2017 Draft Thread

Baseline81 · Post #1921 » by **Baseline81** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:59 pm

LeJohn Harden wrote:How would you guys feel about potentially trading the pick for Millsap?

Considering how much Millsap would demand in salary, I would not be in favor of such a trade.

LeJohn Harden · Post #1922 » by **LeJohn Harden** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:02 pm

Millsap is a perfect fit but he's just too expensive.
Same with Ibaka.

Post #1923 » by **Klomp** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:03 pm

MN7725 wrote:
wolves_89 wrote:I'm curious if anyone knows why Collins didn't play more minutes. Did he have some injury concern, foul problems, or the coach just didn't play him?

Gonzaga had a championship team with good players ahead of him

Great senior C

Yup, Collins' freshman upside was hurt by the fact Przemek Karnowski decided to stay for his senior season, though really, going against him every day in practice could ultimately be a benefit.

Here's a good writeup on him: http://www.nba.com/article/2017/06/19/gonzaga-zach-collins-develops-nba-prospect

the_bruce · Post #1924 » by **the_bruce** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:03 pm

After watching the wolves presser I'm pretty sure we end up with Isaac or Z. Collins. I think isaac will be gone by #7. Both these guys tick the "Shot blocking and shooting" box. Both Rebound too. Collins is really quick on his feet for a guy his size. Really consistent stroke too if you watch his workout video

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the_bruce · Post #1925 » by **the_bruce** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:04 pm

Baseline81 wrote:
LeJohn Harden wrote:How would you guys feel about potentially trading the pick for Millsap?

Considering how much Millsap would demand in salary, I would not be in favor of such a trade.

too old to much $$$

Post #1926 » by **Klomp** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:07 pm

MN7725 wrote:
TwolvesFanRome wrote:Actually I can't believe that this man can fall at #10 or below...

https://youtu.be/4Ly5yzDL5Wk

He seems to me a better fit (Def/Reb) than Mark...even though he has not the offensive skill of Mark (I love Mark for his offensive profile)...

Anyway he can stretch the floor...I am wrong?

Attempted 21 colleges 3s

Maybe? Maybe not?

74% on FT, which is good predictive
But totally unknown

I don't think you'll see him chucking 3s, but I think he can hit them if needed. Certainly shouldn't be much worse than Dieng in that aspect.

Dewey · Post #1927 » by **Dewey** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:08 pm

just need to move the Rube to Dallas for their pick ... Draft and/or trade 7 & 9

TwolvesFanRome · Post #1928 » by **TwolvesFanRome** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:12 pm

After the work out video: EASY PICK #7

ahahahahaha Amazing how change every day my personal feeling about this draft

Maefteda · Post #1929 » by **Maefteda** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:19 pm

People talking themselves into Zach Collins reminds me of Noah Vonleh a couple of years ago. They can seemingly do everything, but aren't quite good at anything yet, but because they got limited playing time and no one could nitpick their game during the season, their hype gets blown up right before the draft.

Post #1930 » by **Klomp** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:25 pm

Maefteda wrote:People talking themselves into Zach Collins reminds me of Noah Vonleh a couple of years ago. They can seemingly do everything, but aren't quite good at anything yet, but because they got limited playing time and no one could nitpick their game during the season, their hype gets blown up right before the draft.

Or it could be the limited playing time hid the true potential of what said prospect could become, like Zach LaVine or Myles Turner

Dewey · Post #1931 » by **Dewey** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:26 pm

Maefteda wrote:People talking themselves into Zach Collins reminds me of Noah Vonleh a couple of years ago. They can seemingly do everything, but aren't quite good at anything yet, but because they got limited playing time and no one could nitpick their game during the season, their hype gets blown up right before the draft.

haha true ... the one thing intruiging was Collins raised his level/competitiveness/toughness of play into the tournament. Nice, but I still dont know that I would take him @ 7 ... 50/50 @ 9 ... seems about a lock for that 12-15 slot.

Baseline81 · Post #1932 » by **Baseline81** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:32 pm

Dewey wrote:haha true ... the one thing intruiging was Collins raised his level/competitiveness/toughness of play into the tournament. Nice, but I still dont know that I would take him @ 7 ... 50/50 @ 9 ... seems about a lock for that 12-15 slot.

Agree.

What is Collins' upside? To me, maybe I'm wrong, but I do not see him ever becoming an all-star.

When you have the no. 7 pick in a "historic" draft (Layden's words, not mine) trading it for the Gonzaga forward isn't what I had in mind.

Maefteda · Post #1933 » by **Maefteda** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:34 pm

Klomp wrote:
Maefteda wrote:People talking themselves into Zach Collins reminds me of Noah Vonleh a couple of years ago. They can seemingly do everything, but aren't quite good at anything yet, but because they got limited playing time and no one could nitpick their game during the season, their hype gets blown up right before the draft.

Or it could be the limited playing time hid the true potential of what said prospect could become, like Zach LaVine or Myles Turner

LaVine's athleticism and Turner's length were obvious strengths. Turner would have gone a lot higher if it wasn't for questions around his body/running style. There were a lot of injury worries with him.

Sure, Collins might turn out to be good, but I can't see a single reason to draft him like I would LaVine or Turner. I did have doubts about us picking LaVine though and he turned out great, so I'll happily be wrong if we go for Collins.

Post #1934 » by **Klomp** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:46 pm

Actually, a better comp I'd make for Collins is Gorgui Dieng with upside. Some of you will hate that comp, but I see quite a few similarities.

Foye · Post #1935 » by **Foye** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:50 pm

Not sure what the point of trading back would be. We need a guy with all-star talent regardless of position. You are not improving your chances by trading down.

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TheProdigy · Post #1936 » by **TheProdigy** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:51 pm

Klomp wrote:Actually, a better comp I'd make for Collins is Gorgui Dieng with upside. Some of you will hate that comp, but I see quite a few similarities.

It seems like Collins is more coordinated and nimble than Dieng though. Otherwise its a good comp.

Biggsohnasty · Post #1937 » by **Biggsohnasty** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:17 pm

Not a fan of Collins in the slightest.

I have a feeling he's a guy that will get drafted high and in four years, be stuck on the end of a bench somewhere.

Nothing in his game screams "special" to me and beyond that I just don't see what he'll do at the NBA level that makes him even starter quality.

He scored 41 points in 6 games against Iowa State, Florida, St. Mary's (3X) and Tennessee.

Averaged 9 points and 7 rebounds plus 3.3 fouls in 18 mpg in the NCAA tourney.

Don't see his perceived upside.

MN7725 · Post #1938 » by **MN7725** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:54 pm

My unfortunate draft prediction is that Orl will draft and then trade Isaac to Denver

Nick K · Post #1939 » by **Nick K** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:43 pm

Klomp wrote:
Maefteda wrote:People talking themselves into Zach Collins reminds me of Noah Vonleh a couple of years ago. They can seemingly do everything, but aren't quite good at anything yet, but because they got limited playing time and no one could nitpick their game during the season, their hype gets blown up right before the draft.

Or it could be the limited playing time hid the true potential of what said prospect could become, like Zach LaVine or Myles Turner

I think you might be right there Klomp. I'm warming up to Z Collins but I'm just concerned about his defense and rebounding. I just haven't seen enough of him against good players.

Murphs56 · Post #1940 » by **Murphs56** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:02 pm

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