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Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III

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Re: Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III 

Post#1861 » by Susan » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:51 pm

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younggunsmn wrote:Thompson llimited offensively?


Yes. He shoots 3s at an elite level, but he doesn't handle the ball at a high level for a guard, he doesn't pass especially well (more turnovers than assists), and he's doesn't get to the line.

There's a reason that he's consistently had a sub-15 PER.


His statline reminds me of Ben Gordon on the Bulls. People love his height though and hated Gordon's size.
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Re: Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III 

Post#1862 » by Krapinsky » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:53 pm

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younggunsmn wrote:Thompson llimited offensively?


Yes. He shoots 3s at an elite level, but he doesn't handle the ball at a high level for a guard, he doesn't pass especially well (more turnovers than assists), and he's doesn't get to the line.

There's a reason that he's consistently had a sub-15 PER.


His statline reminds me of Ben Gordon on the Bulls. People love his height though and hated Gordon's size.


If Ben Gordon was 6'7" he might be a hall of famer.
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Re: Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III 

Post#1863 » by DarkAzcura » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:53 pm

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DarkAzcura wrote:I can't link to the radio. You either believe my 2007 ears or you don't, and I doubt you will considering your attitude of 'my GM is superior at everything, who cares about those links and perspective of draft position?' it's been common knowledge that Ainge liked Durant better than Oden for 7 years in Boston. It's not new to most people around here.


I am not an OKC fan. I just see Presti has a clearly superior record.

As to the radio interview, your hazy memory of an interview in 2007 is not meaningful evidence, especially when the context and phrasing of what he said could alter it entirely. Did he say "Well, I heard one guy from the Celtics say he'd have been reluctant to draft Oden because of medical concerns?" And if that's what he said, it's not much of a meaningful statement is it. He wasn't GM at the time, and he wouldn't have had access to the medical records, he just happened to be pop by their war room on draft day and got some input from 1-2 insiders who thought maybe the team wouldn't have taken Oden (or so he claims in hindsight, we don't even know if this supposed interview was before or after Oden had microfracture surgery, which was in 2007 too).


My memory isn't hazy. There was a poll after the draft asking NBA GMs who they would have taken with the number 1 pick. 2 said they would have taken Durant. After the draft, Boston radio heads asked Ainge if he was one of the 2. Ainge said yes point blank. He's mentioned it a lot since then obviously also.

Presti's superior track record has netted him exactly zero championships. Again Ainge has done just as well if not better than Presti over the years considering his draft position and the fact that you continually ignore this analysis and statistics shows me all I need to know about your ability to change your mind about something. It's the Internet, though so what's new.

And what in the world are you talking about. Ainge has been running the Celtics since 2003. Again how can your opinion about this even be taken seriously when you have no idea how long Ainge has been running the Celtics. Everything he did in terms of asset collection and contract clearing led to 2007 with Allen and KG. You were seriously telling me Ainge has made 5x the mistakes Presti has when you didn't even know how long he's been running the Celtics? That's not a small point. Give me a break.
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Re: Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III 

Post#1864 » by AQuintus » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:53 pm

Krapinsky wrote:He shoots it all over the floor though. His shot chart is quite impressive.


114/254 (45%) from 16-24 feet and 89/232 (38%) from 8-16 feet.

133/238 (55.88%) at the rim.

so I think you might see his FT rate improve.


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His 1st three years. It's improving, slowly, but it's so low that I wouldn't expect that it will ever be a strength, or even average.

He also doesn't have more turnovers than assists, so that's just wrong.


You're right. I was talking based on memory, and I remembered incorrectly. His 2.3/1.7 assist to turnover ratio is not good for a guard, though.
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Re: Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III 

Post#1865 » by AQuintus » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:58 pm

Susan wrote:His statline reminds me of Ben Gordon on the Bulls. People love his height though and hated Gordon's size.


Except that despite being poor at getting to the line, Gordon still got there at about twice the rate that Thompson does.
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Re: Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III 

Post#1866 » by Baller2014 » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:00 pm

DarkAzcura wrote:My memory isn't hazy. There was a poll after the draft asking NBA GMs who they would have taken with the number 1 pick. 2 said they would have taken Durant. After the draft, Boston radio heads asked Ainge if he was one of the 2. Ainge said yes point blank. He's mentioned it a lot since then obviously also.

Presti's superior track record has netted him exactly zero championships. Again Ainge has done just as well if not better than Presti over the years considering his draft position and the fact that you continually ignore this analysis and statistics shows me all I need to know about your ability to change your mind about something. It's the Internet, though so what's new.

And what in the world are you talking about. Ainge has been running the Celtics since 2003.


Did you read my link (or my post) at all? Ainge was not GM at the time! He was not in a position to make a choice about whether to pass on Oden, because he was not working for the Celtics at the time. Jesus.
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Re: Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III 

Post#1867 » by DarkAzcura » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:00 pm

AQuintus got this on lock. Thanks guy. I was too lazy to quote him and say the same stuff I've been saying before. I'm on my phone so it's hard haha
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Re: Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III 

Post#1868 » by DarkAzcura » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:03 pm

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DarkAzcura wrote:My memory isn't hazy. There was a poll after the draft asking NBA GMs who they would have taken with the number 1 pick. 2 said they would have taken Durant. After the draft, Boston radio heads asked Ainge if he was one of the 2. Ainge said yes point blank. He's mentioned it a lot since then obviously also.

Presti's superior track record has netted him exactly zero championships. Again Ainge has done just as well if not better than Presti over the years considering his draft position and the fact that you continually ignore this analysis and statistics shows me all I need to know about your ability to change your mind about something. It's the Internet, though so what's new.

And what in the world are you talking about. Ainge has been running the Celtics since 2003.


Did you read my link (or my post) at all? Ainge was not GM at the time! He was not in a position to make a choice about whether to pass on Oden, because he was not working for the Celtics at the time. Jesus.


Are you serious right now? Dude.... I mean dude. Ainge has been running the Celtics since 2003. Please stop. You clearly cannot argue seriously about this anymore. This isn't a small point. If you don't even know how long Ainge has been running the Celtics, you can't properly evaluate Ainge. It's done.

I'm a Celtic fan. I don't need a link to tell me how long Ainge has been the GM of the Celtics.
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Re: Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III 

Post#1869 » by Klomp » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:08 pm

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DarkAzcura wrote:Okay buddy. You are clearly not worth arguing with. You are obviously a huge OKC homer or whatever. Ainge actually said he would draft Durant number 1 shortly after the draft in in 2007 on the radio. He didn't hindsight it. Durant was always number 1 for Ainge.

I'm still laughing at you saying Presti is better at everything in such a stern passion like it is some fact. Guy hasn't even been able to win a championship yet because he can't figure out what the issue is with your team, and he's been handed a fresh and young franchise from day 1 where as Ainge had to completely rebuild everything because of how poor the Celtics ownership was before him.

If you thought that Harden trade was actually good, there is clearly no way anyone could talk sense into you.

He's even gotten the Celtics back in talks for a top 10 player because he ripped Brooklyn off last summer. Come on guy.

Link or BS. Even in Ainge's own (2014) words he admits was not even working for the Celtics at the time, and obviously he did not have access to his medical records, so it's utter BS to suggest he knew S#@$
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball ... den_f.html

Look closer. That's Austin Ainge, not Danny, who said that.
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Re: Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III 

Post#1870 » by Baller2014 » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:15 pm

Ok, my bad on the Austin Ainge bit. I had assumed Ainge was on leave when this was happening, given the quotes.

I still call BS on Ainge's claim until I see some evidence of it from the time (particularly whether this poll was taken before or after Oden's surgery was announced).
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Post#1871 » by The Rondo Show » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:16 pm

No big surprise at this point, but Danny Ainge sure doesn't sound like someone on the verge of acquiring Kevin Love or with much hope of acquiring Kevin Love...
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Re: Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III 

Post#1872 » by DarkAzcura » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:18 pm

Baller2014 wrote:Ok, my bad on the Austin Ainge bit. I had assum was only knneave when this was happening, given the quotes.

I still call BS on Ainge's claim until I see some evidence of it from the time (particularly whether this poll was taken before or after Oden's surgery was announced).


Just look up the poll then. It shouldn't be too hard to find. I know it existed. I'm on my phone so I'm a bit lazy.
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Re: Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III 

Post#1873 » by Grits n Gravy » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:19 pm

The Rondo Show wrote:No big surprise at this point, but Danny Ainge sure doesn't sound like someone on the verge of acquiring Kevin Love or with much hope of acquiring Kevin Love...
[tweet]https://twitter.com/celtics/status/482284626292256768[/tweet]

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Post#1874 » by criteriado » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:25 pm

Man, I had some hope until that tweet by the Celtics. This could end badly.
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Re: Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III 

Post#1875 » by bs_and_cs » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:25 pm

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The Rondo Show wrote:No big surprise at this point, but Danny Ainge sure doesn't sound like someone on the verge of acquiring Kevin Love or with much hope of acquiring Kevin Love...
[tweet]https://twitter.com/celtics/status/482284626292256768[/tweet]

:cry: :nonono:


Sorry. I wish we could help you guys who would prefer to rebuild out.

I'd honestly give 2 Brooklyn picks + both Celtics picks this year plus Sully/Olynyk for Love...but Flip isn't buying.
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Re: Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III 

Post#1876 » by Baller2014 » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:26 pm

Ainge's claim is easy to make, especially if it's in hindsight of the surgery, but whether he'd have had the balls to actually do it on draft night is another matter.
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Post#1877 » by funkatron101 » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:30 pm

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Grits n Gravy wrote:
The Rondo Show wrote:No big surprise at this point, but Danny Ainge sure doesn't sound like someone on the verge of acquiring Kevin Love or with much hope of acquiring Kevin Love...
[tweet]https://twitter.com/celtics/status/482284626292256768[/tweet]

:cry: :nonono:


Sorry. I wish we could help you guys who would prefer to rebuild out.

I'd honestly give 2 Brooklyn picks + both Celtics picks this year plus Sully/Olynyk for Love...but Flip isn't buying.

Did you text him, bro? See if that works.
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Re: Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III 

Post#1878 » by HitmanCapone » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:31 pm

Mattya wrote:Not listening but apparently AP Sports Guy says, Philly has called about Love.

What's that 3, 10, Young & Noel for Pek, Martin & Love

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Post#1879 » by East Bay Sports » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:40 pm

C.lupus wrote:If Love + Martin for Thompson + Lee + Barnes + future pick goes down I wonder which fanbase will have the biggest meltdown.


I wouldn't mind the trade at all.
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Post#1880 » by East Bay Sports » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:44 pm

NW wrote:According to Krawcynski on KFAN, the Wolves want the Warriors to make "a sacrifice" - Barnes or the 2015 #1. But Lee/Klay alone won't cut it. Even willing to not put Martin in the deal, but GS needs to come off one of those pieces.

They really want Green (not surprising with the Izzo/Flip connection) but the Warriors are drawing a line in the sand on Green

WHAT! This is my dream scenario! Take Barnes off our hands so we DONT have to take Martin! that is PERFECT!

Green though lol. No. You can't have Green.

Let's just strike the deal. BARNES + KLAY + LEE + 2015 R1 for LOVE and ONLY LOVE

go go go

then we trade for Lin and Parsons.
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