Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning
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Personally, I do not think that Ja Morant is a high-impact player, and he is problematic off of the court (this is a kind way to put it...), but this is a situation that is probably worth keeping on our radar.
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Personally, I do not think that Ja Morant is a high-impact player, and he is problematic off of the court (this is a kind way to put it...), but this is a situation that is probably worth keeping on our radar.
I'd only take him really cheap. But mathematically it is impossible without adding Jaden, Naz, Julius or Rudy for him which I would not do.
Rob, Mike, DDV isn't enough in salary, 10m short. Even if you add Miller and Ingles to the above 3 still does not work and you cannot take any more money back.
It has to be either a rookie level contract or 18-25 AT MOST. Sexton or Ivey remain my favorites
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ILC wrote:Domejandro wrote:
Personally, I do not think that Ja Morant is a high-impact player, and he is problematic off of the court (this is a kind way to put it...), but this is a situation that is probably worth keeping on our radar.
I'd only take him really cheap. But mathematically it is impossible without adding Jaden, Naz, Julius or Rudy for him which I would not do.
Rob, Mike, DDV isn't enough in salary, 10m short. Even if you add Miller and Ingles to the above 3 still does not work and you cannot take any more money back.
It has to be either a rookie level contract or 18-25 AT MOST. Sexton or Ivey remain my favorites
If Rudy was involved I wonder if either team would want to swap Joan for Edey. Rocco probably isn’t ready so simply converting him wouldn’t be enough to solve the backup C position. But Edey could start in place Rudy and adding Morant would make us the best backcourt in the NBA.
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Domejandro wrote:
Personally, I do not think that Ja Morant is a high-impact player, and he is problematic off of the court (this is a kind way to put it...), but this is a situation that is probably worth keeping on our radar.
He's also problematic ON the court.
He's not a good teammate and with his 3PT% hovering around 30% you don't really have to guard him on the perimeter anymore.
It would be tempting to try to pair him with Ant but Gobert would almost certainly have to be gone because he would clog up all the room Ja needs in the paint and we would have to completely change our playstyle to maximize speed and athleticism.
Randle and McDaniels would fit well with him though.
So hard to make moves not knowing yet what we truly have in Beringer.
If we knew we could get 25 minutes of league average Center play from Beringer it would open up so many more trade possibilities.
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Id roll the dice in trading for Morant and offer a deal around McDaniels/Dillingham/Divincenzo.Yes roster wouldn't fit perfectly but would assume we'd make a following move as well in Gobert during the season or off season.
Edwards/Morant/Randle/Beringer could be one hell of a starting line up with a following Gobert trade being made to address the SF or if we keep Gobert you use Clack in that spot and still have a bench with Reid,Conley,Shannon Jr,Beringer and maybe actually find a few minutes for Miller.
Again would be a massive roll of the dice for Finch & Connelly and if he back fires would cost them there jons but if it works your looking at a likely NBA Championship or Championships during this run.
Id view the move similar to when Thibs rolled the dice on Jimmy which I'd still do in hindsight even with it in the end blowing up.
Edwards/Morant/Randle/Beringer could be one hell of a starting line up with a following Gobert trade being made to address the SF or if we keep Gobert you use Clack in that spot and still have a bench with Reid,Conley,Shannon Jr,Beringer and maybe actually find a few minutes for Miller.
Again would be a massive roll of the dice for Finch & Connelly and if he back fires would cost them there jons but if it works your looking at a likely NBA Championship or Championships during this run.
Id view the move similar to when Thibs rolled the dice on Jimmy which I'd still do in hindsight even with it in the end blowing up.
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younggunsmn wrote:Domejandro wrote:
Personally, I do not think that Ja Morant is a high-impact player, and he is problematic off of the court (this is a kind way to put it...), but this is a situation that is probably worth keeping on our radar.
He's also problematic ON the court.
He's not a good teammate and with his 3PT% hovering around 30% you don't really have to guard him on the perimeter anymore.
It would be tempting to try to pair him with Ant but Gobert would almost certainly have to be gone because he would clog up all the room Ja needs in the paint and we would have to completely change our playstyle to maximize speed and athleticism.
Randle and McDaniels would fit well with him though.
So hard to make moves not knowing yet what we truly have in Beringer.
If we knew we could get 25 minutes of league average Center play from Beringer it would open up so many more trade possibilities.
This has zero impact on potential moves. If they can’t get Gobert off the books they will do it without blinking.
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Domejandro wrote:
Personally, I do not think that Ja Morant is a high-impact player, and he is problematic off of the court (this is a kind way to put it...), but this is a situation that is probably worth keeping on our radar.
I am very much intrigued by the possibility, and I think I would be willing to give him a chance. He’s a risk, but he’s that good if he’s engaged and used in the right way.
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Klomp wrote:Domejandro wrote:
Personally, I do not think that Ja Morant is a high-impact player, and he is problematic off of the court (this is a kind way to put it...), but this is a situation that is probably worth keeping on our radar.
I am very much intrigued by the possibility, and I think I would be willing to give him a chance. He’s a risk, but he’s that good if he’s engaged and used in the right way.
100% …
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For those comparing the difference between Ja Morant and De'Aaron Fox, Morant comes in two years younger, and a lower contract number after this year.
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If you can get Ja, and/or Zion, you take your chances. Both injury prone , both dominant when healthy. Ja fixes so much wrong with team. Maybe Mike can go back to Memphis and ride out into the sunset a grizzly old man.
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My thoughts are as follows.
1. Ja has never not been the best player on his team. The risk is that being Robin to Ant’s Batman could be difficult with his issues.
2. Ja is not a good 3 point shooter. If we don’t have Ja on ball using his skills to get to the rim, but instead park him a corner like we do with Mike, then we will get much less out of him.
3. Since his rookie season his most games played has been 63.
Rewards.
1. His resale value will be high. Ja is 26, which is just beginning his prime.
2. Ant is 24 and will soon enter his prime. Jaden is 25, and just about to enter his, Naz is 26, Joan 19, and TSJ is 25. If this is a young core to build around with Randle as the experienced high scoring vet the window is wide open.
3. Griz are in a tricky spot in a loaded west. They gave up Bane already, and now Morant seems to want out. This creates an opportunity to buy lower than usual. Although this is a double edged sword as other teams might try to outbid us.
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My thoughts are as follows.
1. Ja has never not been the best player on his team. The risk is that being Robin to Ant’s Batman could be difficult with his issues.
2. Ja is not a good 3 point shooter. If we don’t have Ja on ball using his skills to get to the rim, but instead park him a corner like we do with Mike, then we will get much less out of him.
3. Since his rookie season his most games played has been 63.
Rewards.
1. His resale value will be high. Ja is 26, which is just beginning his prime.
2. Ant is 24 and will soon enter his prime. Jaden is 25, and just about to enter his, Naz is 26, Joan 19, and TSJ is 25. If this is a young core to build around with Randle as the experienced high scoring vet the window is wide open.
3. Griz are in a tricky spot in a loaded west. They gave up Bane already, and now Morant seems to want out. This creates an opportunity to buy lower than usual. Although this is a double edged sword as other teams might try to outbid us.
I think the problem is that Memphis would ask for all (or most) of the players bolded. I don't see any world where they don't demand at least McDaniels and Beringer.
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BlacJacMac wrote:winforlose wrote:
My thoughts are as follows.
1. Ja has never not been the best player on his team. The risk is that being Robin to Ant’s Batman could be difficult with his issues.
2. Ja is not a good 3 point shooter. If we don’t have Ja on ball using his skills to get to the rim, but instead park him a corner like we do with Mike, then we will get much less out of him.
3. Since his rookie season his most games played has been 63.
Rewards.
1. His resale value will be high. Ja is 26, which is just beginning his prime.
2. Ant is 24 and will soon enter his prime. Jaden is 25, and just about to enter his, Naz is 26, Joan 19, and TSJ is 25. If this is a young core to build around with Randle as the experienced high scoring vet the window is wide open.
3. Griz are in a tricky spot in a loaded west. They gave up Bane already, and now Morant seems to want out. This creates an opportunity to buy lower than usual. Although this is a double edged sword as other teams might try to outbid us.
I think the problem is that Memphis would ask for all (or most) of the players bolded. I don't see any world where they don't demand at least McDaniels and Beringer.
His value is quite depressed at the moment, I don’t see him being worth McDaniels. The trade board has Ja as a negative asset. Once Ja demands out there position gets weaker. If we offered to swap Joan for Edey and throw in Dilly that would solve our center problem. Then Rudy goes to a third team, and his value plus necessary salary goes to Memphis, assuming Memphis plans to tank. If they don’t I am not sure what Memphis does. Either way, Jaden is capable of dropping an efficient 20-30 will playing elite defense. He is also 25, on an amazing contract, and playing with his best friends in Ant and Naz. You don’t give that up for a head case who cannot play 65 games a year and is not on a great deal.
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