Trade Ideas thread

[Mrva]

In a hypothetical scenario, let's say that the GSW want to shed salary and want to trade Klay.

Would we be ok with trading Wiggins for Klay ?

I am only talking in value for us; it would probably have to be a 3team trade. With Wiggins going to a 3rd team, and some picks going to GSW.

Since we are operating over the salary cap now, we would have to match salaries, so we couldn't save them much money. If we still had cap space, we could save them $10 mil, but just for this year.

Wiggins
2017-18 $7,574,323
2018-19 $24,000,000? (if he gets max)

Klay
2017-18 $17,826,150
2018-19 $18,988,725

Like I said, it would be a 3 team deal. The 3rd team would have cap space. We would send, lets say Aldrich and Wiggins to them (~15-16m salary), 3rd team's picks to GSW and Klay to Minn(salaries are matching within 20%). Don't ask me which the 3rd team is (Nets, Hawks??), because I am just trying to compare their values for us.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb9ckdak

Next summer works as well.

[Krapinsky]

In a hypothetical scenario, let's say that the GSW want to shed salary and want to trade Klay.

Would we be ok with trading Wiggins for Klay ?

I am only talking in value for us; it would probably have to be a 3team trade. With Wiggins going to a 3rd team, and some picks going to GSW.

No. Problem is we woul donly be able to control Klay for two years. When Wiggins sign the max, we'll have him for next 4 years.

[rugbyrugger23]

In a hypothetical scenario, let's say that the GSW want to shed salary and want to trade Klay.

Would we be ok with trading Wiggins for Klay ?

I am only talking in value for us; it would probably have to be a 3team trade. With Wiggins going to a 3rd team, and some picks going to GSW.

No. Problem is we woul donly be able to control Klay for two years. When Wiggins sign the max, we'll have him for next 4 years.

Wouldn't it be next 5 years? Or assuming Wiggins gets a PO year 5?

[Mrva]

In a hypothetical scenario, let's say that the GSW want to shed salary and want to trade Klay.

Would we be ok with trading Wiggins for Klay ?

I am only talking in value for us; it would probably have to be a 3team trade. With Wiggins going to a 3rd team, and some picks going to GSW.

No. Problem is we woul donly be able to control Klay for two years. When Wiggins sign the max, we'll have him for next 4 years.

Wouldn't it be next 5 years? Or assuming Wiggins gets a PO year 5?

I think only 1 guy can get 5 year max off of rookie extenstion. And its going to be Towns.

[MN7725]

No. Problem is we woul donly be able to control Klay for two years. When Wiggins sign the max, we'll have him for next 4 years.

Wouldn't it be next 5 years? Or assuming Wiggins gets a PO year 5?

I think only 1 guy can get 5 year max off of rookie extenstion. And its going to be Towns.

its two now

[SBM]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yayjr3r8

Joe Johnson for Aldrich straight up. Maybe throw a 2nd in there. Joe is better than any SF/wing type we can get at this point. He shot over 40% from 3 last year.

[KGdaBom]

Wouldn't it be next 5 years? Or assuming Wiggins gets a PO year 5?

I think only 1 guy can get 5 year max off of rookie extenstion. And its going to be Towns.

its two now

If Towns makes an all NBA team is it first second or third he becomes eligible for Super Max? I heard something to that effect.

[Oriole8159]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yayjr3r8

Joe Johnson for Aldrich straight up. Maybe throw a 2nd in there. Joe is better than any SF/wing type we can get at this point. He shot over 40% from 3 last year.

I'd definitely do that, but not sure why Utah would as Johnson is a straight up better player.
I don't think they're trying to cut salary either (correct me if I'm wrong) , so not sure if the extra $3 million in savings does much for them.

[MN7725]

I think only 1 guy can get 5 year max off of rookie extenstion. And its going to be Towns.

its two now

If Towns makes an all NBA team is it first second or third he becomes eligible for Super Max? I heard something to that effect.

no, super max (35% of cap) is the designated veteran extension. Have to have 8 years of experience and have the award qualifications like DPOY or All-NBA

Wig and KAT will be eligible to 25-30% of cap

Wig frankly doesn't deserve that much and there have been better players like Gobert, McCullom, Giannis that have taken less than they are eligible to receive, so there is precedent

[Klomp]

If Towns makes an all NBA team is it first second or third he becomes eligible for Super Max? I heard something to that effect.

It's not just Towns, but any player.

In order to qualify for the higher maximum salary, players must meet certain performance criteria1. At least one of the following must be true:
The player was named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team in the most recent season, or both of the two seasons that preceded the most recent season.
The player was named the Defensive Player of the Year in the most recent season, or both of the two seasons that preceded the most recent season.
The player was named the NBA Most Valuable Player in any of the three most recent seasons.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q24

[Klomp]

Wig and KAT will be eligible to 25% of cap

But could get 30% if they reach certain thresholds, as I included above.

[MN7725]

Wig and KAT will be eligible to 25% of cap

But could get 30% if they reach certain thresholds, as I included above.

Is it 30% for each of the possible 5 years?
Or 30% for 5th year only?

Wasn't sure about that part

EDIT

He can get 30% in 2019-20

KAT would start in 2019-20 at 30%, probably $32-33 mil with 8% raises, so around $42 mil in 2023-24

[SBM]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yayjr3r8

Joe Johnson for Aldrich straight up. Maybe throw a 2nd in there. Joe is better than any SF/wing type we can get at this point. He shot over 40% from 3 last year.

I'd definitely do that, but not sure why Utah would as Johnson is a straight up better player.
I don't think they're trying to cut salary either (correct me if I'm wrong) , so not sure if the extra $3 million in savings does much for them.

Maybe they do it because they realize they aren't going anywhere, why not take a 2nd rounder. I just think its somewhat reasonable and a good deal.

[Oriole8159]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yayjr3r8

Joe Johnson for Aldrich straight up. Maybe throw a 2nd in there. Joe is better than any SF/wing type we can get at this point. He shot over 40% from 3 last year.

I'd definitely do that, but not sure why Utah would as Johnson is a straight up better player.
I don't think they're trying to cut salary either (correct me if I'm wrong) , so not sure if the extra $3 million in savings does much for them.

Maybe they do it because they realize they aren't going anywhere, why not take a 2nd rounder. I just think its somewhat reasonable and a good deal.

I guess I get your logic, but something tells me that Utah isn't ready to throw in the towel just yet.
Maybe at the trade deadline if they realize they truly are toast, then they might start tearing down. Remember though at the trade deadline last year the Lakers got a first for Lou Williams and BKN got a first for Bogdanovich (an expiring too) so they might be able to get more than just a 2nd for Johnson by holding out until the deadline.

But yes, I would do that deal.

[shrink]

Wig and KAT will be eligible to 25% of cap

But could get 30% if they reach certain thresholds, as I included above.

Is it 30% for each of the possible 5 years?
Or 30% for 5th year only?

Wasn't sure about that part

EDIT

He can get 30% in 2019-20

KAT would start in 2019-20 at 30%, probably $32-33 mil with 8% raises, so around $42 mil in 2023-24

You got it. They want that extra 5% of the cap on the first year of a new contract, and then all the max 8% raises would be based on that high first year.

For guys coming off rookie scale, we are talking about the Derrick Rose rule. Originally, the NBA only allowed a player with less than 6 years of experience to sign a max deal at 20% of the cap, 6-9 years could sign for 25%, and over 9 could sign for 30%. Later, Derrick Rose said, "I'm the freakin' MVP, but I'm still on rookie scale! I deserve to get more than 20% of the cap in my first max free agent contract!" The NBA agreed, and said you could get an extra 5% if you met some extreme criteria, so his new deal could start at 25%. The next CBA, some guys said "Hey, I'm on a stupid 20% max deal, and I met that criteria now, but I can only ask for 25% on my next free agent deal! I ought to be able to get 5% too, so they agreed and said they could make 30% of the cap, in the new "Designated Player Exception." It basically bumps you up to the next age bracket, and you will see why max deal superstars try to align their contracts so that they start at the youngest age that they reach a plateau, whether they meet the criteria or not.

[AirP.]

no, super max (35% of cap) is the designated veteran extension. Have to have 8 years of experience and have the award qualifications like DPOY or All-NBA

Wig and KAT will be eligible to 25-30% of cap

Wig frankly doesn't deserve that much and there have been better players like Gobert, McCullom, Giannis that have taken less than they are eligible to receive, so there is precedent

Unless Wiggins takes a huge leap in his defense(which could happen), I'm not so sure he's still in Minnesota at the start of the 2018 season. I don't think Thibs will pay the max(like he'd get on the market) to retain Wiggins. His defense currently isn't good and it really looks like all he can do is score which is always good but his scoring role will be reduced with the additions of Butler, Teague and Crawford.

I do wonder if LaVine hadn't went down if Wiggins would have been moved instead of the package they sent. It's quite possible it would have been Wiggins and Rubio for Butler while keeping the 7th pick.

[Swish4]

I'll throw last year's defensive results for KAT and Wiggins out the window. Last year they learned the ABC's of
Thibs defense. This year they learn how to make sentences. Both have good to very good potential defensively and will show it, hopefully this year under a much more defined team defense system with the pieces added to make it work in Butler and Taj.

[Ethomasp31]

no, super max (35% of cap) is the designated veteran extension. Have to have 8 years of experience and have the award qualifications like DPOY or All-NBA

Wig and KAT will be eligible to 25-30% of cap

Wig frankly doesn't deserve that much and there have been better players like Gobert, McCullom, Giannis that have taken less than they are eligible to receive, so there is precedent

Unless Wiggins takes a huge leap in his defense(which could happen), I'm not so sure he's still in Minnesota at the start of the 2018 season. I don't think Thibs will pay the max(like he'd get on the market) to retain Wiggins. His defense currently isn't good and it really looks like all he can do is score which is always good but his scoring role will be reduced with the additions of Butler, Teague and Crawford.

I do wonder if LaVine hadn't went down if Wiggins would have been moved instead of the package they sent. It's quite possible it would have been Wiggins and Rubio for Butler while keeping the 7th pick.

I'd make a bet with you that he will be in Minnesota at the start of next season.

[Mattya]

Thibs is a big fan of Wiggins.

[KGdaBom]

its two now

If Towns makes an all NBA team is it first second or third he becomes eligible for Super Max? I heard something to that effect.

no, super max (35% of cap) is the designated veteran extension. Have to have 8 years of experience and have the award qualifications like DPOY or All-NBA

Wig and KAT will be eligible to 25-30% of cap

Wig frankly doesn't deserve that much and there have been better players like Gobert, McCullom, Giannis that have taken less than they are eligible to receive, so there is precedent

I was wondering if that was only available for third contract or beyond. Still a player can qualify for a higher max contract by meeting certain eligibility criterion. RIGHT? It seems that Unless Wiggins takes a GIANT LEAP forward he won't be eligible for the higher max contract. If he does become eligible than I think we will all be happy with that. I think if KAT plays as good as last year or better he will be named to an All NBA team after this year. Let me know if I'm wrong. Thanks.