Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST)

[TwolvesFanRome]

I don't see how we can improve our roster through trade right now...

[life_saver]

Beasley's 3 pt % for this season is now upto 36.2%...his career average is 38.3%. He was shooting at 30% from 3 somepoint earlier in the season. That's why it's always better to go with career averages of a player rather than short 1-2 months sample. All the shooters will have bad shooting slumps..Beasley is no exception.

[TaylorTag]

I think McLaughlin might have played himself into a trade asset. And if the Celtics really like Beasely, a Smart move might be on the table here, and it's an opportunity we really can't pass up.

We aren't making the Conference Finals this year, and while shooting is a premium, so is perimeter defense for this team. Smart makes sense financially and culturally for this team.

I am beginning to think the moment is right to make a move, with Beasely's value being the highest it's been all season... Bringing in Smart doesn't preclude us from resigning Beverley to a 2-year deal...

Beasely, McLaughlin and a lottery-protected 1st for Smart and Pritchard... I think there is something there

[Nick K]

We sure we wanna trade a flamethrower like Beas after making 7 3s tonight? Has Simmons even made 7 in his career?

Good point. I'm tired of hearing about can't shoot Simmons.

We've played respectable defense without him.

[Domejandro]

Not making a move to improve the team because of a winning streak would be bad GMing. Minnesota should (and will) continue to test the trade market.

That said, it is more likely that Minnesota is the third team in a trade.

We’re 13-5 since Covid riddled the team in late December. You don’t have to test the trade market because the team is actually good and has *gasp* continuity for the first time in 2 decades. I’m not a big Beas guy. But he’s certainly needed for playoff teams.

I, for one, am certainly not in favor of giving up 3 or 4 important depth pieces for someone like Ben Simmons.

Trading lifelong twolf Naz who we brought in on a summer league deal for some other teams back up center to improve rebounding by maybe 1-2 rebounds seems like overthinking.


So why mess up a good thing?

Not doing your due diligence on the trade market actually makes zero sense (which is why Minnesota will). It is worth doing your due diligence, in case an opportunity to improve the team presents itself.

It is easy to get high on a winning streak, but this is not a Championship contending roster, currently. Anything that can improve the longterm ceiling of the team should be considered.

I am the person who has continually explained to people why dumping Beasley for nothing would be silly. I get that the pendulum has swung completely in the other direction, but it actually doesn’t make sense to not be actively engaged, during this Trade Deadline.

[Baseline81]

I think McLaughlin might have played himself into a trade asset. And if the Celtics really like Beasely, a Smart move might be on the table here, and it's an opportunity we really can't pass up.

We aren't making the Conference Finals this year, and while shooting is a premium, so is perimeter defense for this team. Smart makes sense financially and culturally for this team.

I am beginning to think the moment is right to make a move, with Beasely's value being the highest it's been all season... Bringing in Smart doesn't preclude us from resigning Beverley to a 2-year deal...

Beasely, McLaughlin and a lottery-protected 1st for Smart and Pritchard... I think there is something there

No, I would not include a first round pick unless the Wolves are trading for a difference maker. Would Smart even be a starter?

[Nick K]

Does anyone really want to gamble on Prince sustaining 56% from 3 though? Or even Beasley at 45%?

I don't. Not that I'd give them away, but this mid-season streak isn't enough to take them off the trade table.

Prince shot 41% from 3 last year so he's reverting back to the mean. He's a good solid player that fits well with the team. 30 days ago I might have moved him for a bag of peanuts which would have been a big mistake.

We can sign him for cheap next year and I think he'll take it.

[Domejandro]

We sure we wanna trade a flamethrower like Beas after making 7 3s tonight? Has Simmons even made 7 in his career?

Good point. I'm tired of hearing about can't shoot Simmons.

We've played respectable defense without him.

Not going to relitigate the Simmons stuff, because it just isn’t worth it for me on this forum, but Minnesota’s defense has actually been pretty horrible, over the course of this winning streak. Fortunately Minnesota’s offense has been the best in the entire League to counteract that, but there are legitimate concerns about sustainability, if the defense doesn’t return to its early season quality.

[Nick K]

I think McLaughlin might have played himself into a trade asset. And if the Celtics really like Beasely, a Smart move might be on the table here, and it's an opportunity we really can't pass up.

We aren't making the Conference Finals this year, and while shooting is a premium, so is perimeter defense for this team. Smart makes sense financially and culturally for this team.

I am beginning to think the moment is right to make a move, with Beasely's value being the highest it's been all season... Bringing in Smart doesn't preclude us from resigning Beverley to a 2-year deal...

Beasely, McLaughlin and a lottery-protected 1st for Smart and Pritchard... I think there is something there

No, I would not include a first round pick unless the Wolves are trading for a difference maker. Would Smart even be a starter?

Nope!

[winforlose]

We sure we wanna trade a flamethrower like Beas after making 7 3s tonight? Has Simmons even made 7 in his career?

Good point. I'm tired of hearing about can't shoot Simmons.

We've played respectable defense without him.

Not going to relitigate the Simmons stuff, because it just isn’t worth it for me on this forum, but Minnesota’s defense has actually been pretty horrible, over the course of this winning streak. Fortunately Minnesota’s offense has been the best in the entire League to counteract that, but there are legitimate concerns about sustainability, if the defense doesn’t return to its early season quality.

I agree. But, it isn’t lack of effort on the part of individual players. The scheme is fundamentally broken. It works until it doesn’t (like so many other NBA schemes.) We either need to adapt by throwing in different zones and risking more interior shots, or we need to get a big who can defend the paint and reduce the need for scramble and help D.

[winforlose]

Does anyone really want to gamble on Prince sustaining 56% from 3 though? Or even Beasley at 45%?

I don't. Not that I'd give them away, but this mid-season streak isn't enough to take them off the trade table.

Prince shot 41% from 3 last year so he's reverting back to the mean. He's a good solid player that fits well with the team. 30 days ago I might have moved him for a bag of peanuts which would have been a big mistake.

We can sign him for cheap next year and I think he'll take it.

I am not so sure. The guy is 27 and not likely to want to take a cheap deal in his prime. If he continues to play well for the next 28 games and has a decent stint in the playoffs he will leave and seek the biggest contract he can find. More to the point, here he is playing as a backup and often out of position. He will want a starting role as a SF with a team who needs a veteran 3 and D. Prince recent success is actually the best argument for moving him to a team that has the space and place for him. His bird rights will be useful to them. Ironically a team like OKC could probably use him most because he would add a vet presence to a young core (remind you of anyone we know?)

[Nick K]

We sure we wanna trade a flamethrower like Beas after making 7 3s tonight? Has Simmons even made 7 in his career?

Good point. I'm tired of hearing about can't shoot Simmons.

We've played respectable defense without him.

Not going to relitigate the Simmons stuff, because it just isn’t worth it for me on this forum, but Minnesota’s defense has actually been pretty horrible, over the course of this winning streak. Fortunately Minnesota’s offense has been the best in the entire League to counteract that, but there are legitimate concerns about sustainability, if the defense doesn’t return to its early season quality.

Good point. Our defense does blow hot and cold but we know we can be good there. I'm more concerned about winning these games against teams at far less than full strength. We're going to need to prove we an beat good teams at full strength. That's the next test.

[NebWolvesFan]

As happy as I am with Beasley playing so well, I would still move him if a two-way player came back in return - Like Smart or Richardson. When Beasley is off, and all shooters have off days - he doesn't really do anything else. At least with Smart or, more likely Richardson, you get a strong defender. Richardson is back to play solid perimeter defense.

I would endorse the Richardson/Nesmith for Beasley deal - especially if Minnesota gets any draft picks added.

I like Beasley, but he's way too one dimensional to be off limits.

[wolves_89]

Does anyone really want to gamble on Prince sustaining 56% from 3 though? Or even Beasley at 45%?

I don't. Not that I'd give them away, but this mid-season streak isn't enough to take them off the trade table.

I doubt anyone expects Prince to sustain his recent 56% 3pt shooting rate, but slightly under 40% is a very realistic expectation based on his career shooting. As for Beasley, hitting around 40% of his 3s would fall in line with career marks. I think if they can sustain the shooting rates they've proven capable of in the past they are very valuable pieces, especially on this team that shoots such a high volume of 3s. As far as trades, I think the bar for making a trade should assume that Beasley/Prince can sustain shooting percentages that are in line with their historical rates.

[TaylorTag]

Good point. I'm tired of hearing about can't shoot Simmons.

We've played respectable defense without him.

Not going to relitigate the Simmons stuff, because it just isn’t worth it for me on this forum, but Minnesota’s defense has actually been pretty horrible, over the course of this winning streak. Fortunately Minnesota’s offense has been the best in the entire League to counteract that, but there are legitimate concerns about sustainability, if the defense doesn’t return to its early season quality.

I agree. But, it isn’t lack of effort on the part of individual players. The scheme is fundamentally broken. It works until it doesn’t (like so many other NBA schemes.) We either need to adapt by throwing in different zones and risking more interior shots, or we need to get a big who can defend the paint and reduce the need for scramble and help D.

One way we can fortify our interior defense is by adding a perimeter defender who can take the pressure off Vando and McDaniels to always be defending the point of attack... Getting a player like Smart would allow our "big men" to match up with opposing bigs, rather than the scramble help D we have been doing.

[winforlose]

Not going to relitigate the Simmons stuff, because it just isn’t worth it for me on this forum, but Minnesota’s defense has actually been pretty horrible, over the course of this winning streak. Fortunately Minnesota’s offense has been the best in the entire League to counteract that, but there are legitimate concerns about sustainability, if the defense doesn’t return to its early season quality.

I agree. But, it isn’t lack of effort on the part of individual players. The scheme is fundamentally broken. It works until it doesn’t (like so many other NBA schemes.) We either need to adapt by throwing in different zones and risking more interior shots, or we need to get a big who can defend the paint and reduce the need for scramble and help D.

One way we can fortify our interior defense is by adding a perimeter defender who can take the pressure off Vando and McDaniels to always be defending the point of attack... Getting a player like Smart would allow our "big men" to match up with opposing bigs, rather than the scramble help D we have been doing.

Yes and no. First, Smart isn’t good enough on offense to replace Beverly, and our scheme is designed to scramble and switch so I am not sure how much help that would be. Second, Smart is 6’4, 220 lb. The weight can be useful but the height and the 6’8 wingspan limit his ability to switch off. I think it was Denver’s head coach who mentioned that our length is our strength. Smart is more like a better version of JO than he is an equivalent of Beverly. We are much better off with a legit big who can either handle switching onto smaller guards or scheme changing to stay home and guard the paint and let 1-3 guard the perimeter with KAT floating as needed.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Not making a move to improve the team because of a winning streak would be bad GMing. Minnesota should (and will) continue to test the trade market.

That said, it is more likely that Minnesota is the third team in a trade.

We’re 13-5 since Covid riddled the team in late December. You don’t have to test the trade market because the team is actually good and has *gasp* continuity for the first time in 2 decades. I’m not a big Beas guy. But he’s certainly needed for playoff teams.

I, for one, am certainly not in favor of giving up 3 or 4 important depth pieces for someone like Ben Simmons.

Trading lifelong twolf Naz who we brought in on a summer league deal for some other teams back up center to improve rebounding by maybe 1-2 rebounds seems like overthinking.


So why mess up a good thing?

Not doing your due diligence on the trade market actually makes zero sense (which is why Minnesota will). It is worth doing your due diligence, in case an opportunity to improve the team presents itself.

It is easy to get high on a winning streak, but this is not a Championship contending roster, currently. Anything that can improve the longterm ceiling of the team should be considered.

I am the person who has continually explained to people why dumping Beasley for nothing would be silly. I get that the pendulum has swung completely in the other direction, but it actually doesn’t make sense to not be actively engaged, during this Trade Deadline.

I’m not unhooking the phone today and tomorrow…But do you think our role players like seeing their names in rumors from blue checkers on social media? I highly doubt it. Marcus smart does nothing for me. I see bone head when I think of smart. Too many “that wasn’t smart” puns for him. No team in this league plays respectable defense. A regular season game in December and January isn’t going to get the same defensive effort you’re gonna get come playoff time. But you still have beasleys shooting off the bench.

And finding a rim protecting paint does what? Moves kat to the 4 and vando out of the lineup? A mo bamba type? Not sure on that either

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

As happy as I am with Beasley playing so well, I would still move him if a two-way player came back in return - Like Smart or Richardson. When Beasley is off, an all shooters have off days - he doesn't really do anything else. At least with Smart or, more likely Richardson, you get a strong defender. Richardson is back to play solid perimeter defense.

I would endorse the Richardson/Nesmith for Beasley deal - especially if Minnesota gets any draft picks added.

I like Beasley, but he's way too one dimensional to be off limits.

You bring up a good point on Beasleys off nights. But he could also be potentially good fill in to get 20+ if DLo, and edwards go on a 3-12 night which they are susceptible to do. Can Richardson and smart get you 20+ any given night?

[winforlose]

We’re 13-5 since Covid riddled the team in late December. You don’t have to test the trade market because the team is actually good and has *gasp* continuity for the first time in 2 decades. I’m not a big Beas guy. But he’s certainly needed for playoff teams.

I, for one, am certainly not in favor of giving up 3 or 4 important depth pieces for someone like Ben Simmons.

Trading lifelong twolf Naz who we brought in on a summer league deal for some other teams back up center to improve rebounding by maybe 1-2 rebounds seems like overthinking.


So why mess up a good thing?

Not doing your due diligence on the trade market actually makes zero sense (which is why Minnesota will). It is worth doing your due diligence, in case an opportunity to improve the team presents itself.

It is easy to get high on a winning streak, but this is not a Championship contending roster, currently. Anything that can improve the longterm ceiling of the team should be considered.

I am the person who has continually explained to people why dumping Beasley for nothing would be silly. I get that the pendulum has swung completely in the other direction, but it actually doesn’t make sense to not be actively engaged, during this Trade Deadline.

I’m not unhooking the phone today and tomorrow…But do you think our role players like seeing their names in rumors from blue checkers on social media? I highly doubt it. Marcus smart does nothing for me. I see bone head when I think of smart. Too many “that wasn’t smart” puns for him. No team in this league plays respectable defense. A regular season game in December and January isn’t going to get the same defensive effort you’re gonna get come playoff time. But you still have beasleys shooting off the bench.

And finding a rim protecting paint does what? Moves kat to the 4 and vando out of the lineup? A mo bamba type? Not sure on that either

Why in gods name would it move V8 out of the lineup. I keep hearing this and it is baffling. V8 can easily defend the SF, whereas SFs cannot easily guard V8. V8 essentially plays the traditional 5 offensively in that he always wants to get into the paint and does not shoot from anywhere else. All you need is a big who can shoot around 30-35% from 3 and you can run them with KAT and V8. Even if they can only shoot 3s from the corner they are still good enough. V8 is much to valuable to significantly reduce his minutes. The hustle and rebounding alone make him valuable, but his defense is key in a switching scheme. We need to move Bev to the 2nd unit (cutting his minutes and level of competition will preserve him for the playoffs,) and bring in the paint defending, defensive rebounding, floor spacing big that will take us to the next level.

[Howard Cosell]

I’m not for standing pat. Of course you don’t make a trade for trade sake…but this is an opportunity to deal from a position of strength. Lots of winning teams make trades right before deadline over the years to give them a little more juice heading towards the playoffs. It’s time we strike a deal for a Barnes or Randle if the Simmons door is shut.