Beginning of the end of Small Ball? "Wolves seek Power Forward"

[Baseline81]

I just don’t know if it matters at this point. I definitely don’t want Rosas trading any more future assets. Beasley for Gordon? I think value is fine but we can’t afford to lose Beasley’s shooting. If you can somehow move Rubio, Culver, Juancho, etc., fine. I don’t see it.

What if the move is McDaniels for Gordon? I don’t think I like it o it because Gordon isn’t enough to turn around this train wreck.

Collins seems like he’d be expensive both in outgoing assets as well as a Max contract this offseason.

Not happening due to salary purposes.

[RiRuHoops]

I'd take Larry Nance over Gordon. Better contract and plays within his role unlike Gordon who thinks of himself as a star while not being one (think DLo) and tries to provide offense without efficiency.

And since I'd give up Ant before Beas...

Wolves get Nance, T.Prince, possibly a lotto protected pick from Orlando or 2nd rd pick, and 2nd rd pick from Cavs or maybe a late pick if they have it.

Orlando get Edwards and Hernangomez

Cavs get Gordon and Culver.

I think PF is not the only hole on the team, Wolves have no 3&D SF with good size either. Prince is an attempt to cover that.

[shrink]

I just don’t know if it matters at this point. I definitely don’t want Rosas trading any more future assets. Beasley for Gordon? I think value is fine but we can’t afford to lose Beasley’s shooting. If you can somehow move Rubio, Culver, Juancho, etc., fine. I don’t see it.

What if the move is McDaniels for Gordon? I don’t think I like it o it because Gordon isn’t enough to turn around this train wreck.

Collins seems like he’d be expensive both in outgoing assets as well as a Max contract this offseason.

Not happening due to salary purposes.

McDaniels + Rubio for Aaron Gordon?

[shrink]

I'd take Larry Nance over Gordon. Better contract and plays within his role unlike Gordon who thinks of himself as a star while not being one (think DLo) and tries to provide offense without efficiency.

And since I'd give up Ant before Beas...

Wolves get Nance, T.Prince, possibly a lotto protected pick from Orlando or 2nd rd pick, and 2nd rd pick from Cavs or maybe a late pick if they have it.

Orlando get Edwards and Hernangomez

Cavs get Gordon and Culver.

I think PF is not the only hole on the team, Wolves have no 3&D SF with good size either. Prince is an attempt to cover that.

I wouldn’t give up Ant for Nance, but I believe a Cavs fan on the Trade Board suggested Rubio for Prince, and it got some approval from neutral fans...?

[jpatrick]

I just don’t know if it matters at this point. I definitely don’t want Rosas trading any more future assets. Beasley for Gordon? I think value is fine but we can’t afford to lose Beasley’s shooting. If you can somehow move Rubio, Culver, Juancho, etc., fine. I don’t see it.

What if the move is McDaniels for Gordon? I don’t think I like it o it because Gordon isn’t enough to turn around this train wreck.

Collins seems like he’d be expensive both in outgoing assets as well as a Max contract this offseason.

Not happening due to salary purposes.

McDaniels + Rubio for Aaron Gordon?

I think is about right for value that Orlando would want. Not sure I’d do it.

[RiRuHoops]

I'd take Larry Nance over Gordon. Better contract and plays within his role unlike Gordon who thinks of himself as a star while not being one (think DLo) and tries to provide offense without efficiency.

And since I'd give up Ant before Beas...

Wolves get Nance, T.Prince, possibly a lotto protected pick from Orlando or 2nd rd pick, and 2nd rd pick from Cavs or maybe a late pick if they have it.

Orlando get Edwards and Hernangomez

Cavs get Gordon and Culver.

I think PF is not the only hole on the team, Wolves have no 3&D SF with good size either. Prince is an attempt to cover that.

I wouldn’t give up Ant for Nance, but I believe a Cavs fan on the Trade Board suggested Rubio for Prince, and it got some approval from neutral fans...?

technically it's Nance plus draft picks.

[shrink]

McDaniels + Rubio for Aaron Gordon?

I think is about right for value that Orlando would want. Not sure I’d do it.

That’s right where I am too. Gordon would allow us to run our offense and defense better for fit, but I have liked what I’ve seen in McDaniels, and we could use his upside on that cheap deal. I’m ... maybe ..?

[SCTwins]

I like the Beasley+Rubio for Gordon+Fournier trade I've seen floating around, but I don't know that will be enough for Orlando.

D'Lo/J-Mac
Fournier/Ant/Nowell
Layman/Ant/Culver
Gordon/Jaden
KAT/Naz

Sub in Vando or Juancho where you please. Send Okogie to the showers.

Let Ant run with the 2nd unit until he gets it, or just bench him until he figures it out. Would be good for his confidence to play against 2nd units as well. Maybe he can find his shot.

Our defense will probably still be bad, but at least there is some start to balancing out the roster, and we get back a shooter for Beaz. We can also go big or small with Gordon/Jaden able to play both the 3 or 4 at times.

[SO_MONEY]

I just don’t know if it matters at this point. I definitely don’t want Rosas trading any more future assets. Beasley for Gordon? I think value is fine but we can’t afford to lose Beasley’s shooting. If you can somehow move Rubio, Culver, Juancho, etc., fine. I don’t see it.

What if the move is McDaniels for Gordon? I don’t think I like it o it because Gordon isn’t enough to turn around this train wreck.

Collins seems like he’d be expensive both in outgoing assets as well as a Max contract this offseason.

Not happening due to salary purposes.

McDaniels + Rubio for Aaron Gordon?

That is still a pass. It would not surprise me in the least that McDaniels is a better fit than Gordon. You don't trade away what you have done right for an average starting PF, that is a pretty attainable goal for McDaniels at least in a small-ball capacity...he is more a SF at the moment. The fact is Gordon is an average starting PF and we would be silly to give away players who might have higher ceilings for someone like that. Personally, I am okay with a Rubio swap, and would be willing to include Culver or Okogie and a 2nd. More than that someone else can have him. You can bring in a third team and see if there is something ORL would want over Rubio, but Gordon is not a player I would overpay for.

[theGreatRC]

I'd trade Ant + Juancho for Collins..idk if ATL would

I think we need to move from Ant while there's still some promise with him.

I'd also do Ant + Juancho for Gordon + 2021 1st (top 10 protected)

[Neeva]

Don’t let this FO make any more moves lol bring in someone competent.

Collins sucks.

[Wolf_Cry]

Don’t let this FO make any more moves lol bring in someone competent.

Collins sucks.

Agree. He sucks defensively and that's where we need the most help. Add in that he wants THE MAX (which is why the Hawks and him haven't agreed to a deal), that's a big no for me.

[shrink]

It’s quite possible this summer, Collins will ask for a max, atl will say no, and they will lose him for nothing.

Collins is a good player. Collins on a max deal is a mediocre asset.

ATL is under the gun to trade him for the best offer, to a team that’s willing to max him. That best offer is unlikely to have a piece as valuable as Ant.

[Krapinsky]

Gordon and Collins are sexy names but neither really excite me on this team. If Gordon can't win in the east with Fournier and Vucevic, he's not going to win in the West with Towns and Russell and our sad group of wings. If we are Orlando-West, I guess that's an upgrade, but I just don't see a path to meaningful playoff games.

I feel like we need to do something more dramatic with this group.

[RiRuHoops]

What do people thing of J. Grant ? Looks like a better option than Gordon.

[Jedzz]

I like the Beasley+Rubio for Gordon+Fournier trade I've seen floating around, but I don't know that will be enough for Orlando.

D'Lo/J-Mac
Fournier/Ant/Nowell
Layman/Ant/Culver
Gordon/Jaden
KAT/Naz

Sub in Vando or Juancho where you please. Send Okogie to the showers.

Let Ant run with the 2nd unit until he gets it, or just bench him until he figures it out. Would be good for his confidence to play against 2nd units as well. Maybe he can find his shot.

Our defense will probably still be bad, but at least there is some start to balancing out the roster, and we get back a shooter for Beaz. We can also go big or small with Gordon/Jaden able to play both the 3 or 4 at times.

I was assuming Fournier as the SF. Whatever the case at least he can shoot and draw fouls. I also don't think Fournier brings any rebounding which is maybe sad for a 6-7 player. I agree I don't think defense gets better but maybe the roster alignment might be better. However, if you think this team will ever stop starting Edwards at this point I'll have what you are having that let's you see that occuring. How you've shown it is how it should be, a bunch of young players playing off bench and learning, earning more. But if the team is keeping Ant, I almost want them to just give in and make him a point guard and get everyone else out of the way in the back up roles.

[Jedzz]

What do people thing of J. Grant ? Looks like a better option than Gordon.

I'm kind of stunned hearng Detroit might be making him available. Are they just selling high on his recent play? Or do they know something we don't? Can he not play with a team or something?

[Klomp]

Supposedly, Rosas was looking for a PF over the summer last year. We named eight players he talked about, either in free agency or in trade. He just struck out. Eight times.

I will mention a few of these were bigger guys (I recall Derrick Favors, for example), but many of the “PF’s” were small ball guys.

I don’t think is necessarily news, and I doubt it indicates the end of small ball. Sorry guys.

People thought the same heading into last trade deadline season about acquiring Russell....

Maybe I’m not saying this right.

I think Rosas has always been looking for a PF, just like he was always looking to acquire Russell. When he failed in free agency with both, I don’t think subsequent rumors meant there was a change in his way of thinking.

That makes sense.

I don't believe anything has changed either. Fans have only focused on two things: height and weight. I don't believe either has anything to do with what Minnesota is looking for. It's about movement skills. Gordon has them. He's 20 pounds heavier than any of the other PFs (some would call them SFs) on the roster but it doesn't matter. Doesn't change the interest level for the team because that hasn't been what they're looking for. If they have to go below 200 pounds to get the necessary movement skills, they'll do it (McDaniels). If they can get it in a 240-pound package, they're interested too.

[Wolf_Cry]

What do people thing of J. Grant ? Looks like a better option than Gordon.

I'm kind of stunned hearng Detroit might be making him available. Are they just selling high on his recent play? Or do they know something we don't? Can he not play with a team or something?

They've got to be selling high. Probably looking to get an insane amount back. It'll probably take Ant to get him now.

[Jedzz]

Well they always have Houston's PJ Tucker.
He's dropped off so hard now he's averaging 1 point every 8 minutes of play and rebounds might be close to as bad
Yet he starts and averages 30 mins/g still often playing as their big on the floor. (6-5)
What's wrong with some of these coaches and teams? They just can't get out of their own way.