Trade Talk (Part Five)

[Baseline81]

With serious question marks on this year's draft depth, this bumps his trade value up. As someone who was highly critical of his Rookie season, I acknowledge that he improved as the season went along.

I view his value as still an asset.

I guess a better question might be, if Culver were in this draft would he be the raging consensus #1 pick?

Would the Wolves even get a top-20 first round pick for him?

[Rookie-Mistake]

Yes.

With serious question marks on this year's draft depth, this bumps his trade value up. As someone who was highly critical of his Rookie season, I acknowledge that he improved as the season went along.

I view his value as still an asset.

I guess a better question might be, if Culver were in this draft would he be the raging consensus #1 pick?

Would the Wolves even get a top-20 first round pick for him?

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[Dewey]

With serious question marks on this year's draft depth, this bumps his trade value up. As someone who was highly critical of his Rookie season, I acknowledge that he improved as the season went along.

I view his value as still an asset.

I guess a better question might be, if Culver were in this draft would he be the raging consensus #1 pick?

Would the Wolves even get a top-20 first round pick for him?

Depends how much you suck up the media hype on the current draft prospects ...

[Jedzz]

Yes.

With serious question marks on this year's draft depth, this bumps his trade value up. As someone who was highly critical of his Rookie season, I acknowledge that he improved as the season went along.

I view his value as still an asset.

I guess a better question might be, if Culver were in this draft would he be the raging consensus #1 pick?

Would the Wolves even get a top-20 first round pick for him?

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There are 15 players or more in this draft that looked better than him while in college. What makes you think "raging consensus #1"? This draft has depth, what it doesn't have is a consensus #1 that anyone can agree on. What I think everyone seems to be agreeing on is that they don't want to talk up a lot of these special players in this draft and end up having the loser teams at the top of the lottery taking them all.

[Jedzz]

Any chance Thibs feels like dealing with his recent former team on trades? Do you think there could be any connection with Knicks now with Thibs there, or has than that bridge been burned?

[IceManBK1]

Any chance Thibs feels like dealing with his recent former team on trades? Do you think there could be any connection with Knicks now with Thibs there, or has than bridge been burned?

Dont think he's gonna trade Mitchell Robinson to us...if we're outta options, i don't mind sending them JJ+couple of 2nd Rders for Julius Randle and Ntilikina. Randle complements this team in a certain way. He sets great screens, has guard-like handles, can pass and can somewhat stretch the floor, good off reb/reber in general. plays avg defense. his contract for '22 is only partially guaranteed for 4 mil.

[shrink]

Question for you guys...where does everyone view Culver’s trade value? Like what pick in this draft or individual player would you trade for him?

I think around #10 in this draft, but most GM’s hold onto their prospect for at least a year and a half, hoping to be proven right,

[Neeva]

Yes.

Would the Wolves even get a top-20 first round pick for him?

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There are 15 players or more in this draft that looked better than him while in college. What makes you think "raging consensus #1"? This draft has depth, what it doesn't have is a consensus #1 that anyone can agree on. What I think everyone seems to be agreeing on is that they don't want to talk up a lot of these special players in this draft and end up having the loser teams at the top of the lottery taking them all.

You really dont even watch games, Culver literally carried his team to the college championship.

[Neeva]

I don’t see Rosas trading down below 3. I think he really wants to hit a homerun this draft. The top three all have warts but they are still the biggest possible BOOM players in this draft. I don’t think there is that big a difference between picks 4 through 20 to be honest and Avdija, Toppin, Okoro, Vessell, Hayes etc all will be good role players if they hit their potential while the top 3 will be multiple time all stars if they BOOM and not bust. The top three is just getting a ton of hate because they made bad decisions that hurt their draft stock (Wiseman quitting Memphis, Ball skipping the NCAA for australia league, Edwards picking a badly coached untalented Georgia team over Kentucky or Kansas when he NEEDS good coaching and development the most)

[shrink]

Are all Trade Talks “Part Four” now, Domejandro?

[Biff Cooper]

Question for you guys...where does everyone view Culver’s trade value? Like what pick in this draft or individual player would you trade for him?

It seems like a lot of players make a big jump between their first and second years in the NBA. They've had a chance to see where their games are lacking and can tailor an off-season work-out to really improve upon their weaknesses. I'm hoping that he has done this and really worked his butt off this off-season - and looked good enough in the recent camp that we wouldn't trade him for less than a top 5 pick. From what I saw of him last year though, he probably only currently has 15-20 pick value in this draft.

[Baseline81]

Saw this on the Knicks forum (from Jonathon Macri's newsletter):

New York gets: 17th pick, 33rd pick, Jarrett Culver, James Johnson

Minnesota gets: 8th pick, 27th pick, 2021 Dallas 1st (T4 Protected), Julius Randle

This obviously hinges on what both teams think of Culver, and to a lesser extent who’s still available at 17.

On the surface, it looks like an overpay for the Knicks. We might all be sick of Randle, but he’s still a helpful player in the right situation, and Towns’ range will minimize the damage caused by Julius’ lack thereof.

It’s also quite clear from the scuttlebutt (drink!) around the league that Minnesota isn’t enamored with the 1st overall pick. This trade would allow them to either deal the first pick for a star(ish) level player and still have a top ten selection, or package 1 and 8 for someone better (how quickly do the Wizards hang up if offered 1, 8, 27, and Malik Beasley in a sign and trade?)

Lastly, the Wolves get a first back for next year after sending theirs away in the DLo trade. It’s not a bad deal.

So why would the Knicks do it? For one, it wipes away Randle’s $4 million guarantee for 2021-22. So there’s that. Plus, there’s a real chance that the guy New York really wants will still be there at 17. If we assume that after the top five, Hayes, Okongwu, Okoro, Vassell, Haliburton, Kira, Nesmith, Precious Achiuwa and Patrick Williams all go before 17, that means one of Tyrese Maxey (my guess as to who they want) Tyrell Terry or RJ Hampton will be there, to say nothing of Josh Green, Jalen Smith, Saddiq Bey, Poku, and yes, Cole Anthony.

If the Knicks don’t feel like the downgrade from 8 to 17 is all that severe, they’re essentially swapping a likely pick in the 20’s next year for the 6th overall pick last year (plus 27 for 33, which maybe wouldn’t even be necessary). I’ve said repeatedly that the team’s focus is on improving its possibilities for next year’s draft, but if they can turn Culver into a legitimately interesting pro, he’d be one hell of a trade asset in his own right.

There’s a lot of moving parts here which always makes a deal tough, but the Wolves want to win now, and this trade helps them do that. The Knicks, meanwhile, get a pretty substantial lottery ticket and a draftee they still like. I’d kick the tires.

[Domejandro]

Are all Trade Talks “Part Four” now, Domejandro?

Don’t moderate and write policy essays on the relationship between the CSDP and NATO at the same time, folks.... crazy things will happen!

Fixed.

[shrink]

Are all Trade Talks “Part Four” now, Domejandro?

Don’t moderate and write policy essays on the relationship between the CSDP and NATO at the same time, folks.... crazy things will happen!

Fixed.

I chuckled because the first post was ..

I’m taking the opportunity of having the first reply to bring up Aaron Gordon for James Johnson and 17 for the 1000th time.

[shrink]

Saw this on the Knicks forum (from Jonathon Macri's newsletter):

New York gets: 17th pick, 33rd pick, Jarrett Culver, James Johnson

Minnesota gets: 8th pick, 27th pick, 2021 Dallas 1st (T4 Protected), Julius Randle

This obviously hinges on what both teams think of Culver, and to a lesser extent who’s still available at 17.

On the surface, it looks like an overpay for the Knicks. We might all be sick of Randle, but he’s still a helpful player in the right situation, and Towns’ range will minimize the damage caused by Julius’ lack thereof.

It’s also quite clear from the scuttlebutt (drink!) around the league that Minnesota isn’t enamored with the 1st overall pick. This trade would allow them to either deal the first pick for a star(ish) level player and still have a top ten selection, or package 1 and 8 for someone better (how quickly do the Wizards hang up if offered 1, 8, 27, and Malik Beasley in a sign and trade?)

Lastly, the Wolves get a first back for next year after sending theirs away in the DLo trade. It’s not a bad deal.

So why would the Knicks do it? For one, it wipes away Randle’s $4 million guarantee for 2021-22. So there’s that. Plus, there’s a real chance that the guy New York really wants will still be there at 17. If we assume that after the top five, Hayes, Okongwu, Okoro, Vassell, Haliburton, Kira, Nesmith, Precious Achiuwa and Patrick Williams all go before 17, that means one of Tyrese Maxey (my guess as to who they want) Tyrell Terry or RJ Hampton will be there, to say nothing of Josh Green, Jalen Smith, Saddiq Bey, Poku, and yes, Cole Anthony.

If the Knicks don’t feel like the downgrade from 8 to 17 is all that severe, they’re essentially swapping a likely pick in the 20’s next year for the 6th overall pick last year (plus 27 for 33, which maybe wouldn’t even be necessary). I’ve said repeatedly that the team’s focus is on improving its possibilities for next year’s draft, but if they can turn Culver into a legitimately interesting pro, he’d be one hell of a trade asset in his own right.

There’s a lot of moving parts here which always makes a deal tough, but the Wolves want to win now, and this trade helps them do that. The Knicks, meanwhile, get a pretty substantial lottery ticket and a draftee they still like. I’d kick the tires.

This is a really interesting trade. I don’t agree with all the things they say about MIN, but if you want to get out of Culver, this is a decent way to do it.

It’s hard for me though to give this a thumbs up or down. I know the #8 pick has that new car smell, but will it really be a better prospect than Culver in a weak draft? People may disagree with me, but I have

Culver => #8
#27 <= #33
Johnson (expiring) => Randle (for what we do)
#17 >= DAL 2021 1st (I believe in Luka)

It’s a fair offer, and unique, but one I’d decline. This might work better as a three team deal.

[shrink]

I don’t see Rosas trading down below 3. I think he really wants to hit a homerun this draft. The top three all have warts but they are still the biggest possible BOOM players in this draft. I don’t think there is that big a difference between picks 4 through 20 to be honest and Avdija, Toppin, Okoro, Vessell, Hayes etc all will be good role players if they hit their potential while the top 3 will be multiple time all stars if they BOOM and not bust. The top three is just getting a ton of hate because they made bad decisions that hurt their draft stock (Wiseman quitting Memphis, Ball skipping the NCAA for australia league, Edwards picking a badly coached untalented Georgia team over Kentucky or Kansas when he NEEDS good coaching and development the most)

This is my thinking as well.

Many people with upper picks think their pick is equal value, like “why give up anything to move up from 5 to 1 — their the same tier?” I think it’s still a top three tier until we see more in pre-draft workouts, but in a deal where every pick has warts, I want to choose first, especially if someone emerges. I am getting a perverse glee on the trade board when I see a GSW fan works hard to get good value for their #2 pick, to step in an say, “oh, MIN might offer #1 for that.” This shows the first pick, which guarantees you getting who you want, is still the trump card. Stars define franchises, and I agree with neeva and would imagine Rosa’s with his scouting background wants the first choice.

[Jedzz]

Yes.

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There are 15 players or more in this draft that looked better than him while in college. What makes you think "raging consensus #1"? This draft has depth, what it doesn't have is a consensus #1 that anyone can agree on. What I think everyone seems to be agreeing on is that they don't want to talk up a lot of these special players in this draft and end up having the loser teams at the top of the lottery taking them all.

You really dont even watch games, Culver literally carried his team to the college championship.

You apparently don't watch games since Culver. There are plenty of players in this very draft that carried their teams. I luv your repeat claim about me not watching games however. I'm starting to see the projection of your situation.

[Baseline81]

You apparently don't watch games since Culver. There are plenty of players in this very draft that carried their teams. I luv your repeat claim about me not watching games however. I'm starting to see the projection of your situation.

It's an honest question, especially since you bang away on so-called top-3 prospects. Have you really watched them or those you like? Or do you see YouTube clips like many of us?

[UnFadeable21]

Need to trade for Aaron Gordon or even Larry Nance with 17 and Johnson.

Take LaMelo at 1

DLO
Lamelo
Layman
Gordon/Nance
Towns

Culver
Beasley
Okogie
Juancho
Naz

Let’s play!

[UnFadeable21]

Would you guys traded pick 17 and Johnson for Larry Nance?

For the Timberwolves