Trade Talk (Part Four)

[DarkXaero]

assuming 4/19/2021 second is for the first pick— I would not do that and then Culver/17/Johnson for Lavert? A little steep IMO.
Maybe if the 17 is left out because this seems way too good for Chicago 1,17 and culver for 4 and zach??

I don't know how Wolves fans feel about Culver. I know he was the 6th pick last year, but by all accounts, his rookie year wasn't particularly promising, and there's word in media that Wolves have some buyer's remorse with Culver. This can be seen as selling low on Culver, but if Culver is a bust long-term, then its a good chance for Wolves to get a good NBA player in exchange instead. Wolves are essentially getting #4, Caris Levert, and moving down from #17 to #19 here for #1 and Culver (a 2nd round pick next year is thrown in as a sweetener).

I think Levert would be a really solid 3rd piece for Wolves next to D Lo and KAT. He's a versatile, playmaking guard with scoring ability, who can grow into a really good defender (hence the preference over Lavine for Wolves), and he has good familiarity with D Lo. He's also locked up on a team friendly deal for the next 3 years, which should be a big plus for Minnesota. Additionally with the #4 pick, Wolves drop a bit and get someone they like more (e.g. Obi Toppin) instead of reaching at #1. I personally think it's a better deal for Minnesota than it is for Chicago, but I appreciate feedback from y'all.

Yes Culver had a very rough rookie year but still was not among the top five worst players in the league like Garland, Hunter and RJ Barrett. Rosas is not going to sell low on Culver IMO.
Lavert injury history scares me. Only one season out of his four has he played more than 60 games. More than likely he will miss a big chunk of next season also.

Fair enough. Injury history is definitely a concern with Levert, but it's also what's holding him back from reaching the next level, which would be an all star caliber player.

[Mamba4Goat]

One of the issues of trading for a third offensive minded player that is allergic to defense is that their production has to make the lack of defense worth it. Devin Booker, for example, is definitely worth it. Lavine, Collins, and maybe even Ingram fall closer to the not worth it/gray area side of it. I’d set my offense only guy bar at the Devin Bookers of the league though. If I’m Minnesota I’d call up NO/Indy about Jrue Holiday or Dipo before even listening to a Lavine trade. If there’s no deal to be made with them, I stand pat, draft my guys, and wait for a star to be made available.

[King Malta]

What about a three way with a sign and trade...

Mn out: Johnson, Beasley, #1
In: Brandon Ingram

New Orleans out: Ingram
In: Lavine and the 4, fill

Chicago out: Lavine and the 4
In: #1 and Beasley, fill

We keep the 17, and potentially add to it to move up and grab best PF available (Achiuwa). If we do not need to add 2nd rounder to move up, I would address either depth at PG or C

Russell, JMac
Culver, Okoge
Ingram, Layman, Valentine
Achiuwa, Hernangomez, Valentine
Towns, Reid

Imo NO would just cut out Chicago.

How many ball boys does one team need?

Think of the ticket sales shrink!

[Rookie-Mistake]

I was monitoring this as well. I have been very strong and probably unfair on him as he is a rookie.

I'm not one of those stats analyst guys, but I did notice maybe the last 15 games an improvement. Does anyone have his stats for the last 15 games?

Culver was much better to end the season, I am not selling low on him

He showed me more than enough in every head to head match up with Morant. He will be good once his shot (and free throws) are figured out.

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[KGdaBom]

Why? You already know what Collins is going to be-- Kevin Love junior.... You have to keep the pick and swing for a superstar. Ball or Wiseman..... We don't need a good player we need a stud on a rookie contract to move forward.

Collins+6 for 1 is a homerun in terms of value. You absolutely take it and run. The guys that’ll be there at 6 are also safer, better fitting players which isn’t awful.

If it was a deal that was balanced I probably wouldn’t touch it though. Collins is due for a raise soon and between that/cap concerns and his awful defensive fit it’s an easy pass.

We should not settle for safe and nice.... Home run superstar. John Collins is not the type of return you should want with the number 1 pick. He is a good player that will go into negative or neutral value within one year because of his contract. You do this trade and you are locked in with this roster for years.... No movement, capped out..... John Collins will not help us become champions... If you want Collins take the chance on Wiseman on a rookie deal for years. If he hits you have him and all the money to make other moves. We need to stop thinking like a loser franchise..... Wiseman has a real chance to be a stud.... Far superior than Collins and on a rookie contract. The defense alone is already better than Collins provides.... Think like a championship team not a team that is ok just making the playoffs.....

Sorry, but if you think Collins and 6 is what a loser franchise would take then you need to stop thinking like a loser franchise. Losers always have their head in the clouds looking for that pie in the sky. Collins is a very good basketball player and I'm talking about getting Collins and pick 6 who could easily be a star player if we do our homework. Most national analysts think Collins straight up for #1 is a pretty solid deal for the Wolves.

[KGdaBom]

Why? You already know what Collins is going to be-- Kevin Love junior.... You have to keep the pick and swing for a superstar. Ball or Wiseman..... We don't need a good player we need a stud on a rookie contract to move forward.

Kevin Love in his prime was a top 10 player in the league. Plus we get pick 6 as well. Easy to take that deal. Kevin Love was traded for the #1 pick in the draft plus I think two other FRPs and a former #1 overall who was a liability LOL.

He was never more than a third level player on a championship team.... Never a top ten player. He was a selfish stat stuffer who was hated by his teammates because he cared more about stats than winning. Collins is very similar, great offensive stats but you will have a hard time winning with a guy like him. He doesn't play any defense. Ask yourself why Atlanta would be willing to trade him if he is that good? They do not want to pay him either.... because they know what he is. They want to have the shot at a superstar on a rookie deal.

Love sure got traded for a top ten players ransom. #1 overall, plus two additional #1s, plus the prior years #1 . A lot of people were still holding out hope for Bennett. BS that Love was hated by his teammates.

[KGdaBom]

#1 for #4 + 2022 CHI 1st, unprotected

Would ya?

I'd consider it, but probably pass. Chicago could make the playoffs in the east if the #1 pick is a hit rather than a miss.

[KGdaBom]

#1 for #4 + 2022 CHI 1st, unprotected

Would ya?

Too good for MIN. I'd even offer #1, #17 for #4 + 2022 CHI 1st, unprotected

I disagree it's too good for us. Close call.

[KGdaBom]

How would you guys feel about this trade?

https://tradenba.com/trades/lSgCXNFVT

It's assuming that Chicago wants to move into top 2, and that the Wolves want to move down a bit.

I like Caris Levert a lot. However, giving up 1,17 and Culver. I don't know. It's tempting and maybe I'm being unrealistic hoping that Culver will come around. This also gets us a first round pick next year. If LeVert wasn't injury prone I'd do it no doubt. Since he is injury prone I think I'd pass.

[KGdaBom]

What about a three way with a sign and trade...

Mn out: Johnson, Beasley, #1
In: Brandon Ingram

New Orleans out: Ingram
In: Lavine and the 4, fill

Chicago out: Lavine and the 4
In: #1 and Beasley, fill

We keep the 17, and potentially add to it to move up and grab best PF available (Achiuwa). If we do not need to add 2nd rounder to move up, I would address either depth at PG or C

Russell, JMac
Culver, Okoge
Ingram, Layman, Valentine
Achiuwa, Hernangomez, Valentine
Towns, Reid

I'd give up Johnson, Beasley and #1 for Ingram and never look back.

[KGdaBom]

assuming 4/19/2021 second is for the first pick— I would not do that and then Culver/17/Johnson for Lavert? A little steep IMO.
Maybe if the 17 is left out because this seems way too good for Chicago 1,17 and culver for 4 and zach??

I don't know how Wolves fans feel about Culver. I know he was the 6th pick last year, but by all accounts, his rookie year wasn't particularly promising, and there's word in media that Wolves have some buyer's remorse with Culver. This can be seen as selling low on Culver, but if Culver is a bust long-term, then its a good chance for Wolves to get a good NBA player in exchange instead. Wolves are essentially getting #4, Caris Levert, and moving down from #17 to #19 here for #1 and Culver (a 2nd round pick next year is thrown in as a sweetener).

I think Levert would be a really solid 3rd piece for Wolves next to D Lo and KAT. He's a versatile, playmaking guard with scoring ability, who can grow into a really good defender (hence the preference over Lavine for Wolves), and he has good familiarity with D Lo. He's also locked up on a team friendly deal for the next 3 years, which should be a big plus for Minnesota. Additionally with the #4 pick, Wolves drop a bit and get someone they like more (e.g. Obi Toppin) instead of reaching at #1. I personally think it's a better deal for Minnesota than it is for Chicago, but I appreciate feedback from y'all.

Yes Culver had a very rough rookie year but still was not among the top five worst players in the league like Garland, Hunter and RJ Barrett. Rosas is not going to sell low on Culver IMO.
Lavert injury history scares me. Only one season out of his four has he played more than 60 games. More than likely he will miss a big chunk of next season also.

The injury history is why I agree with you.

[Guidus88]

Would you do a S&T with Pistons centered around 17 + Culver for Christian Wood?

Edit: I thought he was a RFA...instead he is a URFA.

[Dewey]

Would you do a S&T with Pistons centered around 17 + Culver for Christian Wood?

Edit: I thought he was a RFA...instead he is a URFA.

The guy has some game, but seem malcontent. Been on several teams and now wants to be traded. I'd maybe gamble the #17+filler for PF of this caliber, but I'd have to know more on him as a teammate.

Beal asking for trade to GS ... GS #2/Wiggins <> Beal?

Olidipo looking to Miami

Always interesting to see the player trade demands...

[Slim Tubby]

Would you do a S&T with Pistons centered around 17 + Culver for Christian Wood?

Edit: I thought he was a RFA...instead he is a URFA.

The guy has some game, but seem malcontent. Been on several teams and now wants to be traded. I'd maybe gamble the #17+filler for PF of this caliber, but I'd have to know more on him as a teammate.

Beal asking for trade to GS ... GS #2/Wiggins <> Beal?

Olidipo looking to Miami

Always interesting to see the player trade demands...

GS would have to START with the 2020 #2 just to try and offset Wiggins’ horrific negative value and that’s not even remotely enough to dump Standrew.

Now what can GS even offer to pay for the talent of Beal above what it will cost to dump Wiggins? Our 2021 FRP for starters but what else and how in the world do they match salaries? There is no way GS gets a deal done for Beal without at least one other team involved. Beal doesn’t really fit our timeline but #1, Culver and JJ might be close to the best offer WAS gets for him.

As for Dipo, I’d gladly send #1 to Indy in a 3-way with MIA that sends us Herro but if I’m the Heat, I wouldn’t trade Tyler straight up for Oladipo so that’s DOA.

On a side note, I’m so tired of future protected picks involved in us shipping out our 2020 #1. If a team want to move up for #1 this year then they can **** overpay, guarantee the pick(s) or suck it.

Besides, If we are stupid enough to take Edwards or Ball at #1 this year instead of Wiseman, Avdija or Okongwu then I’m literally done with this team altogether. I’m already teetering on my fandom as it is now having been a loyal fan since Year 1.

On a personal note, I’ve really lost my passion for the NBA with all of the player consolidation and stacked teams. The soft Cap has destroyed the competitive balance and is headed down the same path as MLB and the 2020 NBA Finals TV ratings are just a sign of what’s to come IMO.


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[Chello1]

What about a three way with a sign and trade...

Mn out: Johnson, Beasley, #1
In: Brandon Ingram

New Orleans out: Ingram
In: Lavine and the 4, fill

Chicago out: Lavine and the 4
In: #1 and Beasley, fill

We keep the 17, and potentially add to it to move up and grab best PF available (Achiuwa). If we do not need to add 2nd rounder to move up, I would address either depth at PG or C

Russell, JMac
Culver, Okoge
Ingram, Layman, Valentine
Achiuwa, Hernangomez, Valentine
Towns, Reid

NO< NO< NO< NO

[Chello1]

Kevin Love in his prime was a top 10 player in the league. Plus we get pick 6 as well. Easy to take that deal. Kevin Love was traded for the #1 pick in the draft plus I think two other FRPs and a former #1 overall who was a liability LOL.

He was never more than a third level player on a championship team.... Never a top ten player. He was a selfish stat stuffer who was hated by his teammates because he cared more about stats than winning. Collins is very similar, great offensive stats but you will have a hard time winning with a guy like him. He doesn't play any defense. Ask yourself why Atlanta would be willing to trade him if he is that good? They do not want to pay him either.... because they know what he is. They want to have the shot at a superstar on a rookie deal.

Love sure got traded for a top ten players ransom. #1 overall, plus two additional #1s, plus the prior years #1 . A lot of people were still holding out hope for Bennett. BS that Love was hated by his teammates.

Guy was a conceited horses ass..... Stat stuffer and nothing more than a third fiddle. Lebron could barely carry his ass over the finish line for a title. The second best player ever!!!!!!

[Chello1]

Collins+6 for 1 is a homerun in terms of value. You absolutely take it and run. The guys that’ll be there at 6 are also safer, better fitting players which isn’t awful.

If it was a deal that was balanced I probably wouldn’t touch it though. Collins is due for a raise soon and between that/cap concerns and his awful defensive fit it’s an easy pass.

We should not settle for safe and nice.... Home run superstar. John Collins is not the type of return you should want with the number 1 pick. He is a good player that will go into negative or neutral value within one year because of his contract. You do this trade and you are locked in with this roster for years.... No movement, capped out..... John Collins will not help us become champions... If you want Collins take the chance on Wiseman on a rookie deal for years. If he hits you have him and all the money to make other moves. We need to stop thinking like a loser franchise..... Wiseman has a real chance to be a stud.... Far superior than Collins and on a rookie contract. The defense alone is already better than Collins provides.... Think like a championship team not a team that is ok just making the playoffs.....

Sorry, but if you think Collins and 6 is what a loser franchise would take then you need to stop thinking like a loser franchise. Losers always have their head in the clouds looking for that pie in the sky. Collins is a very good basketball player and I'm talking about getting Collins and pick 6 who could easily be a star player if we do our homework. Most national analysts think Collins straight up for #1 is a pretty solid deal for the Wolves.

Let me ask you a question- Do you think Collins gets us over the top for a championship? If the answer is no as most on here I assume would agree with...... then you can't make that trade..... You are capped out and will barely be a playoff team let alone a championship caliber team. If you love Collins why not take Wiseman on the rookie deal and get someone to protect the rim. You also now have a bunch of money to sign other players because you are not capped out..... This is not hard to follow.... I am not attacking you but I think if you look at it it is easy to see. The draft falls off like a cliff after pick 3. Collins will need a max or near max contract and are we a championship team? Again, I think clearly the answer is that we are not a championship team so what other moves are you going to make to get us there???? I will sit back and listen......

[Chello1]

We should not settle for safe and nice.... Home run superstar. John Collins is not the type of return you should want with the number 1 pick. He is a good player that will go into negative or neutral value within one year because of his contract. You do this trade and you are locked in with this roster for years.... No movement, capped out..... John Collins will not help us become champions... If you want Collins take the chance on Wiseman on a rookie deal for years. If he hits you have him and all the money to make other moves. We need to stop thinking like a loser franchise..... Wiseman has a real chance to be a stud.... Far superior than Collins and on a rookie contract. The defense alone is already better than Collins provides.... Think like a championship team not a team that is ok just making the playoffs.....

Sorry, but if you think Collins and 6 is what a loser franchise would take then you need to stop thinking like a loser franchise. Losers always have their head in the clouds looking for that pie in the sky. Collins is a very good basketball player and I'm talking about getting Collins and pick 6 who could easily be a star player if we do our homework. Most national analysts think Collins straight up for #1 is a pretty solid deal for the Wolves.

Let me ask you a question- Do you think Collins gets us over the top for a championship? If the answer is no as most on here I assume would agree with...... then you can't make that trade..... You are capped out and will barely be a playoff team let alone a championship caliber team. If you love Collins why not take Wiseman on the rookie deal and get someone to protect the rim. You also now have a bunch of money to sign other players because you are not capped out..... This is not hard to follow.... I am not attacking you but I think if you look at it it is easy to see. The draft falls off like a cliff after pick 3. Collins will need a max or near max contract and are we a championship team? Again, I think clearly the answer is that we are not a championship team so what other moves are you going to make to get us there???? I will sit back and listen......

[Chello1]

Collins+6 for 1 is a homerun in terms of value. You absolutely take it and run. The guys that’ll be there at 6 are also safer, better fitting players which isn’t awful.

If it was a deal that was balanced I probably wouldn’t touch it though. Collins is due for a raise soon and between that/cap concerns and his awful defensive fit it’s an easy pass.

We should not settle for safe and nice.... Home run superstar. John Collins is not the type of return you should want with the number 1 pick. He is a good player that will go into negative or neutral value within one year because of his contract. You do this trade and you are locked in with this roster for years.... No movement, capped out..... John Collins will not help us become champions... If you want Collins take the chance on Wiseman on a rookie deal for years. If he hits you have him and all the money to make other moves. We need to stop thinking like a loser franchise..... Wiseman has a real chance to be a stud.... Far superior than Collins and on a rookie contract. The defense alone is already better than Collins provides.... Think like a championship team not a team that is ok just making the playoffs.....

Sorry, but if you think Collins and 6 is what a loser franchise would take then you need to stop thinking like a loser franchise. Losers always have their head in the clouds looking for that pie in the sky. Collins is a very good basketball player and I'm talking about getting Collins and pick 6 who could easily be a star player if we do our homework. Most national analysts think Collins straight up for #1 is a pretty solid deal for the Wolves.

Let me ask you a question- Do you think Collins gets us over the top for a championship? If the answer is no as most on here I assume would agree with...... then you can't make that trade..... You are capped out and will barely be a playoff team let alone a championship caliber team. If you love Collins why not take Wiseman on the rookie deal and get someone to protect the rim. You also now have a bunch of money to sign other players because you are not capped out..... This is not hard to follow.... I am not attacking you but I think if you look at it it is easy to see. The draft falls off like a cliff after pick 3. Collins will need a max or near max contract and are we a championship team? Again, I think clearly the answer is that we are not a championship team so what other moves are you going to make to get us there???? Collins and Obi Toppen?????? LOL! I will sit back and listen......

[twolves31]

We should not settle for safe and nice.... Home run superstar. John Collins is not the type of return you should want with the number 1 pick. He is a good player that will go into negative or neutral value within one year because of his contract. You do this trade and you are locked in with this roster for years.... No movement, capped out..... John Collins will not help us become champions... If you want Collins take the chance on Wiseman on a rookie deal for years. If he hits you have him and all the money to make other moves. We need to stop thinking like a loser franchise..... Wiseman has a real chance to be a stud.... Far superior than Collins and on a rookie contract. The defense alone is already better than Collins provides.... Think like a championship team not a team that is ok just making the playoffs.....

Sorry, but if you think Collins and 6 is what a loser franchise would take then you need to stop thinking like a loser franchise. Losers always have their head in the clouds looking for that pie in the sky. Collins is a very good basketball player and I'm talking about getting Collins and pick 6 who could easily be a star player if we do our homework. Most national analysts think Collins straight up for #1 is a pretty solid deal for the Wolves.

Let me ask you a question- Do you think Collins gets us over the top for a championship? If the answer is no as most on here I assume would agree with...... then you can't make that trade..... You are capped out and will barely be a playoff team let alone a championship caliber team. If you love Collins why not take Wiseman on the rookie deal and get someone to protect the rim. You also now have a bunch of money to sign other players because you are not capped out..... This is not hard to follow.... I am not attacking you but I think if you look at it it is easy to see. The draft falls off like a cliff after pick 3. Collins will need a max or near max contract and are we a championship team? Again, I think clearly the answer is that we are not a championship team so what other moves are you going to make to get us there???? Collins and Obi Toppen?????? LOL! I will sit back and listen......

I think there is a better than 50% chance Wiseman is there at 6. Taking Wiseman at 1 and paying him around 10 million his first year isn't good use of cap space, when you could get someone like Noel for a few million dollars. Make the trade than trade 6 and/or 17, with Johnson for a decent role player.