Wolves Power Forward of the Future?

[jpatrick]

Listening to Dane Moore’s latest podcast now. He theorizes that based on Rosas’ post trade deadline quotes, he may be changing his tune on a small ball PF. Mobley?

I actually think a McDaniels and Gordon forward combo would have been nice. Length, defense, and versatility. Which you will need if you have non-defensive players at the other three positions.

[Neeva]

Get number one pick Detriot gets 3. Dangle Cunningham to them.

1 Cunningham/Beasley/Juancho for 3 Green/Grant/Doumbouya

[ChiefKeith91]

By trade IMO

DLO-Beasley-Ant is the worst combination you can have out there in terms of fit / strengths / weakness moving forward.
So, Rosas or hopefully another GM in the off-season is going to realize exactly that and one or maybe two of this guys have to go.

But at that point we are probably set for another rebuild beause of the mess we are right now.

Is all about the ping-pong balls in the lottery now.

If we get a top-3 pick grab the best point guard (Jalen or Cade) and trade Beasley and DLO.
Lose the pick - Trade DLO, Beasley and KAT (He probably asks for because of his bff) and here we go again for a rebuilding.

Or we can continue to be mediocre. Probably the path we are going to take as always.

Your plan is to go into a 12th rebuild? Rosas move over we found the next GM right here. Trade your 3 best players for mediocre players and picks who would take 5 years to even sniff the playoffs again. But let me ask you something if Edwards and the guys you draft in 2022 and 2023 don’t pan out by 2026 you’d want to trade them and rebuild again?


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[Merc_Porto]

By trade IMO

DLO-Beasley-Ant is the worst combination you can have out there in terms of fit / strengths / weakness moving forward.
So, Rosas or hopefully another GM in the off-season is going to realize exactly that and one or maybe two of this guys have to go.

But at that point we are probably set for another rebuild beause of the mess we are right now.

Is all about the ping-pong balls in the lottery now.

If we get a top-3 pick grab the best point guard (Jalen or Cade) and trade Beasley and DLO.
Lose the pick - Trade DLO, Beasley and KAT (He probably asks for because of his bff) and here we go again for a rebuilding.

Or we can continue to be mediocre. Probably the path we are going to take as always.

Your plan is to go into a 12th rebuild? Rosas move over we found the next GM right here. Trade your 3 best players for mediocre players and picks who would take 5 years to even sniff the playoffs again. But let me ask you something if Edwards and the guys you draft in 2022 and 2023 don’t pan out by 2026 you’d want to trade them and rebuild again?


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You have to understand that our trio of "best players" is one of the worst trios you can possible put together in the NBA, maybe in the history of the league. Let me give you some news, that's a laughling stock trio for every non Timberwolves fan.

And if you think you are going to win anything with this trio moving forward then you have your anwser on where we disagree.

Still amazes me that there are people that really believe that Dlo and Beasley are the second and third best player on this roster and that everything is fine. Wow

[UnFadeable21]

Vando’s hands have not improved since the trade deadline smh

[Note30]

If we get a top-3 pick grab the best point guard (Jalen or Cade) and trade Beasley and DLO.
Lose the pick - Trade DLO, Beasley and KAT (He probably asks for because of his bff) and here we go again for a rebuilding.

Your logical opinions streak comes to a quick and ugly end.

I think at this point we've seen enough of your rhetoric to know anytime someone says trade DLo you immediately question the logic and intelligence of the person.

We get it you like him.

Jedzz and DLo sitting in a tree. K-I-S-S

[Jedzz]

If we get a top-3 pick grab the best point guard (Jalen or Cade) and trade Beasley and DLO.
Lose the pick - Trade DLO, Beasley and KAT (He probably asks for because of his bff) and here we go again for a rebuilding.

Your logical opinions streak comes to a quick and ugly end.

I think at this point we've seen enough of your rhetoric to know anytime someone says trade DLo you immediately question the logic and intelligence of the person.

We get it you like him.

Jedzz and DLo sitting in a tree. K-I-S-S

I think this time it was more because he combined the trading of Beasley and Dlo if and only if we get the top 3 pick where he will draft another rookie PG. Who undoubtedly will work great with Edwards who believes he's a point guard and live happily ever after, 5 years from now if we are lucky. Yes that is what triggered the response you see.

I didn't even get to the part where he suggested losing the pick means trade Kat/Dlo/Beas to start the "rebuild". What, so...Trading Beasley and Dlo and drafting another PG isn't a rebuild? Is it just a soft rebuild then with a brand new rookie that is supposed to lead your team as a PG, plus Edwards who for damn sure thinks he's a point guard, plus old man Kat at that point? That's not a rebuild?

Some of you hate him so much you've been pleading for his removal during all this time he hasn't been playing. I know, you've been fearing his return. Rubio might be too. It all could be over at any minute. A couple of 40% 3pt players are coming back! Everyone run for your very lives.

[Slim Tubby]

Your logical opinions streak comes to a quick and ugly end.

I think at this point we've seen enough of your rhetoric to know anytime someone says trade DLo you immediately question the logic and intelligence of the person.

We get it you like him.

Jedzz and DLo sitting in a tree. K-I-S-S

I think this time it was more because he combined the trading of Beasley and Dlo if and only if we get the top 3 pick where he will draft another rookie PG. Who undoubtedly will work great with Edwards who believes he's a point guard and live happily ever after, 5 years from now if we are lucky. Yes that is what triggered the response you see.

I didn't even get to the part where he suggested losing the pick means trade Kat/Dlo/Beas to start the "rebuild". What, so...Trading Beasley and Dlo and drafting another PG isn't a rebuild? Is it just a soft rebuild then with a brand new rookie that is supposed to lead your team as a PG, plus Edwards who for damn sure thinks he's a point guard, plus old man Kat at that point? That's not a rebuild?

Some of you hate him so much you've been pleading for his removal during all this time he hasn't been playing. I know, you've been fearing his return. Rubio might be too. It all could be over at any minute. A couple of 40% 3pt players are coming back! Everyone run for your very lives.

Russell doesn’t even come remotely close to earning his contract when healthy and you know that. However, like you, I’m relatively excited to see what KAT, Beasley and Russell will look like together on the court.

Another area I agree with you is what the hell are we doing asking Ant to be a primary ball handler for? It’s like giving a fat kid an ice cream cone and telling him just to hold on to it. Meanwhile, we take the ball out of Ricky’s hands and send him to the corners where he’s dreadful from 3? Poor coaching and roster management will eat your lunch in this league every school day.


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[Jedzz]

I think at this point we've seen enough of your rhetoric to know anytime someone says trade DLo you immediately question the logic and intelligence of the person.

We get it you like him.

Jedzz and DLo sitting in a tree. K-I-S-S

I think this time it was more because he combined the trading of Beasley and Dlo if and only if we get the top 3 pick where he will draft another rookie PG. Who undoubtedly will work great with Edwards who believes he's a point guard and live happily ever after, 5 years from now if we are lucky. Yes that is what triggered the response you see.

I didn't even get to the part where he suggested losing the pick means trade Kat/Dlo/Beas to start the "rebuild". What, so...Trading Beasley and Dlo and drafting another PG isn't a rebuild? Is it just a soft rebuild then with a brand new rookie that is supposed to lead your team as a PG, plus Edwards who for damn sure thinks he's a point guard, plus old man Kat at that point? That's not a rebuild?

Some of you hate him so much you've been pleading for his removal during all this time he hasn't been playing. I know, you've been fearing his return. Rubio might be too. It all could be over at any minute. A couple of 40% 3pt players are coming back! Everyone run for your very lives.

Russell doesn’t even come remotely close to earning his contract when healthy and you know that. However, like you, I’m relatively excited to see what KAT, Beasley and Russell will look like together on the court.

Another area I agree with you is what the hell are we doing asking Ant to be a primary ball handler for? It’s like giving a fat kid an ice cream cone and telling him just to hold on to it. Meanwhile, we take the ball out of Ricky’s hands and send him to the corners where he’s dreadful from 3? Poor coaching and roster management will eat your lunch in this league every school day.


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well said.

On the earning a max thing. I'm not exactly there with you. Both Dlo and Kat can score a lot more some days. They both are more on the inconsistent side when it comes to showing this league their very best level. But they both have that level inside them and have produced it enough times to know it's not a fluke. It's not a fairytale by any stretch. These guys can put up 40-50 pt games. But they also know you can lose games just hunting those stat featuring games and limited your teammates. it's happened to both of them. Would it make you happier if Dlo would have scored 30-50 every game Towns was out that he played and they lost anyway and the rest of the team was ready to protest because they don't touch the ball anymore and can't stay in it? That's kind of what has been happeningg in most recent games without Dlo and a kid chasing stats. Everyone else gets cold. The only difference now has been Towns is also playing. There is a few ways to attack these games.

[Slim Tubby]

I think this time it was more because he combined the trading of Beasley and Dlo if and only if we get the top 3 pick where he will draft another rookie PG. Who undoubtedly will work great with Edwards who believes he's a point guard and live happily ever after, 5 years from now if we are lucky. Yes that is what triggered the response you see.

I didn't even get to the part where he suggested losing the pick means trade Kat/Dlo/Beas to start the "rebuild". What, so...Trading Beasley and Dlo and drafting another PG isn't a rebuild? Is it just a soft rebuild then with a brand new rookie that is supposed to lead your team as a PG, plus Edwards who for damn sure thinks he's a point guard, plus old man Kat at that point? That's not a rebuild?

Some of you hate him so much you've been pleading for his removal during all this time he hasn't been playing. I know, you've been fearing his return. Rubio might be too. It all could be over at any minute. A couple of 40% 3pt players are coming back! Everyone run for your very lives.

Russell doesn’t even come remotely close to earning his contract when healthy and you know that. However, like you, I’m relatively excited to see what KAT, Beasley and Russell will look like together on the court.

Another area I agree with you is what the hell are we doing asking Ant to be a primary ball handler for? It’s like giving a fat kid an ice cream cone and telling him just to hold on to it. Meanwhile, we take the ball out of Ricky’s hands and send him to the corners where he’s dreadful from 3? Poor coaching and roster management will eat your lunch in this league every school day.


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well said.

On the earning a max thing. I'm not exactly there with you. Both Dlo and Kat can score a lot more some days. They both are more on the inconsistent side when it comes to showing this league their very best level. But they both have that level inside them and have produced it enough times to know it's not a fluke. It's not a fairytale by any stretch. These guys can put up 40-50 pt games. But they also know you can lose games just hunting those stat featuring games and limited your teammates. it's happened to both of them. Would it make you happier if Dlo would have scored 30-50 every game Towns was out that he played and they lost anyway and the rest of the team was ready to protest because they don't touch the ball anymore and can't stay in it? That's kind of what has been happeningg in most recent games without Dlo and a kid chasing stats. Everyone else gets cold. The only difference now has been Towns is also playing. There is a few ways to attack these games.

Most of the hatred on this board for Russell is for the 2021 FRP that was attached in the trade to acquire him and not necessarily his skills on the court. That venom should be directed at Rosas and not the player acquired.

I applauded the Wiggins trade when it was made but it’s not looking so great right now. Revisionist history can be a real bit$h. Everyone on this board can find some solace in the fact that 2021 appears to be a 4-player Draft. If we keep the pick, we get a stud and I’d be happy adding any of the top 4 guys to our core. If we lose the pick, at least we have a clean slate with our draft picks moving forward and having our pick in 2022’s “double draft” would be a great consolation.


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[Jedzz]

Russell doesn’t even come remotely close to earning his contract when healthy and you know that. However, like you, I’m relatively excited to see what KAT, Beasley and Russell will look like together on the court.

Another area I agree with you is what the hell are we doing asking Ant to be a primary ball handler for? It’s like giving a fat kid an ice cream cone and telling him just to hold on to it. Meanwhile, we take the ball out of Ricky’s hands and send him to the corners where he’s dreadful from 3? Poor coaching and roster management will eat your lunch in this league every school day.


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well said.

On the earning a max thing. I'm not exactly there with you. Both Dlo and Kat can score a lot more some days. They both are more on the inconsistent side when it comes to showing this league their very best level. But they both have that level inside them and have produced it enough times to know it's not a fluke. It's not a fairytale by any stretch. These guys can put up 40-50 pt games. But they also know you can lose games just hunting those stat featuring games and limited your teammates. it's happened to both of them. Would it make you happier if Dlo would have scored 30-50 every game Towns was out that he played and they lost anyway and the rest of the team was ready to protest because they don't touch the ball anymore and can't stay in it? That's kind of what has been happeningg in most recent games without Dlo and a kid chasing stats. Everyone else gets cold. The only difference now has been Towns is also playing. There is a few ways to attack these games.

Most of the hatred on this board for Russell is for the 2021 FRP that was attached in the trade to acquire him and not necessarily his skills on the court. That venom should be directed at Rosas and not the player acquired.

I applauded the Wiggins trade when it was made but it’s not looking so great right now. Revisionist history can be a real bit$h. Everyone on this board can find some solace in the fact that 2021 appears to be a 4-player Draft. If we keep the pick, we get a stud and I’d be happy adding any of the top 4 guys to our core. If we lose the pick, at least we have a clean slate with our draft picks moving forward and having our pick in 2022’s “double draft” would be a great consolation.


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I guess you sort of avoided my response there on your possible stance he didn't play up to a Max worthiness but I'll speak to your new point and circle back. You switched instead to point out the other gripe people have about the draft pick lost. I agree all these things are on Rosas and people are off on this. I think it needs to stop being brought up with Dlo at all period, as It was attached to Wiggins strictly to move Wiggins and his contract. If one day Rosas gives up building a Kat/Dlo team and ends up having to attach a FRP to Dlo to trade him, then others can make that claim. I doubt they ever need to.

Saying it's not looking good with the Wiggins trade is simply tunnel visioning on the results without taking in the whole picture of events since. It's not excuses to point them out, it's reality. Had Edwards never entered the equation everything might be different. Had Rubio never entered the equation, things might be different. Had they not asked Culver, Edwards and even Beasley, all guards, to initiate and playmake themselves things undoubtedly would have been different. Had they just drafted a forward with size the balance may have been different. I can even make a stretch to claim the butterfly effect of these decisions could have led to completely different game action in the first few games that might have kept Towns from injurying his wrist. Everything could have resulted better and differently for this season. None of this had to happen as it did and none of these struggles and imbalance were seen back in the spring. Really the only thing people were complaining about in the spring after the deadline was the starting PF role and it was a topic all offseason up through FA, draft, preseason. Mistakes were made to unravel the benefits of that trade and hurt the team in multiple ways in my opinion.

Getting back to the claim that Dlo doesn't match his contract...
I have shown his numbers before. He is perfectly capable of pounding out max numbers and has with much higher frequency and efficiency than the say the few games per season that Wiggins was doing. He also keeps his efficiency high even when not pushing 30pt daisies, even higher than some other max players do. I don't like them giving maxes to players that aren't consistent carriers of teams into annual playoff entrances. Some of those guys are forces of nature and a combination of skills, consistancy and force of will to carry and deserve it. But that requirement would have me writing off any max Wolves have ever paid. I have to let that requirement go. One day when they get their hands on one of the real ones we can rejoice.

People needed to give Dlo the chance to finally play with another top tier capable player in Kat, along with another high level high efficiency scorer such as Beasley. That was always what was going to make it work or not here. Having those three potentials for high level scoring, high efficiency offensive players working together for once and overcoming a lack of good defense this team is forever known for. Maybe you agree with me on this, maybe not.

It needed to play out first. It would be the first time Kat would have others with both efficiency and game IQ both around him. Rose and Butler brought game IQ and competitiveness yet Wiggins was still too much a focus. The offensive efficiency and consistency was really going to be new. Sadly they haven't had a chance to string any games together yet. We saw the first two games, wins, even with Rosas/Ryan injecting things they shouldn't have.

We all saw the results after Kat went out. Ever since, I don't know how many games either Dlo or Beasley have played with Kat. Any? There is no judging that plan of the 3 with what has occured.

What's going to happen now?
Kat has now seemingly bought into attaching his hip to Edwards for now and playing a two man game with him. Together they've chased stats and got a couple wins and as many losses, while the rest of the team wallows in a lack of touches, involvement and minutes. A few of those wins were likely more due to Nowell getting high enough minutes to impact enough. Nowell has only reached high minutes near 28 or so in maybe two or three games now. Two of those were wins I believe and I think it's important to point that out. Meanwhile Edwards might have 30+ games over 30 minutes already but the wins weren't there yet. However count with me now, 1(Kat), 2(Ant), 3(Nowell) and you see the Three man offensive game that was going to possibly make this season doable. Had it been 1(Kat), 2(Dlo), 3(Beasely) performing on a much more consistant basis they could have won a lot more as they aren't kindergarten kids blipping out as much. A team with low defense but enough offense and experience to win games. The 1,2,3 of Kat/Ant/Nowell has only happened the few times they gave Nowell enough minutes. Even in this last game, a W, Nowell started with lower minutes and low involvement and only got minutes and involvement late to help seal the deal by removing Ant from the equation for a spell to allow it. I think the coaches have appeared to figure out a 3 man crew even if they aren't going to be a consistent one.

The Missing PF Starter
I'm still hoping the real 1,2,3 get that chance, although I just don't know if now they can back Edwards down enough as the 4th. Honestly, Nowell is a tier more efficient and useful as a fourth offensive on his good days, even a wiser 5th on his streaky bad 3pt shooting days. A decent 6th man guard that doesn't need to impact starters. I was hoping they could see the value and wisdom in trading Edwards for that PF target they wanted and that might be a 5th starter to rely on and more balance. Didn't happen. I'm not sure now how they go forth other than Nowell probably loses his minutes almost entirely now, Edwards probably is never backed off and it keeps one or both of Dlo/Beasley limited going forward. And at PF it's status quo. Maybe it won't matter and there will just be enough offense to go around. I just don't have much hope they get the best out of it combining these players. We'll see what Finch and crew can do though. Maybe these coaches have more to show yet. They've now shown hints of better vision for who these players are. That's a big step. Maybe McDaniels can leap up in year two and become a Woods level player who is a bit of a force even though he's a lanky rail. Or maybe that will take as much time as Woods took. The question is always whether you should wait for that or should you move these younger players to get ones more ready to consistently play now. My stance is if you want to win with Kat before he's gone Rosas should have made the moves for now for players that were in prime years that were available.

[Slim Tubby]

well said.

On the earning a max thing. I'm not exactly there with you. Both Dlo and Kat can score a lot more some days. They both are more on the inconsistent side when it comes to showing this league their very best level. But they both have that level inside them and have produced it enough times to know it's not a fluke. It's not a fairytale by any stretch. These guys can put up 40-50 pt games. But they also know you can lose games just hunting those stat featuring games and limited your teammates. it's happened to both of them. Would it make you happier if Dlo would have scored 30-50 every game Towns was out that he played and they lost anyway and the rest of the team was ready to protest because they don't touch the ball anymore and can't stay in it? That's kind of what has been happeningg in most recent games without Dlo and a kid chasing stats. Everyone else gets cold. The only difference now has been Towns is also playing. There is a few ways to attack these games.

Most of the hatred on this board for Russell is for the 2021 FRP that was attached in the trade to acquire him and not necessarily his skills on the court. That venom should be directed at Rosas and not the player acquired.

I applauded the Wiggins trade when it was made but it’s not looking so great right now. Revisionist history can be a real bit$h. Everyone on this board can find some solace in the fact that 2021 appears to be a 4-player Draft. If we keep the pick, we get a stud and I’d be happy adding any of the top 4 guys to our core. If we lose the pick, at least we have a clean slate with our draft picks moving forward and having our pick in 2022’s “double draft” would be a great consolation.


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I guess you just avoided my take there on your stance he didn't play up to a Max worthiness but I'll speak to your new point and circle back. You switched now instead to point out the other gripe people have about the draft pick lost. I can't tell if you agree with them or not. I can't agree fully with what you are saying, as that pick should never be mentioned with Dlo or tied to his name because it was attached to Wiggins strictly to move Wiggins and his contract. If one day Rosas gives up building a Kat/Dlo team and ends up having to attach a FRP to Dlo to trade him, then and only then can people have such a claim. I don't think they would ever have to do that unless this team and this moronic fanbase trashes his value further with more mistakes and blind barking.

Getting back to the claim that Dlo doesn't match his contract...
I have shown his numbers before. He is perfectly capable of pounding out max numbers and has with much higher frequency and efficiency than the single game or two per season that Wiggins has. He also keeps his efficiency high even when not pushing 30pt daisies. I don't like giving maxes to players that aren't consistent carriers of teams into annual playoff entrances. But that requirement would have me writing off any max Wolves have ever paid. I have to let that requiement go. We all do. This team has to be built as a team moreso than others might.

People needed to give Dlo the chance to finally play with another top tier capable player in Kat, along with another high level high efficiency scorer such as Beasley. That was always what was going to make it work or not here. Having those three potentials for high level scoring, high efficiency offensive players, working together for once and overcoming a lack of good defense this team is forever known for.

It needed to play out first. It would be the first time Kat would have others with efficiency and any game IQ both around him. Not even Butler and Rose brought that efficiency these two new players could both offer as this new trio. Rose and Butler brought game IQ and competitiveness. But the offensive efficiency and consistency was really going to be new. Sadly they haven't had a chance to string any games together yet. The team won the first two games together even with lunatic Rosas and Coaching moves that inserted Rubio and Edwards/Culver into the mix with extraordinary foolish goals and roles. What did Dlo do? He played along those first games and brought efficiency and gameIQ as he could to play around this idiocy and win with Towns/Beasley. He was willing and that was going to be the true test this season from Dlo and Kat. It looked at first as they would.

We all saw the results after Kat went out. Ever since, I don't know how many games either Dlo or Beasley have played with Kat. Any?

What's going to happen now?
Kat has now seemingly bought into attaching his hip to Edwards for now and playingg a two man game with him. Together they've chased stats and got a couple wins and plenty of losses, while the rest of the team wallows in a lack of touches and minutes. A few of those wins were likely more due to Nowell getting high enough minutes to impact enough. Nowell has only reached high minutes near 28 or so in maybe two or three games now. Two of those wins I believe and I think it's important to point that out. Meanwhile Edwards might have 30+ games over 30 minutes already but the wins weren't there. However count with me now, 1(Kat), 2(Ant), 3(Nowell) and you see the Three man offensive game that was going to possibly make this season doable had it been 1(Kat), 2(Dlo), 3(Beasely) performing on a much more consistant basis as they aren't kindergarten kids. A team with low defense but enough offense and experience to win games. The 1,2,3 of Kat/Ant/Nowell has only happened the few times they gave Nowell enough minutes. Even in this last game, a W, Nowell started with lower minutes and only got minutes late to help seal the deal. The prior game maybe was a loss doing so because in both his 3pt shot didn't warm up. The games where he is in the mix with more minutes and involvement throughout the game Nowell is much more apt to warm up that three and we've seen that result. But I think the coaches have noticed that he's a bright bulb to have around late in games and his 2pt finishing can be utilized even if nothing deep is warm. They've appeared to figure out a 3 man crew.


I'm still hoping the real 1,2,3 get that chance, although I just don't know if now they can back Edwards down enough as the 4th. Honestly, Nowell is a tier more efficient and useful as a fourth on his good days, even a wiser 4th on his streaky bad 3pt shooting days. I was hoping they could see the value and wisdom in trading Edwards for that PF target they wanted. Didn't happen. I'm not sure now how they go forth other than Nowell probably loses his minutes almost entirely, Edwards probably is never backed off and it keeps one or both of Dlo/Beasley limited going forward. Maybe it won't matter and there will just be enough offense to go around. I just don't have much hope they get the best out of it. We'll see what Finch and crew can do though. Maybe these coaches have more to show yet.

I’m not avoiding anything...I’m just not getting dragged down into your rabbit hole in regards to Russell. My eyes tell me all I need to know about him as a player. Poor defense, can’t create for himself, lacks athleticism, questionable character at times in his career, poor distributor, inability to stay healthy and can’t get to the rim.

No matter how many words you put in your posts or how many times you post it, you can’t change who Russell is as a player. He’s a $15M/year player at best.

Your hatred towards Ant is well documented and you have no problems identifying his flaws as a 19-year old Rookie with 30+ NBA games under his belt. Yet, you indenture your love for Russell by ignoring everything that is wrong with his game and contract. It’s this hypocrisy that destroys your credibility on these boards.

Playing an even hand for all players involved might gain you a larger audience but it still won’t change what Russell is today at 25 as a player and the untapped potential that Ant possesses at 19. Time will tell if Edwards will learn the discipline required to be an efficient player in the NBA.


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[NebWolvesFan]

Get number one pick Detriot gets 3. Dangle Cunningham to them.

1 Cunningham/Beasley/Juancho for 3 Green/Grant/Doumbouya

Cunningham is Ball without Ball's warts. There's no way I'm trading Cunningham.

I voted draft. I think Mobley will be a great PF in the NBA. If they don't get their pick I can see them trading for a PF, but nothing special.

[Wolves21]

Think ideally will trade for someone like Sabonis,Collins,Randle or Nance Jr.All of whom would fit and be a huge upgrade to the PF spot on the team,with Nance Jr being the cheapest to get in terms of money owned and assets to have to give up.

Think to get one of the first three listed Beasley would have to be trade but honestly would much rather trade D'Lo to gain our starting PF of the present and future.

D'Lo
Edwards
McDaniels
Sabonis/Collins/Randle/Nance Jr
Towns

That should be a good enough starting 5 to be a playoff team next season and our bench should still be solid with at least Reid & Nowell around for a scoring punch.

[Jedzz]

I’m not avoiding anything...I’m just not getting dragged down into your rabbit hole in regards to Russell. My eyes tell me all I need to know about him as a player. Poor defense, can’t create for himself, lacks athleticism, questionable character at times in his career, poor distributor, inability to stay healthy and can’t get to the rim.

I shouldn't have used the word avoiding because I see that triggered you. But I'm sorry, you didn't respond to it at all and that was the only point I made in the post you quoted. So what would you call it? It's good though because now you are really posting what you really believe.

You see, even though you've said you agree with me on some things you are staunchly not agreeing with me. For I believe these things are all tied together in my opinion. They are not little events happening separate from each other. They were building a team and it's all tied together until Rosas did what he did and now they are just a bunch of randomly placed pieces that don't fit all wearing the same jersey. That doesn't change the order of events, the possibilties that existed before those events, or why the results occurred.

I believe your opinons on Dlo are wrong.

Can't create for himself...Wrong.

Poor defense... I would and have suggested he's young and that could change with choice but didn't need to for winning. It would have been a bonus to see both him and Kat buy in and do so.

Poor distributer...Wrong.

Can't get to rim...Wrong. He at times chooses a different way more. But certainly can.

Inability to stay healthy...could be. Just like Kat these days. Soft emotional types. Could be. What these types of players need though is to have a reason to play through things. Kat has played through some and also shown he will shut it down if there isn't somethihng to play for. Dlo will shut it down without something to play for. The team has to do it's best to keep the team in the hunt for wins and erase all the things they constantly choose to do for picks.

You are very much just like others with preconcieved notions about this player and chose to never envision him on a better fit team leading this team with Kat like should have happned. Damn this Rosas and his last offseason. It looks like he's not the guy that can finish what he started. Maybe he's just the guy that got us out from under Wiggins.

[Baseline81]

I know Rosas was uncertain about McDaniels' position, but I hope he primarily plays SF.

[Neeva]

Get number one pick Detriot gets 3. Dangle Cunningham to them.

1 Cunningham/Beasley/Juancho for 3 Green/Grant/Doumbouya

Cunningham is Ball without Ball's warts. There's no way I'm trading Cunningham.

I voted draft. I think Mobley will be a great PF in the NBA. If they don't get their pick I can see them trading for a PF, but nothing special.

Green will be even better.

[Worm Guts]

Get number one pick Detriot gets 3. Dangle Cunningham to them.

1 Cunningham/Beasley/Juancho for 3 Green/Grant/Doumbouya

Cunningham is Ball without Ball's warts. There's no way I'm trading Cunningham.

I voted draft. I think Mobley will be a great PF in the NBA. If they don't get their pick I can see them trading for a PF, but nothing special.

I think Cunningham is a lot more scoring oriented than Ball and a better shooter, but he’s not the passer Ball is.

[Jedzz]

Your hatred towards Ant is well documented and you have no problems identifying his flaws as a 19-year old Rookie with 30+ NBA games under his belt. Yet, you indenture your love for Russell by ignoring everything that is wrong with his game and contract. It’s this hypocrisy that destroys your credibility on these boards.

Playing an even hand for all players involved might gain you a larger audience but it still won’t change what Russell is today at 25 as a player and the untapped potential that Ant possesses at 19. Time will tell if Edwards will learn the discipline required to be an efficient player in the NBA.


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It's not a hatred for Ant. It's a hatred for what a 19 year old Ant did to this team's chances this year, and a hatred for Rosas making that a reality. I can see his age, I can see how quickly he can rack up scores, and see a different future for him than how he's playing right now. That's all besides the point.

The point was whether Rosas was going to continue the plans built on all the moves prior or not. He broke the now. I hate that.

You hate Dlo and won't even give him a single season's chance to play with Kat/Beas to find out if you are wrong. But you are willing to dump the next 4 to 7 years on Edwards and you have to see him now. Can you ask yourself when and who sold you so strongly on Edwards that you have to see it now, even the rough and useless inconsistent stuff?

Here's my real issue with you and people like you. We could have both. Since Edwards is 19 and the team has him locked up for 4 to 6 to 8 years or whatever it is, this should allow everyone to wait on him and not forcefully add him to the roster in a way that breaks the current plans they had going. But this is the Timberwolves and we can't have nice things.

This is why the Wiggins comparisons were brought up. it's all gone down the same path. Butler wasn't good enough for the fans because Wiggins future was bigger, better! Says who? They were sold on that long before Butler coming here was a thing. They didn't even want to trade Wiggins for Butler at one point. SOLD. LaVine's future wasn't better than Wiggins' future in their minds because that is what they were sold in the predraft. Edwards was one of the most recent big sells and you've been sold, to the point you can't see others are more prepared to play now.

It didn't matter what Ant's future is right now. I hate 10% on short or long 2s, I hate 20% on dribble jumper 3s. I hate players coming into their prime years getting pushed aside for that crap! All things Endwards can fix in the future and not ruin my entertainment with right now. There was a better way.

[UnFadeable21]

Do you guys think Rosas will resign Vando next season? He
will be a restricted free agent.