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Post#21 » by jpatrick » Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:20 am

mercgold3 wrote:Starting by trading this scrub would be a great first step...

via John Hollinger @ The Athletic

Minnesota has been outscored by a whopping 14.1 points per 100 possessions when Russell plays — by far the worst figure on the team. When he sits, the Wolves are nearly a break-even proposition, and that includes several hundred minutes without Towns. You could dismiss this as a statistical fluke more easily if last season’s Warriors weren’t also better without him.


The move for Russell was a fireable offense for Rosas. He wasn’t worth the money if we signed him as a FA. But hey, let’s give Wiggins, who is a highly negative asset but a better player than Russell, and a lotto pick in a very good draft (whether this or next year).

Just make all the other moves except the Russel/Wiggins swap and draft Ball instead of Edwards, I think we’d be considered one of the best young teams in the league. Especially since we be adding another too 7-8 player in this years draft.
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Post#22 » by Neeva » Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:28 am

jpatrick wrote:
mercgold3 wrote:Starting by trading this scrub would be a great first step...

via John Hollinger @ The Athletic

Minnesota has been outscored by a whopping 14.1 points per 100 possessions when Russell plays — by far the worst figure on the team. When he sits, the Wolves are nearly a break-even proposition, and that includes several hundred minutes without Towns. You could dismiss this as a statistical fluke more easily if last season’s Warriors weren’t also better without him.


The move for Russell was a fireable offense for Rosas. He wasn’t worth the money if we signed him as a FA. But hey, let’s give Wiggins, who is a highly negative asset but a better player than Russell, and a lotto pick in a very good draft (whether this or next year).

Just make all the other moves except the Russel/Wiggins swap and draft Ball instead of Edwards, I think we’d be considered one of the best young teams in the league. Especially since we be adding another too 7-8 player in this years draft.


He made that move to appease towns, when he should have traded towns instead, starting over with fresh young team
Is what a new gm needs not the pressure of winning immediately to keep Towns happy. Towns is not a Curry or Leonard.
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Post#23 » by winforlose » Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:31 am

jpatrick wrote:
mercgold3 wrote:Starting by trading this scrub would be a great first step...

via John Hollinger @ The Athletic

Minnesota has been outscored by a whopping 14.1 points per 100 possessions when Russell plays — by far the worst figure on the team. When he sits, the Wolves are nearly a break-even proposition, and that includes several hundred minutes without Towns. You could dismiss this as a statistical fluke more easily if last season’s Warriors weren’t also better without him.


The move for Russell was a fireable offense for Rosas. He wasn’t worth the money if we signed him as a FA. But hey, let’s give Wiggins, who is a highly negative asset but a better player than Russell, and a lotto pick in a very good draft (whether this or next year).

Just make all the other moves except the Russel/Wiggins swap and draft Ball instead of Edwards, I think we’d be considered one of the best young teams in the league. Especially since we be adding another too 7-8 player in this years draft.


I read a great article recently (I think on CanisHoopus, but I could be wrong,) it advocated for Dlo playing the SG and showed his numbers to be excellent offensively when he played off the ball. I will try and remember where I saw it, this was about a week ago. As for Dlo’s defense, having a true scheme will help, and having KAT instead of Naz will help. Say what you want about KAT’s defense, but he is miles ahead of Naz. Also I think it was Jed or Klomp, cannot remember who specifically pointed out that in the starting PG slot Rubio had similar negative numbers. This is a function of the lack of defensive intensity among the entire starting unit, not just Dlo. Don’t give up on anyone yet, especially if Finch can do something with the scheme, even if it is as simple as getting the guys to actually follow it.
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Post#24 » by winforlose » Tue Mar 2, 2021 5:49 pm

I thought people would be interested to know that Finch made comments about the rotation and you can find them on hoopshype. It sounds like in the near future there will be changes to the starting lineup so Towns will have some more scorers to pass to. It also suggests there will be more tinkering with the rotations going forward.

Combine those comments with the AS break and I think we might finally see some variation from Ryan’s old game plans.
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Post#25 » by wolfen » Tue Mar 2, 2021 8:52 pm

Bring back the wolves dance squad and double it's size Finchy...
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Post#26 » by Rookie-Mistake » Thu Mar 4, 2021 9:40 am

Blow it up.

These punks are having a laugh.. get players in there that want to play for the team/coach.



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Post#27 » by breatnach » Thu Mar 4, 2021 11:05 am

packforfreedom wrote:We need to see a fully unleashed KAT. Finch wants to make him the center of everything and he's right about that. KAT needs as many touches as possible on every possession on offense. This has to be the starting point of our offensive approach.


After the first game with Finch (Bucks) he had 11 assists and since then he has had an average of 3 per game (14 over 4 games). Did the other teams defend him differently, or did the plan change?
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Post#28 » by minimus » Thu Mar 4, 2021 12:46 pm

breatnach wrote:
packforfreedom wrote:We need to see a fully unleashed KAT. Finch wants to make him the center of everything and he's right about that. KAT needs as many touches as possible on every possession on offense. This has to be the starting point of our offensive approach.


After the first game with Finch (Bucks) he had 11 assists and since then he has had an average of 3 per game (14 over 4 games). Did the other teams defend him differently, or did the plan change?


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Post#29 » by winforlose » Thu Mar 4, 2021 3:05 pm

minimus wrote:
breatnach wrote:
packforfreedom wrote:We need to see a fully unleashed KAT. Finch wants to make him the center of everything and he's right about that. KAT needs as many touches as possible on every possession on offense. This has to be the starting point of our offensive approach.


After the first game with Finch (Bucks) he had 11 assists and since then he has had an average of 3 per game (14 over 4 games). Did the other teams defend him differently, or did the plan change?


No Beasley


That and catching at the elbow eliminates the step back 3. It’s harder for KAT to get to the rim without the threat of the long ball to force the slow big up close. KAT is forced to pass more and his teammates don’t know when to cut and when not to. A lot of bad passes lead to turnovers or stalled offense because it is easy for the defense to adjust. Finch’s system doesn’t work with the current rotations.
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Post#30 » by NebWolvesFan » Thu Mar 4, 2021 5:25 pm

I feel like KAT has just lost some fire. I feel like all the on-court losses and off-court events has torn him apart. I can't remember the last game he played when I thought he was the best player on the floor. It wasn't last night.

I feel like if Minnesota gets a top-3 pick than Minnesota needs to trade him. I know Minnesota will stink, but I feel Towns will never get hop in his step back in Minnesota. Rosas gave Towns his coach and his friend (Russell) to get him back to the way he played before the Butler situation. But I worry Towns will just get worse.

If Minnesota does lose it's pick, than I say you might as well keep him. You won't have a new superstar like Cunningham or Suggs of Mobley. Just run with Russell, TownEdwards and Beasley and see how many wins you get. It's insane that those four players have only played four games together and the Wolves were 2-2 with one of the losses in OT.

Recap: If Wolves keep their pick - trade Towns.
If they lose it, keep the core and pray for good health.
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Post#31 » by Foye » Thu Mar 4, 2021 5:37 pm

Norseman79 wrote:1. Somehow turn Kat into a legit leader/star player (that means a complete mental shift and actually playing defense the entire game every game).

2. Turn DLo into a complete two way player that understands his limitations and role.

3. Balance effective minutes and rotations for young players.

4. Not hold back Edwards or McDaniels by pandering to pampered "stars" or veterans.

5. Find a successful role for Jarret Culver.

6. Get this team to be a top 10 defensive team.


Which pampered stars or veterans are you refering to? Basically all vets were traded.
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Post#32 » by Sugarless » Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:10 am

Chris Finch's and Ryan Saunders' Timberwolves:

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Post#33 » by Foye » Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:30 am

Sugarless wrote:Chris Finch's and Ryan Saunders' Timberwolves:

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Roster is still the same mess.
Not going to see much improvement until a competent GM builds a competitive roster.

Firing Saunders was only the scapegoat to save Rosas job for a couple months.

Things are not getting better until they get rid of Rosas and implement a competent GM.
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Post#34 » by Rookie-Mistake » Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:16 pm

Pretty simple
Just win games of basketball and everyone's happy.

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Post#35 » by _AIJ_ » Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:51 pm

Sugarless wrote:Chris Finch's and Ryan Saunders' Timberwolves:

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Tell me how do you make this team better? Who do you trade and for who? Rotations? Lemme hear it
LETS GO WOLVES!!! 8-)
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Post#36 » by Sugarless » Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:27 pm

_AIJ_ wrote:Tell me how do you make this team better? Who do you trade and for who? Rotations? Lemme hear it


I was writing a long rant about everything the Wolves have been doing wrong for years and everything this fanbase has never really cared about as long as they had a shiny new rookie to play with, but I'll do us all a favor and let it be. Here's the short answer instead:

Put the team ahead of the individuals for once.

Just try that.

Forget about every guy's feelings, and focus on putting on the floor a group of 5 guys that will show constant effort on both ends and try their best. You'll get more with good coaching and 5 less talented guys that give their all than you will with a bunch of me-first wannabes that could not care less about the team. Bench whoever you need to bench, don't mind the names on the back of their jerseys.

There's nothing you can do now until the summer when it comes to roster management -other than finally using the 15th roster spot that Rosas never cared to fill this season, cause it's not like this team had any real needs...- but you can still try to instill some semblance of a team mentality to some of the guys on this roster, and use it as a stepping stone for the future. It's never a bad time to start building good habits.

PS: Since you'll probably still want me to answer with a rotation:

Rubio - Beasley - McDaniels - Hernangómez - Towns
Russell - Edwards - Okogie - Vanderbilt - Reid

That's the starting five and the bench unit you begin with. Insert McLaughlin, Culver and Nowell where/when needed.
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Post#37 » by Worm Guts » Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:38 pm

I’m not sure what you want the fans to do about it, fans have no control.If you still follow the Timberwolves, you need to have something to have hope. Either the new rookie or the next draft pick or whatever. If you’re waiting on good basketball you would have given up years ago.
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Post#38 » by Slim Tubby » Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:39 pm

Hire Greg Popovich, throw Jedzz in a straight jacket, name Neeva as our Scouting Director and put Klomp & Shrink in charge of our Salary Cap.

All else fails, move the team to SEA in exchange for a Red Lobster and Benihana’s up in Brainerd.


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Post#39 » by shrink » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:14 pm

Sugarless wrote:Forget about every guy's feelings, and focus on putting on the floor a group of 5 guys that will show constant effort on both ends and try their best. You'll get more with good coaching and 5 less talented guys that give their all than you will with a bunch of me-first wannabes that could not care less about the team. Bench whoever you need to bench, don't mind the names on the back of their jerseys.

This is how I feel in my heart, but I question if I am out of step.

I’m older than many here, and one cardinal rule I was raised with was, “Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me.” My coaches drove me, called me all sorts of names that would get them canceled today if Twitter existed back then and recorded their comments. And I can only imagine the ridicule I’d have faced if I went to others and said, “but the coach hurt my feelings!” And that style of coaching made me a better player and person.

So today, while I don’t go around trying to hurt the feelings of the younger generation, I just secretly roll my eyes at these cream puffs, and how every organization (not just basketball) seems to rush to coddle them from anything negative, including even an opposing opinion.

But the kids on this team weren’t raised in my time period. They were raised in the current system, and they expect to be coddled — and probably even moreso, because they probably grew up with extra attention because of their basketball skills. Today’s NBA has more player empowerment than at any time in NBA history, and we continue to see big stars “take their talents” to one of a handful of teams. And we aren’t in that handful. Do we risk alienating talent, by treating them as equal basketball players? We know Thib’s style did not work with our players, but Ryan’s buddy-relationship style didn’t bring wins either.

I don’t know the answer. I will add that I just watched Hoosiers, like I do before the NCAA every year. I loved the scene where a good player didn’t listen to the coach, he benched him, and didn’t put him back on the floor, even when they only had four players out there. I miss the days when a coach could say, “you don’t want to play defense? Have a seat.”
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Post#40 » by Jedzz » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:26 pm

jpatrick wrote:
The move for Russell was a fireable offense for Rosas. He wasn’t worth the money if we signed him as a FA. But hey, let’s give Wiggins, who is a highly negative asset but a better player than Russell, and a lotto pi\


lame insanity. = most of you

Wigins is not better
The pick was used to get rid of wiggins.

How many millions times does it need to be said so you people stop saying this trash

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