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Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1921 » by BlacJacMac » Mon Oct 27, 2025 9:15 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:
jpatrick wrote:Defense and PG are the biggest problems. The only PG that makes some sense is Nembhard if the Pacers decide they have enough PGs and go tank this year with Halliburton out. He’s also an excellent, versatile, defender, which can’t hurt on that end.

Dilly, DDV, Rocco - Nembhard
Dilly, Conley, Rocco, Pick - Nembhard

Something like that.

I wish there was a way to flip Randle for a better overall and defensive player, but I don’t see that deal out there at the moment.


I think we could do Dilly/DDV straight up for Nembhard according to Spotrac trade machine. Indy could justify it has DDV is a better fit if Hali is available, and they get an interesting young prospect. Honestly, not even sure if I like the value for MN, but the fit is fantastic. Also this trade could be making the same mistake as the KAT Knicks trade, which is overestimating somebody based on a hot playoff run. Nembhard was a 29% 3 point shooter over 1800+ regular season minutes.


The crazy thing about Nembhard is how consistently ridiculous he is in the Playoffs.

He has over 1300 Playoff minutes and averages of 51/47/79.

Over 7 career playoff series, the worst he's shot for an entire series from 3 is 42%.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1922 » by shrink » Mon Oct 27, 2025 9:32 pm

Klomp wrote:I think Fox is going to be the guy to watch, as the best blend of both teams getting something they value.

Simply put, Fox gives Minnesota a PG. I wish he came a tad bit younger or cheaper, but I do think that's the player type we need to be targeting.

San Antonio does this in order to open up space for their young guards. Randle can still offer playmaking and a veteran presence for a young squad, but doesn't block Castle and Harper in the process. DiVincenzo would bring value to the Spurs, offering shooting and spacing off of Victor and Julius.

Trading Julius and Donte to the Spurs, playing next to Victor would likely lessen any hurt feelings about being traded. I'm not even sure they would need a day or two to adjust like they did coming here. Knowing they get to play with Victor would immediately boost their morale.

I might worry somewhat about Fox's morale because it sounded like San Antonio was his target, but I would be hopeful that going to a contender would be an exciting opportunity for him.

I don’t think Connelly removed a well-paid KAT to replace him with a well-paid Fox.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1923 » by Neeva » Mon Oct 27, 2025 9:35 pm

Fox’s huge contract, injury history and fact his game will probably drop off big time the closer he gets to 30(he turns 28 soon) are all red flags, hope other teams do not bail out the Spurs , fox contract will **** them up.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1924 » by Klomp » Mon Oct 27, 2025 9:41 pm

shrink wrote:I don’t think Connelly removed a well-paid KAT to replace him with a well-paid Fox.

I think there is some positional context required. I think it's harder to pay a center that much because they require more intentionality to ensure they are worth that contract. It's far easier to build a system around a guard.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1925 » by shrink » Yesterday 3:48 am

In today’s podcast, Zach Lowe named the Wolves PG situation as the most worrisome team hole in the NBA.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1926 » by Klomp » Yesterday 4:18 am

shrink wrote:In today’s podcast, Zach Lowe named the Wolves PG situation as the most worrisome team hole in the NBA.

I know we like to dream up big moves, but how big of a move do we really need to make in order to improve the PG position? Remember the impact Conley made when he was traded here, and really it's not like that was a massive move.

Could we get Jaden Ivey for Donte DiVincenzo? Pistons badly need shooting. Definite risk with upcoming RFA though. I would be fine offering Rob as some extra incentive depending on the second piece coming back (Sasser? Reed?). Pistons could also dangle LeVert.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1927 » by younggunsmn » Yesterday 4:59 am

Norseman79 wrote:
shrink wrote:I’ve been making MIN trades here at RealGM for 20 years, and I can’t remember a time when it would be so hard to give up a player. (Maybe we finally have useful guys?)

We can’t give up Ant, he’s the franchise
We can’t give up Randle, he’s our #2, the only player that can get his, and he can playmake
We can’t give up Rudy. Backbone to our defense and boards, and Naz and Randle struggle
We can’t give up Jaden. Ant’s buddy, wants to be here, and we need his length and defense
We can’t give up Naz. Ant’s buddy, loved by the public, and the last two years, benchscoring was a team strength.
We can’t give up Mike. Connelly promised him, and free agents hear of GM’s break promises
We can’t give up DDV. He needs to recover his value, and we need him more with NAW gone
We can’t give up Shannon. We need his cheap multiyear contract

We have a lot of players that are “more valuable to us than you,” so it would be tough to win on value,plus a trade would often just create a new hole to fill.


You aren't wrong, and two consecutive conference finals makes it easy to get complacent. I would argue you can move anyone but Ant, however, you better make damn sure the results are equal to or surpass the previous product.


Honestly we should be willing to move anyone but Ant.

If we move Randle, we need a player with All-Star caliber offense back.
If we move Rudy, we need a plan to fill that hole at Center defensively.

Anyone else can go for a better fit and or longterm upside without disrupting too much.

Teams were lining up for Naz Reid last summer.
DDV has fans in the other front offices and an attractive contract.
Mike is cheap enough to be salary filler.

Any deal has to make the team better though and preferably fill the gaping hole we have at PG, and preferably with a 2 way player.
Mike's ability to chase and defend was a key to our defenses being top 10 the last 2 years, and that ability has been a gaping hole so far this year.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1928 » by shrink » Yesterday 1:33 pm

younggunsmn wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:
shrink wrote:I’ve been making MIN trades here at RealGM for 20 years, and I can’t remember a time when it would be so hard to give up a player. (Maybe we finally have useful guys?)

We can’t give up Ant, he’s the franchise
We can’t give up Randle, he’s our #2, the only player that can get his, and he can playmake
We can’t give up Rudy. Backbone to our defense and boards, and Naz and Randle struggle
We can’t give up Jaden. Ant’s buddy, wants to be here, and we need his length and defense
We can’t give up Naz. Ant’s buddy, loved by the public, and the last two years, benchscoring was a team strength.
We can’t give up Mike. Connelly promised him, and free agents hear of GM’s break promises
We can’t give up DDV. He needs to recover his value, and we need him more with NAW gone
We can’t give up Shannon. We need his cheap multiyear contract

We have a lot of players that are “more valuable to us than you,” so it would be tough to win on value,plus a trade would often just create a new hole to fill.


You aren't wrong, and two consecutive conference finals makes it easy to get complacent. I would argue you can move anyone but Ant, however, you better make damn sure the results are equal to or surpass the previous product.


Honestly we should be willing to move anyone but Ant.

If we move Randle, we need a player with All-Star caliber offense back.
If we move Rudy, we need a plan to fill that hole at Center defensively.

This is my point. Yes, we can trade Gobert, but we’d need to bring back a player that does what Gobert does.

It’s very difficult to upgrade a team that way. If the center on Team B is better, there are few reasons to trade them for Gobert, and we don’t have much incentive to add. Even in a three team trade, why wouldn’t Team C prefer Team B’s center, and cut MIN out. Moreover, even if you manage to bring in a “better” center, the new center doesn’t know the teammates or the system, and they probably don’t have any loyalty to Minnesota, so there is a greater chance they walk for nothing.

With Randle, perhaps you could find another All Star caliber offense player at a different position. However, you lose all the team development value I mentioned with Rudy, and with so many teams in the NBA going big, do we want to turn him into a guard, where we have some depth? Even turning him into a much-needed PG means our third big is forcing Jaden to play big, and if not him .. Leonard Miller? Beringer?

Personally, I feel that the team has needs, but Connelly has somewhat painted us into a corner, reducing flexibility that makes it very difficult to fill those needs.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1929 » by winforlose » Yesterday 2:16 pm

shrink wrote:
younggunsmn wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:
You aren't wrong, and two consecutive conference finals makes it easy to get complacent. I would argue you can move anyone but Ant, however, you better make damn sure the results are equal to or surpass the previous product.


Honestly we should be willing to move anyone but Ant.

If we move Randle, we need a player with All-Star caliber offense back.
If we move Rudy, we need a plan to fill that hole at Center defensively.

This is my point. Yes, we can trade Gobert, but we’d need to bring back a player that does what Gobert does.

It’s very difficult to upgrade a team that way. If the center on Team B is better, there are few reasons to trade them for Gobert, and we don’t have much incentive to add. Even in a three team trade, why wouldn’t Team C prefer Team B’s center, and cut MIN out. Moreover, even if you manage to bring in a “better” center, the new center doesn’t know the teammates or the system, and they probably don’t have any loyalty to Minnesota, so there is a greater chance they walk for nothing.

With Randle, perhaps you could find another All Star caliber offense player at a different position. However, you lose all the team development value I mentioned with Rudy, and with so many teams in the NBA going big, do we want to turn him into a guard, where we have some depth? Even turning him into a much-needed PG means our third big is forcing Jaden to play big, and if not him .. Leonard Miller? Beringer?

Personally, I feel that the team has needs, but Connelly has somewhat painted us into a corner, reducing flexibility that makes it very difficult to fill those needs.


Somewhat? We owe picks in 27, 29, and 31, with swaps in 26, and 30. We cannot touch 28 because we owe 29, and we cannot touch 32 because we owe 31. We have very few trade chips because we didn’t make a move last year and we blew the KAT trade badly. Just like we blew the Rudy trade by overpaying. This is what I have been saying for years. The Dlo trade backed us into a corner and now we are stuck in the corner. Mike will retire and we won’t have the salary to replace him. Dilly and Bones are not gonna be playoff quality this year or next. TSJ and DDV are not PGs and both have depressed value at present. Moving most of the remaining guys will be lateral at best. People praise two WCF appearances, they miss the point. When you push all your chips into the middle and bet the farm you don’t hope for 4th place. Now we will be luckily not to gradually get worse.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1930 » by shrink » Yesterday 2:25 pm

winforlose wrote:
shrink wrote:Personally, I feel that the team has needs, but Connelly has somewhat painted us into a corner, reducing flexibility that makes it very difficult to fill those needs.


Somewhat? We owe picks in 27, 29, and 31, with swaps in 26, and 30. We cannot touch 28 because we owe 29, and we cannot touch 32 because we owe 31. We have very few trade chips because we didn’t make a move last year and we blew the KAT trade badly. Just like we blew the Rudy trade by overpaying. This is what I have been saying for years. The Dlo trade backed us into a corner and now we are stuck in the corner. Mike will retire and we won’t have the salary to replace him. Dilly and Bones are not gonna be playoff quality this year or next. TSJ and DDV are not PGs and both have depressed value at present. Moving most of the remaining guys will be lateral at best. People praise two WCF appearances, they miss the point. When you push all your chips into the middle and bet the farm you don’t hope for 4th place. Now we will be luckily not to gradually get worse.

I said “somewhat” because even though we traded picks, we turned some of their asset value into players, that could be traded.

The problem is that win-now MIN needs the players.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1931 » by Klomp » Yesterday 3:20 pm

Crazy idea....a Donte DiVincenzo for Kyle Anderson trade construct.

Anderson becomes our backup center on defense and our backup point guard on offense.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1932 » by Note30 » Yesterday 4:07 pm

Klomp wrote:Crazy idea....a Donte DiVincenzo for Kyle Anderson trade construct.

Anderson becomes our backup center on defense and our backup point guard on offense.


Sure let's give the Jazz even more talent they can squander or improve with.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1933 » by Note30 » Yesterday 4:11 pm

winforlose wrote:
shrink wrote:
younggunsmn wrote:
Honestly we should be willing to move anyone but Ant.

If we move Randle, we need a player with All-Star caliber offense back.
If we move Rudy, we need a plan to fill that hole at Center defensively.

This is my point. Yes, we can trade Gobert, but we’d need to bring back a player that does what Gobert does.

It’s very difficult to upgrade a team that way. If the center on Team B is better, there are few reasons to trade them for Gobert, and we don’t have much incentive to add. Even in a three team trade, why wouldn’t Team C prefer Team B’s center, and cut MIN out. Moreover, even if you manage to bring in a “better” center, the new center doesn’t know the teammates or the system, and they probably don’t have any loyalty to Minnesota, so there is a greater chance they walk for nothing.

With Randle, perhaps you could find another All Star caliber offense player at a different position. However, you lose all the team development value I mentioned with Rudy, and with so many teams in the NBA going big, do we want to turn him into a guard, where we have some depth? Even turning him into a much-needed PG means our third big is forcing Jaden to play big, and if not him .. Leonard Miller? Beringer?

Personally, I feel that the team has needs, but Connelly has somewhat painted us into a corner, reducing flexibility that makes it very difficult to fill those needs.


Somewhat? We owe picks in 27, 29, and 31, with swaps in 26, and 30. We cannot touch 28 because we owe 29, and we cannot touch 32 because we owe 31. We have very few trade chips because we didn’t make a move last year and we blew the KAT trade badly. Just like we blew the Rudy trade by overpaying. This is what I have been saying for years. The Dlo trade backed us into a corner and now we are stuck in the corner. Mike will retire and we won’t have the salary to replace him. Dilly and Bones are not gonna be playoff quality this year or next. TSJ and DDV are not PGs and both have depressed value at present. Moving most of the remaining guys will be lateral at best. People praise two WCF appearances, they miss the point. When you push all your chips into the middle and bet the farm you don’t hope for 4th place. Now we will be luckily not to gradually get worse.


Yeah don't bother, I've been saying the same thing and it barely registers.

And we will get worse, eventually Ant will grow frustrated and we won't have anything to placate him. Then we tank possibly without picks.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1934 » by Klomp » Yesterday 6:18 pm

Dare I mention Tyus Jones as an option?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1935 » by BlacJacMac » Yesterday 6:59 pm

Klomp wrote:Dare I mention Tyus Jones as an option?


Its only 68 minutes, but he's off to a disastrous start - so he might be available. If we could flip Miller for him, it would be great.

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Holy crap. I didn't realize Tyus is making 7M...
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1936 » by Guest84 » Yesterday 9:22 pm

Klomp wrote:
shrink wrote:In today’s podcast, Zach Lowe named the Wolves PG situation as the most worrisome team hole in the NBA.

I know we like to dream up big moves, but how big of a move do we really need to make in order to improve the PG position? Remember the impact Conley made when he was traded here, and really it's not like that was a massive move.

Could we get Jaden Ivey for Donte DiVincenzo? Pistons badly need shooting. Definite risk with upcoming RFA though. I would be fine offering Rob as some extra incentive depending on the second piece coming back (Sasser? Reed?). Pistons could also dangle LeVert.


Ivey is exactly who I'd look to get. He's cheaper than Fox, Young, etc but is also on the same timeline as Ant w/ upside. Him being 6'3" and solid as well helps.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1937 » by Neeva » Yesterday 9:54 pm

Detriot looks awful again wolves were lucky to get their pick this past draft. DDV can definitely help them.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1938 » by shrink » Yesterday 10:46 pm

Klomp wrote:Crazy idea....a Donte DiVincenzo for Kyle Anderson trade construct.

Anderson becomes our backup center on defense and our backup point guard on offense.

If it’s DDV, then we need more value coming our way. Maybe a third team.

Maybe Conley for SloMo, and we give them Leonard Miller or a second? I’m not sure how Anderson looks this year, but maybe Mike would be okay with a trade if he got to finish his career back in Utah?

The Jazz have several players that might be (maybe?) decent role players here, and they maybe willing to move them.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#1939 » by Burgs_Burgi » Today 12:00 am

What about someone like Grayson Allen from Suns?

Better playmaking than DDV, shoots the 3 well and plays (tries) on defense. Surely you could get him on a good trade.

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