Kevin Love Free Agency/Trade Thread

theGreatRC · Post #1881 » by **theGreatRC** » Fri May 23, 2014 10:58 pm

Do you guys see any scenerios where we can make Love stay? Or is it just a matter of time before he's traded?

Merc_Porto · Post #1882 » by **Merc_Porto** » Fri May 23, 2014 11:03 pm

theGreatRC wrote:Do you guys see any scenerios where we can make Love stay? Or is it just a matter of time before he's traded?

I see one.

Getting R.Wesbrook.

But we provaly need to give away Rubio.

mondry · Post #1883 » by **mondry** » Fri May 23, 2014 11:04 pm

theGreatRC wrote:Do you guys see any scenerios where we can make Love stay? Or is it just a matter of time before he's traded?

Well I think there's always one last hope of doing whatever they possibly can to upgrade the bench and maybe grab Afflalo to replace Martin as the starter and try for a deep playoff run. Maybe Love is set on leaving but if we made the playoffs and won a series and he's legitimately on the fence I could see him staying then.

It's all up to that bolded part though and there is an insane amount of risk that in the end you get nothing. But if we're tanking like everyone suggests anyway it wouldn't be the end of the world to lose your best player.

Ilovethebay · Post #1884 » by **Ilovethebay** » Fri May 23, 2014 11:12 pm

Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread but as a Warriors fan would something like this get it done?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=no3gjfu

In case the link doesn't work it does not include David Lee.

Grits n Gravy · Post #1885 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Fri May 23, 2014 11:50 pm

Ilovethebay wrote:Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread but as a Warriors fan would something like this get it done?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=no3gjfu

In case the link doesn't work it does not include David Lee.

If this offer is in reality there it's very nice to have as a fallback/leverage to a Celtic/Cavs deal. We'd probably look for you to get the best first you could for Lee and a future first from you to send to us. I'm a huge Nemanja Nedovic fan and desperately wanted him with our #26 last year(Nedovic 1 or Gobert 2). I think Nedovic can be a Dragic like player if he tops out or a kind of Reggie Jackson like player.I think talks go nowhere unless Thompson is included and even then we will look to Cleveland/Boston first but again, it's a nice fallback/leverage deal if it was there in reality.

Narf · Post #1886 » by **Narf** » Sat May 24, 2014 4:48 am

theGreatRC wrote:Do you guys see any scenerios where we can make Love stay? Or is it just a matter of time before he's traded?

We could viably get Deng and Aflallo to fill out our starting 5.

Dieng/Pekovic
Love/??
Deng/??
Aflallo/Martin
Rubio/???

Depending on who we trade depends on who's on the bench. But Martin/Aflallo could play 5-10 minutes a game as well and with Pek/Martin on the bench there's plenty of offense. I think Pek off the bench still plays more minutes then Dieng, but Dieng is a better fit as a starter.

trevor0333 · Post #1887 » by **trevor0333** » Sat May 24, 2014 5:01 am

How crazy is a Pek, Rubio, & 13 for Westbrook deal be if it kept Love?

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Takingbaconback · Post #1888 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat May 24, 2014 5:19 am

Can Dieng start at PF? Seems similar to Randolph/Gasol combination... except Dieng and Pek have less range on their jump shots. Adelman was praising about Pek's ability to hit those 14(?) feet jumpers in the beginning of the season, but we didn't really see much of those shots from Pek (surprise surprise Adelman sticking with his old tricks). Wonder if those two can be compatible on offense and defense.

Getting those two, Rubio, and Klay Thompson with Joerger coaching would be a great start for a quick rebuild. They would need to address that SF position, possibly through the draft. I think it is imperative Flip surrounds Rubio with great shooters at 2 and 3 now that Love is gone.

Post #1889 » by **Klomp** » Sat May 24, 2014 5:19 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DarrenWolfson/status/469859622480662531[/tweet]

(Middle ground has to do with Joerger meeting, but I thought the rest applies here)

Post #1890 » by **Klomp** » Sat May 24, 2014 5:22 am

Takingbaconback wrote:Can Dieng start at PF? Seems similar to Randolph/Gasol combination... except Dieng and Pek have less range on their jump shots. Adelman was praising about Pek's ability to hit those 16 feet jumpers in the beginning of the season, but we didn't really see much of those shots from Pek (surprise surprise Adelman sticking with his old tricks). Wonder if those two can be compatible on offense and defense.

Starting Dieng at PF in a league that's seeing more and more stretch fours takes him away from the strength of his game...being a shot-blocking presence in the middle.

Takingbaconback · Post #1891 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat May 24, 2014 5:28 am

Klomp wrote:
Takingbaconback wrote:Can Dieng start at PF? Seems similar to Randolph/Gasol combination... except Dieng and Pek have less range on their jump shots. Adelman was praising about Pek's ability to hit those 16 feet jumpers in the beginning of the season, but we didn't really see much of those shots from Pek (surprise surprise Adelman sticking with his old tricks). Wonder if those two can be compatible on offense and defense.

Starting Dieng at PF in a league that's seeing more and more stretch fours takes him away from the strength of his game...being a shot-blocking presence in the middle.

True but if Wolves can't trade Pek away, maybe he can play an Ibaka role? I'm not sure if he's fast or fluid enough to be that weakside defender as a PF. This Pekovic and Dieng at center dilemma has to be resolved somehow, I think Dieng is too good of a player to be a backup center.

I mean Dieng's got to be a better defender than Love or Zach Randolph at the 4? There were couple glimpses last season when he got switched to a SF, he was able to stay with them and contest the shot. Definitely Dieng would be better being the enforcer though.

Post #1892 » by **Klomp** » Sat May 24, 2014 5:30 am

Takingbaconback wrote:This Pekovic and Dieng at center dilemma has to be resolved somehow, I think Dieng is too good of a player to be a backup center.

So then start him.

Keeping Nikola to less minutes would probably keep him healthier too.

Takingbaconback · Post #1893 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat May 24, 2014 5:34 am

Klomp wrote:
Takingbaconback wrote:This Pekovic and Dieng at center dilemma has to be resolved somehow, I think Dieng is too good of a player to be a backup center.

So then start him.

Keeping Nikola to less minutes would probably keep him healthier too.

Well I guess Flip will have an Asik situation in his hands but even worse in terms of the contract length and injury risk. That sucks, Wolves always seem to have a fatal flaw even when they manage to collect some good talents.

Post #1894 » by **Klomp** » Sat May 24, 2014 5:45 am

Takingbaconback wrote:Well I guess Flip will have an Asik situation in his hands but even worse in terms of the contract length and injury risk. That sucks, Wolves always seem to have a fatal flaw even when they manage to collect some good talents.

I would say its better, actually.

Sure, Pekovic makes more than Asik. But Howard makes considerably more than Dieng. The Rockets paid $28,887,824 to Howard and Asik in 13-14. The Wolves paid Pekovic and Dieng $13,513,480.

By the time Dieng is up for a new contract, Pekovic will be at the end of his deal.

Takingbaconback · Post #1895 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat May 24, 2014 6:03 am

Klomp wrote:
Takingbaconback wrote:Well I guess Flip will have an Asik situation in his hands but even worse in terms of the contract length and injury risk. That sucks, Wolves always seem to have a fatal flaw even when they manage to collect some good talents.

I would say its better, actually.

Sure, Pekovic makes more than Asik. But Howard makes considerably more than Dieng. The Rockets paid $28,887,824 to Howard and Asik in 13-14. The Wolves paid Pekovic and Dieng $13,513,480.

By the time Dieng is up for a new contract, Pekovic will be at the end of his deal.

I think Dieng is up for a new one a year before Pek's contract runs out. Team should be able to maneuver around it but I still don't like Pek's salary as a backup center. As you saw last year, Asik didn't really get enough time to make an impact and lost his rhythm completely. Personally I hope Flip and the coach finds a solution this offseason.

FinnTheHuman · Post #1896 » by **FinnTheHuman** » Sat May 24, 2014 6:10 am

There's no doubt Dieng could play PF next to Pek imo. Especially if Joerger is hired. Just get a PF in the draft/Love trade and you can go for a 3-man rotation + occasional Turiaf.

wildvikeswolves · Post #1897 » by **wildvikeswolves** » Sat May 24, 2014 6:11 am

Klomp wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/DarrenWolfson/status/469859622480662531[/tweet]

(Middle ground has to do with Joerger meeting, but I thought the rest applies here)

You wait that out until they make the pick hoping they come around. If not then jump on the Boston's offer

Post #1898 » by **Klomp** » Sat May 24, 2014 6:14 am

Takingbaconback wrote:As you saw last year, Asik didn't really get enough time to make an impact and lost his rhythm completely.

Howard played the fourth-most minutes of all centers last year. Dieng wouldn't play as many.

Pekovic and Dieng complement each other about as perfectly as a starter and backup can. Why do we want to eliminate a depth advantage at the one position we have it?!

Takingbaconback · Post #1899 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat May 24, 2014 6:19 am

I do think the idea that Dieng and Pek can start is far-fetched but I believe there is huge potential there. Both Dieng and Pek can knock down free throws, are very active on the boards, and pass well as big men. What about this lineup after trading Love for Thompson and Lee?

Rubio
Thompson
McDermott
Dieng
Pekovic

with David Lee, Brewer, Shabazz, Budinger, Turiaf

Trade away Barea and Kevin Martin for a backup PG and a draft pick.

The thinking is Klay Thompson continues to develop and becomes a well rounded scorer without Stephen Curry. McDermott and Thompson gives very wide passing lanes for Rubio, and seeing how they are all known for their basketball IQ, they can execute well even if they aren't the most athletic guys out there. Similar to how CP3, JJ Redick, and Barnes play but even more explosive on offense. The offense will be similar to how grizzlies play around their 4 and 5 but without the weakness of perimeter jump shooting. Both Dieng and Pek are good passers for big men.

Rubio and Dieng are the strong points of the defense. However all the starters minus McDermott are proficient when it comes to man defense. McDermott will be the weak point but he still plays very hard on defense and is an intelligent player. Dieng obviously is best suited to block shots in the paint but there are some positives he brings as a weakside defender as a PF.

David Lee is the most consistent and talented backup wolves had in a long time. I think he could help stabilize that unit with another year from shabazz.

Takingbaconback · Post #1900 » by **Takingbaconback** » Sat May 24, 2014 6:20 am

Klomp wrote:
Takingbaconback wrote:As you saw last year, Asik didn't really get enough time to make an impact and lost his rhythm completely.

Howard played the fourth-most minutes of all centers last year. Dieng wouldn't play as many.

Pekovic and Dieng complement each other about as perfectly as a starter and backup can. Why do we want to eliminate a depth advantage at the one position we have it?!

If Dieng is that good to supplant Pek, I would think he would get a large bulk of the minutes. I just think Dieng and Pek on the floor at the same time could be spectacular.