake trades is that it is very unlikely MIN will go into the tax this year.

For those that don’t know, the CBA rules are that the NBA Head Office collects all the luxury taxes, divides that number in half, and then gives every team that stayed below the lux an equal share. Normally that share can be about $2-3 million, but this year, with several teams far over the lux, that share is close to $10 million dollars!

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