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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1921 » by Norseman79 » Thu Feb 4, 2021 3:20 pm

Wolveswin wrote:Here is an interesting one for those who like quantity 1sts when trading Towns. Rockets.

They have a large negative contract in Wall, so Russell can be swapped. They are owed a ton of 1sts. They are playing well and just outside of playoffs and Towns — paired with Wood — might just be star trade Rockets would want for playoff push. And they owe own future 1sts to OKC, getting a proven-young-locked-in-star has to be appealing.

Wolves:
Towns + Russell + Layman
FOR

Wall
Tucker (expiring, 3rd team?)
Exum (expiring)
2021 Rockets 1st (some swaps owed, right now #13)
2021 Blazers 1st (lotto protected, right now #20)
2021 Pistons 1st (lotto protected, most likely 2025+)
2022 Nets 1st (unprotected)
2022 Bucks 1st (unprotected)
2022 Rockets 1st Swap (Wolves get best 3 of own, Rockets, Bucks, Nets...Rockets get worst)
2023 Wizards 1st (lotto protected)
2023 Rockets and Nets 1st Swap
2024 Nets 1st (unprotected)
2025 Rockets and Nets 1st Swap (protected)
2026 Nets 1st (unprotected)
2027 Nets 1st Swap (unprotected)

Has to be some combination in there that gets Wolves to say yes to sending them Towns.

Towns
Wood
House
Dipo
Russell
Gordon (6th)


Definitely an interesting thought. Be funny to watch Houston basically scrap Harden and small ball and become a threat in the west.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1922 » by Wolveswin » Thu Feb 4, 2021 4:41 pm

Norseman79 wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:Here is an interesting one for those who like quantity 1sts when trading Towns. Rockets.

They have a large negative contract in Wall, so Russell can be swapped. They are owed a ton of 1sts. They are playing well and just outside of playoffs and Towns — paired with Wood — might just be star trade Rockets would want for playoff push. And they owe own future 1sts to OKC, getting a proven-young-locked-in-star has to be appealing.

Wolves:
Towns + Russell + Layman
FOR

Wall
Tucker (expiring, 3rd team?)
Exum (expiring)
2021 Rockets 1st (some swaps owed, right now #13)
2021 Blazers 1st (lotto protected, right now #20)
2021 Pistons 1st (lotto protected, most likely 2025+)
2022 Nets 1st (unprotected)
2022 Bucks 1st (unprotected)
2022 Rockets 1st Swap (Wolves get best 3 of own, Rockets, Bucks, Nets...Rockets get worst)
2023 Wizards 1st (lotto protected)
2023 Rockets and Nets 1st Swap
2024 Nets 1st (unprotected)
2025 Rockets and Nets 1st Swap (protected)
2026 Nets 1st (unprotected)
2027 Nets 1st Swap (unprotected)

Has to be some combination in there that gets Wolves to say yes to sending them Towns.

Towns
Wood
House
Dipo
Russell
Gordon (6th)


Definitely an interesting thought. Be funny to watch Houston basically scrap Harden and small ball and become a threat in the west.

One could type up same kind of trade with OKC.

Russell for Horford swap — they see if SGA and Russell can work (and no, SGA would never be part of OKC for Towns trade package).

We know they have plenty of draft capital.

I just don’t want Rosas negotiating with Presti. Wolves might end up with a ham sandwich.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1923 » by Neeva » Thu Feb 4, 2021 5:00 pm

Wouldn’t be different than all of your wolves/towns trades.....
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Post#1924 » by Klomp » Thu Feb 4, 2021 9:43 pm

Read on Twitter


Juancho for Nemanja, who says no?!
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1925 » by Norseman79 » Thu Feb 4, 2021 9:55 pm

Klomp wrote:
Read on Twitter


Juancho for Nemanja, who says no?!


The league... isn't there a rule that Juancho can't be traded for a while?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1926 » by Klomp » Thu Feb 4, 2021 10:00 pm

Norseman79 wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Read on Twitter


Juancho for Nemanja, who says no?!


The league... isn't there a rule that Juancho can't be traded for a while?

He can be traded three weeks from now.....trade deadline isn't for another month after that.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1927 » by Norseman79 » Thu Feb 4, 2021 10:02 pm

Gotcha...guess I wouldn't care as Belly is expiring, but would rather package him for a bigger fish
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1928 » by Wolveswin » Thu Feb 4, 2021 11:31 pm

Neeva wrote:Wouldn’t be different than all of your wolves/towns trades.....

The value for star trades has been set by the league. If you don’t like that value, that is your bad taste in your own mouth. But doesn’t change what Towns would fetch as a top 15-25 player. Thinking he will fetch Zion plus 17 picks isn’t healthy expectations (nor real). If Towns is traded, be prepared for a underwhelming sky is falling return (if your expeditions are so high).
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1929 » by Norseman79 » Fri Feb 5, 2021 12:46 am

Wolveswin wrote:
Neeva wrote:Wouldn’t be different than all of your wolves/towns trades.....

The value for star trades has been set by the league. If you don’t like that value, that is your bad taste in your own mouth. But doesn’t change what Towns would fetch as a top 15-25 player. Thinking he will fetch Zion plus 17 picks isn’t healthy expectations (nor real). If Towns is traded, be prepared for a underwhelming sky is falling return (if your expeditions are so high).


My guess is most people would be expecting a Harden like return, plus a few extra perks as age and contract control factor in.

My personal goal is to land Jalen Suggs at all costs, especially if we can dump DLo in the process. This, why I wouldn't trade Towns until after the lottery is set. Also why I want to get a good look at McDaniels to see what we have. Minus DLo and Towns this is what i see us having

PG - Rubio, JMac
SG - Beasley, Nowell, Okoge
SF - Edwards (honestly I want him at the two with Beas as the microwave off the bench), Culver, Layman
PF - Vanderbilt, McDaniels (McDaniels is better than Vanderbilt, but Vanderbilt's hustle and aggression edges him out) Hernangomez
C - Reid, Davis

I wish they would do something about the backup 5, I like Naz, but be nice to have a 7' shotblocking big...sign Patton or trade for someone like Nick Richards etc. Would love Mitchell Robinson, but no way Knicks let him go for what we would offer, unless part of a big deal.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1931 » by Baseline81 » Fri Feb 5, 2021 1:44 am

IceManBK1 wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/nba-rumors-nba-execs-believe-233301923.html

Lavine+Otto+Lauri for Edwards, Rubio, Culver, Layman

Why are we giving up on Edwards again?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1932 » by Macwolf527 » Fri Feb 5, 2021 3:21 am

Jedzz wrote:
Macwolf527 wrote:Now, it’s really about development for our younger players. I know it’s tough as Wolves fans to endure the losses, but fast-forward to the 2021-22 season with a healthy Towns (physically and emotionally) and players like Naz, Edwards, Vanderbilt, Nowell and McDaniels having received valuable minutes this year and things should be much brighter.

I’m all for the young guys getting the chance to develop. A bottom playoff spot and a quick first round sweep does not excite me at all. I’d rather shoot for a top 5 playoff spot in 21-22 with a chance to advance, which is reasonable with our young guys getting valuable opportunities to play this season and the off-season to develop. I also trust Rosas to make moves that will add veteran help. The losses are tough, but I like what I’m seeing from a few of our young guys.


I disagree that playing to lose and doing nothing more then drop minutes on young players and sit all vet plans is going to teach them how to be a team capable of top 5 playoff spot in 21-22. Not a chance besides dumb luck.

They can play the roster for wins now, which includes playing the young players the right way where they wisely fit individually. The ones ready for more play more, those not ready for it play less, but still play. This team, after all, doesn't have 5 bonafied proven starters. Which also means they don't have 5 locked in bench players either. There is room to play plenty of these players during the season. I'm not advocating sitting young players for just any vets favor at all. There are some Vets that need to take second or DNP roles at this point. But the point is to put your absolute best foot forward and go for wins and teach this team how to be winners. They have to learn that first long before they are leaping all the way up to top 5 team in 2021. Best get started doing things right/better, right now if that's you goal for timing.

You play it as if trying to win with this group. That tells you what you may still be missing. Make your trades and try to adjust that to get further.


I never said to play to the young players over winning, but our young players are playing better than our vets in this case. I still expect the young players to earn their minutes. My point was that if the young guys are getting minutes, it benefits us in the long run
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1933 » by Jedzz » Fri Feb 5, 2021 5:42 am

Macwolf527 wrote:
Jedzz wrote:
Macwolf527 wrote:Now, it’s really about development for our younger players. I know it’s tough as Wolves fans to endure the losses, but fast-forward to the 2021-22 season with a healthy Towns (physically and emotionally) and players like Naz, Edwards, Vanderbilt, Nowell and McDaniels having received valuable minutes this year and things should be much brighter.

I’m all for the young guys getting the chance to develop. A bottom playoff spot and a quick first round sweep does not excite me at all. I’d rather shoot for a top 5 playoff spot in 21-22 with a chance to advance, which is reasonable with our young guys getting valuable opportunities to play this season and the off-season to develop. I also trust Rosas to make moves that will add veteran help. The losses are tough, but I like what I’m seeing from a few of our young guys.


I disagree that playing to lose and doing nothing more then drop minutes on young players and sit all vet plans is going to teach them how to be a team capable of top 5 playoff spot in 21-22. Not a chance besides dumb luck.

They can play the roster for wins now, which includes playing the young players the right way where they wisely fit individually. The ones ready for more play more, those not ready for it play less, but still play. This team, after all, doesn't have 5 bonafied proven starters. Which also means they don't have 5 locked in bench players either. There is room to play plenty of these players during the season. I'm not advocating sitting young players for just any vets favor at all. There are some Vets that need to take second or DNP roles at this point. But the point is to put your absolute best foot forward and go for wins and teach this team how to be winners. They have to learn that first long before they are leaping all the way up to top 5 team in 2021. Best get started doing things right/better, right now if that's you goal for timing.

You play it as if trying to win with this group. That tells you what you may still be missing. Make your trades and try to adjust that to get further.


I never said to play to the young players over winning, but our young players are playing better than our vets in this case. I still expect the young players to earn their minutes. My point was that if the young guys are getting minutes, it benefits us in the long run


Well I read those words a lot different than what you are saying now. Such as the ones saying you would rather not be a first round exit playoff team if you can instead develop players more now so they can be a top 5 team in 2021-22. I mean it's right there in the quote with that meaning unless I'm reading it wrong. You were saying they can't do both. I'm saying they can and should.
I’m all for the young guys getting the chance to develop. A bottom playoff spot and a quick first round sweep does not excite me at all. I’d rather shoot for a top 5 playoff spot in 21-22 with a chance to advance, which is reasonable with our young guys getting valuable opportunities to play this season


Now, it’s really about development for our younger players. I know it’s tough as Wolves fans to endure the losses, but...


Right now it shouldn't just be about the development of the younger players. Not just. Not even as the largest goal. But their development can coexist with a team of really young Vets who themselves are still developing towards their prime, and they themselves still need to improve with minutes and being in their best positions to succeed.

Russell, still 24, (turns 25 later this month) still needs to develop things. Some of that was supposed to occur, hoped to occur while playing with Towns this season. The pair of them playing together getting each other to buy in more than they ever had in the past on both ends and leadership. Problem is, Towns hasn't been playing to help make this work as planned for Dlo's needed development. People going crazy on him right now are forgetting this entirely and just raining hate.

Towns, is 25. See above.

Beasley, is 24 and will be until November. He's not in his prime yet and he's developing right infront of our eyes yet.
Juancho, is 25. Layman, is 26, and both these guys have existed on meager roles prior to coming here. They still have so much to learn.

Who did I forget? They are all young in comparison to who they are playing against. Rubio and Davis might be the elders right? They have roles to play. One part of it is playing their best to show these kids how you go about that, show them how to prepare for games, or how to make use of your downtime, how to recover, hopefully how to rebound during bad moments in games instead of freak out for blowouts. Granted, blowouts are happening. But...young KIDS are eating up huge chunks of minutes here already, you know? This is why Lebron likes to cast youngsters out of his team builds. Speaking of Lebron, he's playing better well rounded basketball than he really ever has these past two seasons. He used to need 3-4 Stars and then great role players too around him and it was still a questionmark in the playoffs. Now it's just two guys and one ready to retire and unknowns and his team rolls over others. The reason to bring it up is because he's even grown immensely while in his 30s. We've got players that need to grow by playing yet 9-11 years his junior.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1934 » by old school 34 » Fri Feb 5, 2021 6:21 am

So thinking when KAT comes back...they have maybe 15 to 20 games to show something significant. Or scapegoat right or wrong needs to happen...so top 3 scapegoat options:

Trade Rubio or DLo or fire Saunders....fair or not way the business works.

Rosas obviously makes the call, but he makes that call most likely hearing KAT out. Everyone has said...no way KAT would be good with DLo trade...but if he's told pick one Saunders or DLo....does he for sure pick DLo...not so sure? Picking Saunders & trading DLo at least gives him better chance of getting help (a real pf)...firing Saunders just gives him new HC...& not certain that he feels that helps him as much? Obviously many on the board may disagree with that thought process, but KAT could significantly dictate how that's handled if it comes to that?

Another thought to consider....not that I have any interest in tanking...but if we continue to trend with where we're at...& we'd get to keep pick (top 3)...real good chance that pick is either pg's (Suggs or Cunningham)...so we'd be moving on from DLo at that point, no?

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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1935 » by old school 34 » Fri Feb 5, 2021 6:23 am

Would KAT sign off on DLo for Lavine? And if so, how much more would we need to include (Culver enough)?

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Post#1936 » by Jedzz » Fri Feb 5, 2021 7:04 am

Norseman79 wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:Here is an interesting one for those who like quantity 1sts when trading Towns. Rockets.

They have a large negative contract in Wall, so Russell can be swapped.

.... then houston talk added...random picks that can't all be traded listed


Definitely an interesting thought. Be funny to watch Houston basically scrap Harden and small ball and become a threat in the west.
this WW dude. None of this stuff has any logic. It's all just meant to keep you talking about trading him.

Why would the Wolves want to swap Russell for Wall and be paying him 47 million until the year 2023 when Russell never gets above 31 million and ends at the same exact time. Wall, also known for dribbling entire possessions away only he then either passes late or shoots a brick at worse percentages than Dlo. In fact he's shot 17-18 FGs a game most years. Hits threes at 33%, where Dlo is up at 36%. What could possibly be WW's logic here? There is none, as usual in his quest to move Towns to Warriors and just keep you talking about trading him. His stated logic...because Wall is also a large negative contract so it's a good idea to trade one for a much worse negative contract? That's just as bad as throwing in 5 future pick swaps with a juggernaut franchise that will be picking 25-30 for the next 10 years when you send them Towns. When exactly would you ever choose to swap with them? Or throwing in players a team like the Warriors can't wait to get rid of and tacking on a single frp 5 years into the future. Yeah, now that does it for me. :banghead: Oh but if we could just get our 2021 pick back the franchise would be saved from all this losing! Can't wait to see his next post quoted, not.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1937 » by Jedzz » Fri Feb 5, 2021 7:11 am

old school 34 wrote:So thinking when KAT comes back...they have maybe 15 to 20 games to show something significant. Or scapegoat right or wrong needs to happen...so top 3 scapegoat options:

Trade Rubio or DLo or fire Saunders....fair or not way the business works.

Rosas obviously makes the call, but he makes that call most likely hearing KAT out. Everyone has said...no way KAT would be good with DLo trade...but if he's told pick one Saunders or DLo....does he for sure pick DLo...not so sure? Picking Saunders & trading DLo at least gives him better chance of getting help (a real pf)...firing Saunders just gives him new HC...& not certain that he feels that helps him as much? Obviously many on the board may disagree with that thought process, but KAT could significantly dictate how that's handled if it comes to that?

Another thought to consider....not that I have any interest in tanking...but if we continue to trend with where we're at...& we'd get to keep pick (top 3)...real good chance that pick is either pg's (Suggs or Cunningham)...so we'd be moving on from DLo at that point, no?

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How about just maybe waitng to see those 20 games with Towns play out before imagining 20 ways to blow this thing up before hand? Or thinking about 20 ways to make this thing work with who the team has and pressuring the nitwit running the games to use one of them to improve things. Just spitballing here.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1938 » by Wolveswin » Fri Feb 5, 2021 11:42 am

Norseman79 wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:
Neeva wrote:Wouldn’t be different than all of your wolves/towns trades.....

The value for star trades has been set by the league. If you don’t like that value, that is your bad taste in your own mouth. But doesn’t change what Towns would fetch as a top 15-25 player. Thinking he will fetch Zion plus 17 picks isn’t healthy expectations (nor real). If Towns is traded, be prepared for a underwhelming sky is falling return (if your expeditions are so high).


My guess is most people would be expecting a Harden like return, plus a few extra perks as age and contract control factor in.

My personal goal is to land Jalen Suggs at all costs, especially if we can dump DLo in the process. This, why I wouldn't trade Towns until after the lottery is set. Also why I want to get a good look at McDaniels to see what we have. Minus DLo and Towns this is what i see us having

PG - Rubio, JMac
SG - Beasley, Nowell, Okoge
SF - Edwards (honestly I want him at the two with Beas as the microwave off the bench), Culver, Layman
PF - Vanderbilt, McDaniels (McDaniels is better than Vanderbilt, but Vanderbilt's hustle and aggression edges him out) Hernangomez
C - Reid, Davis

I wish they would do something about the backup 5, I like Naz, but be nice to have a 7' shotblocking big...sign Patton or trade for someone like Nick Richards etc. Would love Mitchell Robinson, but no way Knicks let him go for what we would offer, unless part of a big deal.

Harden offer is a benchmark. For sure.

Sad thing is that offer really sucked. Only part of that deal that is sexy, are the picks 2024 and later. Only hope is Nets age out or player bolt for greener grass.

A collection of poor quantity picks over good quality assets is a franchise killer.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1939 » by Wolveswin » Fri Feb 5, 2021 11:44 am

old school 34 wrote:Would KAT sign off on DLo for Lavine? And if so, how much more would we need to include (Culver enough)?

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Lol Culver + Russell doesn’t get Wolves LaVine’s used jockstrap. That isn’t even a positive value offer and LaVine is positive value. Bulls hang up phone laughing.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Five) 

Post#1940 » by Wolveswin » Fri Feb 5, 2021 11:51 am

old school 34 wrote:So thinking when KAT comes back...they have maybe 15 to 20 games to show something significant. Or scapegoat right or wrong needs to happen...so top 3 scapegoat options:

Trade Rubio or DLo or fire Saunders....fair or not way the business works.

Rosas obviously makes the call, but he makes that call most likely hearing KAT out. Everyone has said...no way KAT would be good with DLo trade...but if he's told pick one Saunders or DLo....does he for sure pick DLo...not so sure? Picking Saunders & trading DLo at least gives him better chance of getting help (a real pf)...firing Saunders just gives him new HC...& not certain that he feels that helps him as much? Obviously many on the board may disagree with that thought process, but KAT could significantly dictate how that's handled if it comes to that?

Another thought to consider....not that I have any interest in tanking...but if we continue to trend with where we're at...& we'd get to keep pick (top 3)...real good chance that pick is either pg's (Suggs or Cunningham)...so we'd be moving on from DLo at that point, no?

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Problem with tanking is Wolves only have a 40% chance at top 3 first if one of bottom 3 teams.

Right now they are tied with a true tanking team for worst record in all of NBA. And if they magically win two in a row, they are still bottom 3. If in that span Heat (who we can all agree is better team they have showed) wins even 1 game, Wolves can win 3 in a row and still be bottom 3.

Wolves need to double their wins now. But even with 10 wins, they will be bottom 5.

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