Trade Talk (Part Six)

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[Norseman79]

For the love of all things, Simmons is considered a top 20-30 player in the league, if not higher. He is still young. If we could land him for Beasley and our top 3 pick, that is a no brainer. To everyone that says we should hold on to that pick...then why not trade Kat and Russell? If you want a core of Ant, JMac and (Cade, Mobley, Suggs, Green), then why not trade players who are on max deals, who could get you a good return, and build around the young core?

Honestly, I have gone back and forth on those ideas...I think if we end up with a top 2 pick, we will take Mobley or Cunningham...but if we land the 3 and Mobley doesn't slide, I am sure it is gone. However, if Simmons is available and it costs Rubio, Beasley, and a top 3pick...I may try to milk a few things back like a 2nd or late 1rst or a backup PG...but I take that deal and run

[perik777]

Would a trade of Rubio and Hernangomez for Hortford make sense?

Hortford fills a lot of the needs the wolves have had this season

[bluethunder0005]

I really wish the Wolves could pry Boucher away from Toronto. He's only got 1 year left on his deal before he's a FA and Toronto likely isn't improving their team much so maybe they'd trade him. No idea what it'd cost though.

[Calinks]

For the love of all things, Simmons is considered a top 20-30 player in the league, if not higher. He is still young. If we could land him for Beasley and our top 3 pick, that is a no brainer. To everyone that says we should hold on to that pick...then why not trade Kat and Russell? If you want a core of Ant, JMac and (Cade, Mobley, Suggs, Green), then why not trade players who are on max deals, who could get you a good return, and build around the young core?

Honestly, I have gone back and forth on those ideas...I think if we end up with a top 2 pick, we will take Mobley or Cunningham...but if we land the 3 and Mobley doesn't slide, I am sure it is gone. However, if Simmons is available and it costs Rubio, Beasley, and a top 3pick...I may try to milk a few things back like a 2nd or late 1rst or a backup PG...but I take that deal and run

I don't know man, Simons is looking like a massive liability in the playoffs. That said, I suppose the situation here would be different. He wouldn't be the PF, he could play the 3 and regardless he would definitely make us a better regular-season team. I've wanted to stay away from Simmons but thinking about it, you many be on to something. Shooting seems super key for our team but he's so talented elsewhere and he will have shooters around him. Hmmmm I don't know.

[Domejandro]

Would a trade of Rubio and Hernangomez for Hortford make sense?

Hortford fills a lot of the needs the wolves have had this season

The time to make that trade would have been before Boston traded for him.

[perik777]

Would a trade of Rubio and Hernangomez for Hortford make sense?

Hortford fills a lot of the needs the wolves have had this season

The time to make that trade would have been before Boston traded for him.

Boston could have interest in Rubio.

I dont see OKC chasing Rubio

[karch34]

I'd do Rubio for Tristan Thompson. Think with the TPE we don't have to match salary so we'd save about $8m against cap and have room (or close to) for the MLE.

[Calinks]

The more I think about the more I like the Ben Simmons thing. He could be interchangeable at the 1-3. Him, KAT, and defensive PF or Center I think could cover for lot of the defensive issues. Dlo has some strengths as a defender even though he mostly sucks, he may be able to get deflections and the like. Edwards could grow a lot as a defender in one season.

Ben can't shoot but he can still score and he should get a lot of looks. As for Philly I think this is a pretty nice deal, Beasley would be amazing on their squad, imagine Beasley and Curry draining in three's, big shooting boost. They could use that pick to draft or maybe move it in a trade for someone like Lowry who would fit a lot better alongside Embiid with his shooting.

The Sixers could be significantly better if they got Lowrey, Beasley, Curry, and a few other tweaks. That's open shots all day, they lose something with defense but I think the offensive boost would be so big it is worth it.

If the wolves make this deal we probably lose out on any way to get an established PF/C next to KAT but we could try to find a guy for cheap like McGee who fits the mold of the type of player we need, just a poor man's version. That said we had a hard time getting that low end version this last off-season, no now would come here. We may have to try to find a G-League guy or late pick.

[shrink]

I am uncertain whether I’d trade a top 3 pick in this draft for Simmons. I wrote this earlier today.

I don’t know how I feel about it, to be honest.

The big advantage KAT brings is that he can’t be guarded by a slow big guy, because of his three point shooting. He also can’t be guarded by a quicker, smaller player, because he can back him down and has all the moves near the basket. The previous plan was to play with him as the only big, so that the opposing team doesn’t have any place to hide their big, slow defender. For example, I used to point out in the previous year, how after losing to MIN, UTA was forced to play Gobert man-to-man on KAT. This year, MIN went 3-0 against the Jazz. UTA is a far superior team - MIN is just a bad match up for them. If MIN added a big who can’t shoot three’s, it might give back all of the match up advantage KAT brings, so I disagree that Simmons “unlocks” Towns (though KAT surely helps unlock Simmons).

On the other hand, MIN is dreadful at many of the things Simmons does well. Rosas said the Wolves need help defensively, particularly rim protection and help against the pick-and-roll, and needs help rebounding, and Simmons can do all those things. Put him at the dunker spot and he would certainly balance the Wolves greatly - but at the cost of MIN’s only true advantage. He’s also good friends with KAT and DLo.

Lastly, I am very high on this draft. I don’t necessarily agree that MIN (and especially Rosas) would trade a top 3 pick in this draft for a Simmons. Rosas’ greatest strength is draft talent evaluation, and I think there are potential franchise changers in this draft, and as much as I like Simmons, I think his flaws keep him from franchise status. On the other hand, we don’t know if Rosas is feeling pressure (externally and internally?) to win now and can’t be patient?

Regardless, PHI shouldn’t be looking for picks now anyway. They have the talent to win a championship.

[Calinks]

I am uncertain whether I’d trade a top 3 pick in this draft for Simmons. I wrote this earlier today.

I don’t know how I feel about it, to be honest.

The big advantage KAT brings is that he can’t be guarded by a slow big guy, because of his three point shooting. He also can’t be guarded by a quicker, smaller player, because he can back him down and has all the moves near the basket. The previous plan was to play with him as the only big, so that the opposing team doesn’t have any place to hide their big, slow defender. For example, I used to point out in the previous year, how after losing to MIN, UTA was forced to play Gobert man-to-man on KAT. This year, MIN went 3-0 against the Jazz. UTA is a far superior team - MIN is just a bad match up for them. If MIN added a big who can’t shoot three’s, it might give back all of the match up advantage KAT brings, so I disagree that Simmons “unlocks” Towns (though KAT surely helps unlock Simmons).

On the other hand, MIN is dreadful at many of the things Simmons does well. Rosas said the Wolves need help defensively, particularly rim protection and help against the pick-and-roll, and needs help rebounding, and Simmons can do all those things. Put him at the dunker spot and he would certainly balance the Wolves greatly - but at the cost of MIN’s only true advantage. He’s also good friends with KAT and DLo.

Lastly, I am very high on this draft. I don’t necessarily agree that MIN (and especially Rosas) would trade a top 3 pick in this draft for a Simmons. Rosas’ greatest strength is draft talent evaluation, and I think there are potential franchise changers in this draft, and as much as I like Simmons, I think his flaws keep him from franchise status. On the other hand, we don’t know if Rosas is feeling pressure (externally and internally?) to win now and can’t be patient?

Regardless, PHI shouldn’t be looking for picks now anyway. They have the talent to win a championship.

Good post. Yea it's tough, my instant reaction was no to Simmons but when I think about it, he does bring a lot to this team and is a left star. I don't think he would be what we need to be in contention talks but I do think he would make us significantly better right away, particularly in the regular season. We upgrade but do we put a hard cap on our ceiling? I think its a trade that would take a lot of consideration.

I do think we need to start winning now, we can't wait around for another couple of terrible seasons unless we decide to move on from KAT and Dlo and start over with Edwards.

[Neeva]

Simmons continues to be absurdly overated on this forum lol
I love that Philly fans are fed up with Princess Simmons.

[SO_MONEY]

I am uncertain whether I’d trade a top 3 pick in this draft for Simmons. I wrote this earlier today.

I don’t know how I feel about it, to be honest.

The big advantage KAT brings is that he can’t be guarded by a slow big guy, because of his three point shooting. He also can’t be guarded by a quicker, smaller player, because he can back him down and has all the moves near the basket. The previous plan was to play with him as the only big, so that the opposing team doesn’t have any place to hide their big, slow defender. For example, I used to point out in the previous year, how after losing to MIN, UTA was forced to play Gobert man-to-man on KAT. This year, MIN went 3-0 against the Jazz. UTA is a far superior team - MIN is just a bad match up for them. If MIN added a big who can’t shoot three’s, it might give back all of the match up advantage KAT brings, so I disagree that Simmons “unlocks” Towns (though KAT surely helps unlock Simmons).

On the other hand, MIN is dreadful at many of the things Simmons does well. Rosas said the Wolves need help defensively, particularly rim protection and help against the pick-and-roll, and needs help rebounding, and Simmons can do all those things. Put him at the dunker spot and he would certainly balance the Wolves greatly - but at the cost of MIN’s only true advantage. He’s also good friends with KAT and DLo.

Lastly, I am very high on this draft. I don’t necessarily agree that MIN (and especially Rosas) would trade a top 3 pick in this draft for a Simmons. Rosas’ greatest strength is draft talent evaluation, and I think there are potential franchise changers in this draft, and as much as I like Simmons, I think his flaws keep him from franchise status. On the other hand, we don’t know if Rosas is feeling pressure (externally and internally?) to win now and can’t be patient?

Regardless, PHI shouldn’t be looking for picks now anyway. They have the talent to win a championship.

Ben Simmons isn't all that good, his limitations mixed with his contract reduce his value significantly. He is not getting a top 3 pick, top 10 is in question. The fact is you can't have a player like him making 30mil and win, he is nearing negative value any time now.

[Neeva]

Yep he will be an expensive 4th option on offense, and is a complete anchor in the playoffs.

[Klomp]

Simmons is a perimeter player who can't shoot in a shooters league.

Maybe that's part of the problem. Why does Simmons have to be considered only a perimeter player? I think people are thinking too limited with him. Look how Boris Diaw's career grew when he moved from PG to PF. Simmons is starting at a higher level than Diaw ever was, but I think he could improve in a similar way.

[SO_MONEY]

Simmons is a perimeter player who can't shoot in a shooters league.

Maybe that's part of the problem. Why does Simmons have to be considered only a perimeter player? I think people are thinking too limited with him. Look how Boris Diaw's career grew when he moved from PG to PF. Simmons is starting at a higher level than Diaw ever was, but I think he could improve in a similar way.

Goodie, he "could" improve...no thanks. Dude is paid like a superstar and he isn't.

[Norseman79]

Simmons damn near averages a triple double, with great defense. I get it, he can't shoot. He doesn't need to to impact winning. All we have heard is that we need a good defensive and rebounding 4 to pair with Kat. Simmons is an exceptional athlete, and at 6'10+, 240lbs+, rebounds, passes, guards 1-5 and can facilitate as well as go coast to coast....all at 24 years old. GTFOOH with the "he isn't what we need" or "I'd rather keep a top 3 pick." If you are a Kat and DLo fan, Simmons is the guy you want to get them to the playoffs.

I can just imagine all these people whining if Portland ends up with Simmons to pair with Lillard and company.. or in Dallas with Luca... Or any of several other West Coast teams that would immediately become significantly better with him.

[Neeva]

Wolves cant have dlo and simmons both with those absurd contracts lol I was assuming sending a top 3 pick means dlo going out as well lol

[Neeva]

Simmons damn near averages a triple double, with great defense. I get it, he can't shoot. He doesn't need to to impact winning. All we have heard is that we need a good defensive and rebounding 4 to pair with Kat. Simmons is an exceptional athlete, and at 6'10+, 240lbs+, rebounds, passes, guards 1-5 and can facilitate as well as go coast to coast....all at 24 years old. GTFOOH with the "he isn't what we need" or "I'd rather keep a top 3 pick." If you are a Kat and DLo fan, Simmons is the guy you want to get them to the playoffs.

I can just imagine all these people whining if Portland ends up with Simmons to pair with Lillard and company.. or in Dallas with Luca... Or any of several other West Coast teams that would immediately become significantly better with him.

As philly fans are saying he is good if you look at the boxscore and ignore the freethrow stats. He also plays well up till the all star break then he coasts along and sinks in the playoffs, every damn year.