Ricky Rubio #9

walk with me · Post #21 » by **walk with me** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:27 pm

What is this bridge PG you guys are talking about? Been watching nba basketball for 20 plus years and have never heard of such a thing.

Some of you I feel like are trying to make Dunn something that he isn't. Right now he's simply not that guy and he seems 2-3 years away from being "that guy" I'm 100% sure if thibs knew Dunn would be this underwhelming he would have just traded the pick away.

No playoffs for 13 years = need to win now... Dunn isn't in any win now equation and the team definitely isn't tanking. They're pretty close to the 8 seed as of today.

Merc_Porto · Post #22 » by **Merc_Porto** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:42 pm

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-saturday-what-to-make-of-ricky-rubio/

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-saturday-no-love-for-ricky-rubio/

"Whether the Timberwolves move Rubio this season or not, it seems as though his value on the court and reasonable contract are being undervalued in Minnesota."

walk with me · Post #23 » by **walk with me** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:32 pm

mercgold3 wrote:
"Whether the Timberwolves move Rubio this season or not, it seems as though his value on the court and reasonable contract are being undervalued in Minnesota."

Reasonable contract? What makes his contract reasonable?

Post #24 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:37 pm

walk with me wrote:What is this bridge PG you guys are talking about? Been watching nba basketball for 20 plus years and have never heard of such a thing.

Someone who can start right away but eventually slide down to being a backup once Dunn is ready.

Post #25 » by **Worm Guts** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:38 pm

walk with me wrote:
mercgold3 wrote:
"Whether the Timberwolves move Rubio this season or not, it seems as though his value on the court and reasonable contract are being undervalued in Minnesota."

Reasonable contract? What makes his contract reasonable?

It's less than half of Mike Conley's annual salary. If you want to sign a better PG than Rubio on the free agent market, it's probably going to cost you 20+ million per season.

walk with me · Post #26 » by **walk with me** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:48 pm

Klomp wrote:
walk with me wrote:What is this bridge PG you guys are talking about? Been watching nba basketball for 20 plus years and have never heard of such a thing.

Someone who can start right away but eventually slide down to being a backup once Dunn is ready.

never heard of that till now. Still kind of silly to me? Why would you play someone "serviceable" until a back up is a ready, that doesn't even make sense to me. Why not just get rid of both guys and bring in someone who can hoop? Good players are typically ready to go from day 1, some just take a bit longer than others to fully develop.

Worm Guts wrote:
walk with me wrote:
mercgold3 wrote:
"Whether the Timberwolves move Rubio this season or not, it seems as though his value on the court and reasonable contract are being undervalued in Minnesota."

Reasonable contract? What makes his contract reasonable?

It's less than half of Mike Conley's annual salary. If you want to sign a better PG than Rubio on the free agent market, it's probably going to cost you 20+ million per season.

that is true but I don't think THAT makes his contract reasonable. Depending on your opinion of how good ricky is, there are anywhere from 6-13 PGs better then rubio who are paid less then rubio and not on a rookie deal. The original deal was bad. The fact that it's a movable deal i suppose makes it reasonable.

edit: separately...conley was an overpay IMO but atleast he made sense for what Memphis does.

SanesTrebol · Post #27 » by **SanesTrebol** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:03 pm

walk with me wrote:
Klomp wrote:
walk with me wrote:What is this bridge PG you guys are talking about? Been watching nba basketball for 20 plus years and have never heard of such a thing.

Someone who can start right away but eventually slide down to being a backup once Dunn is ready.

never heard of that till now. Still kind of silly to me? Why would you play someone "serviceable" until a back up is a ready, that doesn't even make sense to me. Why not just get rid of both guys and bring in someone who can hoop? Good players are typically ready to go from day 1, some just take a bit longer than others to fully develop.

Worm Guts wrote:
walk with me wrote:
Reasonable contract? What makes his contract reasonable?

It's less than half of Mike Conley's annual salary. If you want to sign a better PG than Rubio on the free agent market, it's probably going to cost you 20+ million per season.

that is true but I don't think THAT makes his contract reasonable. Depending on your opinion of how good ricky is, there are anywhere from 6-13 PGs better then rubio who are paid less then rubio and not on a rookie deal. The original deal was bad. The fact that it's a movable deal i suppose makes it reasonable.

edit: separately...conley was an overpay IMO but atleast he made sense for what Memphis does.

Which ones have more than 2 years contract?.

theGreatRC · Post #28 » by **theGreatRC** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:04 pm

walk with me wrote:What is this bridge PG you guys are talking about? Been watching nba basketball for 20 plus years and have never heard of such a thing.

Some of you I feel like are trying to make Dunn something that he isn't. Right now he's simply not that guy and he seems 2-3 years away from being "that guy" I'm 100% sure if thibs knew Dunn would be this underwhelming he would have just traded the pick away.

No playoffs for 13 years = need to win now... Dunn isn't in any win now equation and the team definitely isn't tanking. They're pretty close to the 8 seed as of today.

Only reason I said bridge guard is because Minny reporters are saying that's what Thibs wants to do. I've never heard of bridge guard in my life either lol.

Trust me, I want the playoffs THIS YEAR, so sick of sitting through losing years, but we need 1 more big than we need a guard trade

Nick K · Post #29 » by **Nick K** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:21 pm

mercgold3 wrote:http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-saturday-what-to-make-of-ricky-rubio/

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-saturday-no-love-for-ricky-rubio/

"Whether the Timberwolves move Rubio this season or not, it seems as though his value on the court and reasonable contract are being undervalued in Minnesota."

The worst thing about Ricky is that other teams aren't willing to give us anything for him. I wonder why? We should at least be able to get a starter plus a 1st round pick for him.

Merc_Porto · Post #30 » by **Merc_Porto** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:36 pm

Nick K wrote:
mercgold3 wrote:http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-saturday-what-to-make-of-ricky-rubio/

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-saturday-no-love-for-ricky-rubio/

"Whether the Timberwolves move Rubio this season or not, it seems as though his value on the court and reasonable contract are being undervalued in Minnesota."

The worst thing about Ricky is that other teams aren't willing to give us anything for him. I wonder why?

Teams are not going to overpay for a guy that has been treated so badly this past 6 months. Of course Ricky value is low right now, not a suprise. It's a matter of time until he get's traded. We know, and the other teams know as well.

walk with me · Post #31 » by **walk with me** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:59 pm

theGreatRC wrote:

Only reason I said bridge guard is because Minny reporters are saying that's what Thibs wants to do. I've never heard of bridge guard in my life either lol.

Trust me, I want the playoffs THIS YEAR, so sick of sitting through losing years, but we need 1 more big than we need a guard trade

I HIGHLY doubts thibs is actually taking this approach.

Post #32 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:20 pm

theGreatRC wrote:Only reason I said bridge guard is because Minny reporters are saying that's what Thibs wants to do. I've never heard of bridge guard in my life either lol.

Woj said it.

The Timberwolves have attached Rubio to multiple offers with Shabazz Muhammad to several teams around the NBA, league sources said. Minnesota has been seeking something of a “bridge” guard in return, a player capable of starting in the short term, but who’ll ultimately settle into a backup role and give way to rookie Kris Dunn to become the long-term starter, league sources said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources-timberwolves-actively-shopping-ricky-rubio-212933973.html

theGreatRC · Post #33 » by **theGreatRC** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:22 pm

Klomp wrote:
theGreatRC wrote:Only reason I said bridge guard is because Minny reporters are saying that's what Thibs wants to do. I've never heard of bridge guard in my life either lol.

Woj said it.

The Timberwolves have attached Rubio to multiple offers with Shabazz Muhammad to several teams around the NBA, league sources said. Minnesota has been seeking something of a “bridge” guard in return, a player capable of starting in the short term, but who’ll ultimately settle into a backup role and give way to rookie Kris Dunn to become the long-term starter, league sources said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources-timberwolves-actively-shopping-ricky-rubio-212933973.html

Ahh, there you go. Thanks Klomp.

With that said, it still makes sense to have Rubes here if that is the plan.

Post #34 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:38 pm

Guessing they want a better complement, rather than a guy with a redundant skill set.

Merc_Porto · Post #35 » by **Merc_Porto** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:51 pm

Read on Twitter

Post #36 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:54 pm

mercgold3 wrote:

Read on Twitter

"according to information handled by the journalist Antoni Daimiel of Movistar +"

Spanish friends, is this guy credible?

LibertyPrime · Post #37 » by **LibertyPrime** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:00 am

walk with me wrote:What is this bridge PG you guys are talking about? Been watching nba basketball for 20 plus years and have never heard of such a thing.

Some of you I feel like are trying to make Dunn something that he isn't. Right now he's simply not that guy and he seems 2-3 years away from being "that guy" I'm 100% sure if thibs knew Dunn would be this underwhelming he would have just traded the pick away.

No playoffs for 13 years = need to win now... Dunn isn't in any win now equation and the team definitely isn't tanking. They're pretty close to the 8 seed as of today.

The "bridge" PG is just a rhetorical argument that makes it more palatable that we would entertain trading the best PG on our roster.... this idea that Dunn WILL be ready but he's not right now, and so all we need is someone to plug the gap until he is.

I want to see more evidence that Dunn will become the floor general we thought he would be before I entertain trading Ricky.

Tonight's game should be an interesting test of the "bridge PG" idea... let's see what the kid brings when he's with the starters from minute 1. If we can slaughter a Nuggets team missing some important pieces - well, that lends a small amount of credence to the idea. If, on the other hand, everything falls apart against an inferior and injured Nuggets team - and I'm not saying it will, I'm rooting for Kris here - then those who want Ricky traded need to re-think things a bit.

Nirv · Post #38 » by **Nirv** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:04 am

Klomp wrote:
mercgold3 wrote:

Read on Twitter

"according to information handled by the journalist Antoni Daimiel of Movistar +"

Spanish friends, is this guy credible?

He is a classic spanish journalist who is specialized in NBA since the 90's. He never bullshits with fake information and always had great passion about basketball, so maybe this information comes from another reliable source that has reached him.

But you never know, maybe is best to trust Minnesotan sources, that would be logical.

walk with me · Post #39 » by **walk with me** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:10 am

Klomp wrote:
Woj said it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources-timberwolves-actively-shopping-ricky-rubio-212933973.html

good looks on finding that. I still don't see that as the plan. Who would event fit in that category anyways? This would have made sense if the wolves did something with SAC and ended up getting collison. That seems impossible now that rudy gay went down.

theGreatRC wrote:
With that said, it still makes sense to have Rubes here if that is the plan.

rubio has to be 1 foot out the door. Whether a trade happens now or in the off season. Love ricky or hate ricky his particular skill set doesn't make sense for this team. Ideal fit is a chauncey billups type.

Klomp wrote:

Spanish friends, is this guy credible?

the bulls could make sense from their perspective. They want to get rid of rondo and they could trade rondo for ricky str8 up. I don't see the wolves wanting anything to do with rondo. The knicks, I don't see it. Trading Drose for Ricky makes zero sense for the knicks, especially considering drose contract expires this summer

firyGM · Post #40 » by **firyGM** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:16 am

Daimiel is the best NBA journalist of Spain.

Nirv wrote:
Klomp wrote:
mercgold3 wrote:

Read on Twitter

"according to information handled by the journalist Antoni Daimiel of Movistar +"

Spanish friends, is this guy credible?

He is a classic spanish journalist who is specialized in NBA since the 90's. He never **** with fake information and always had great passion about basketball, so maybe this information comes from another reliable source that has reached him.

But you never know, maybe is best to trust Minnesotan sources, that would be logical.

I agree with him.

Jajajaja que pasa Nirv? Por fin nos vemos en este foro xD.