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Post#21 » by Foye » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:15 pm

Neeva wrote:The Warriors should be thankful he got injured before more gms saw how bad Wiseman is.


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Post#22 » by Klomp » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:58 pm

Since the all-star break, Minnesota's 7-11 record would place Finch sixth in franchise history in coaching win percentage.
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Post#23 » by Foye » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:09 pm

Klomp wrote:Since the all-star break, Minnesota's 7-11 record would place Finch sixth in franchise history in coaching win percentage.


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Post#24 » by Dewey » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:56 pm

Gotta get a defensive presence somehow someway... players gotta want to number one, but we just have yet to see a coach who can hold them accountable. Maybe Flinch can make it happen moving forward - that would be a big step. Always fun to watch these college And pro teams that can ramp up defense ... we don’t.

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Post#25 » by _AIJ_ » Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:13 pm

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Klomp wrote:Since the all-star break, Minnesota's 7-11 record would place Finch sixth in franchise history in coaching win percentage.


Lets build a statue in front of Target Center!

Was that 3 or 4 years ago that you said that you were done with the team? Now youre back and angry with the team again. What made you come back? Rubio? Just asking
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Post#26 » by karch34 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:53 am

Klomp wrote:Since the all-star break, Minnesota's 7-11 record would place Finch sixth in franchise history in coaching win percentage.

Got me curious. Flip, Thibs, and Casey for sure. McHale and Adelman other guesses before I try to look it up.
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Post#27 » by LibertyPrime » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:02 am

I definitely am feeling better than in the first half of the season, more due to Finch than Rosas for sure, though. Our team is still horribly unbalanced and our three of our four top offensive guys are all best as SGs.

But Ant is beginning to look superhuman, D'Lo is playing better, and McDaniels is better than I could have hoped.
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Post#28 » by Krapinsky » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:07 am

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Klomp wrote:I think a lot of people are owing Rosas an apology

I’m not willing to go that far yet, but if the team keeps making me happy, I’ll gladly eat some crow.

I am still not a fan of the DLo for Wiggins and that nice 1st, and it was the one trade last deadline that has been a sure loser. However, If they felt Wiggins needed to go, he had some pretty negative trade value - but so did DLo. Perhaps Rosas thinks Russell can be Harden-light, if KAT is out there making that path easier?


I think the jury is still out. D-Lo already looking much better under Finch so far. Wiggins has not improved in a Warriors uniform and, if anything, his contract is probably worse now than it was when we traded him because he's shown that his shortcomings can't be blamed on the Wolves alone. I also think this year's NBA draft crop is already failing to live up to its hype-- especially after the top 2 or 3 players.
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Post#29 » by Wolveswin » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:12 am

Neeva wrote:
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Klomp wrote:I think a lot of people are owing Rosas an apology


For what?
Should we congratulate him for building a team deadlast in the standings?

People on here are already talking about who to pick in this upcoming draft...when there will be no pick thanks to the amazing Wiggins deal. :lol:

Some are us aren’t miserable glass half empty types I guess.

That doesn’t work. The glass is 60% empty.
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Post#30 » by Foye » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:14 am

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Klomp wrote:Since the all-star break, Minnesota's 7-11 record would place Finch sixth in franchise history in coaching win percentage.


Lets build a statue in front of Target Center!

Was that 3 or 4 years ago that you said that you were done with the team? Now youre back and angry with the team again. What made you come back? Rubio? Just asking


Seems like you have aged 3 to 4 years when I left 1 year ago. Thats what Wolves do to you lol.

I am not angry at all. Dont give a damn actually.
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Post#31 » by Klomp » Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:10 pm

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Klomp wrote:I think a lot of people are owing Rosas an apology

I’m not willing to go that far yet, but if the team keeps making me happy, I’ll gladly eat some crow.

I am still not a fan of the DLo for Wiggins and that nice 1st, and it was the one trade last deadline that has been a sure loser. However, If they felt Wiggins needed to go, he had some pretty negative trade value - but so did DLo. Perhaps Rosas thinks Russell can be Harden-light, if KAT is out there making that path easier?

Understandable. It feels like 90% of the skepticism comes down to this trade. People have their minds made up on him, and obviously some are still slow to change. But I think there's signs since his return from injury that this can work. We're finally seeing the tandem of Towns and Russell together and healthy. Even with a still-imbalanced roster, the duo has shown to form quite a difficult combination for defenses to stop. People are still concerned about the other end, but that will come with time and roster tweaks. Find your offensive core first, then put your complementary pieces around them. That is to me the right way to build your roster and always has been. Remember, we're still seeing a very basic offense from Finch and won't see everything until next season, but the results are encouraging.

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This team will make a big leap next year I believe. I don't think they need a major shakeup. Towns, Russell, Edwards is the trio to build from. From there, I think there are ways to keep building, but it won't come cheaply. I think Beasley, McDaniels and Reid are guys who the team wouldn't let go of easily. Imagine Beasley in the corner on the late-game sets instead of Okogie or Rubio. That's just adding another layer for defenses to worry about.
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Post#32 » by Klomp » Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:24 pm

Dual wrote:
Klomp wrote:I think a lot of people are owing Rosas an apology

For being the worst team in the NBA? :crazy:


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Klomp wrote:I think a lot of people are owing Rosas an apology


For what?
Should we congratulate him for building a team deadlast in the standings?

When you build an offense around your best players and those players aren't in the game, your team is going to look differently. Did the 2003-04 Timberwolves maintain the same efficiency when Cassell got hurt in the playoffs? Did the 1996-97 Spurs maintain the same efficiency when David Robinson got hurt? No.

Those teams were built around those players. Much in the same way that everything here is built around Towns, Russell and Edwards as a threesome. The offense can't run as smoothly with Russell out because Beasley doesn't have Russell's same skill set. That's why it looks better now under Finch than it did when Beasley was in and Russell was out. Because the offense is built around a big and two wing initiators.

Gersson Rosas didn't build the worst team in the NBA. He built a team that has been depleted by injuries. As players are getting healthier, you are seeing the improvement in the on-court product.
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Post#33 » by Foye » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:59 pm

Klomp wrote:
Dual wrote:
Klomp wrote:I think a lot of people are owing Rosas an apology

For being the worst team in the NBA? :crazy:


Foye wrote:
Klomp wrote:I think a lot of people are owing Rosas an apology


For what?
Should we congratulate him for building a team deadlast in the standings?

When you build an offense around your best players and those players aren't in the game, your team is going to look differently. Did the 2003-04 Timberwolves maintain the same efficiency when Cassell got hurt in the playoffs? Did the 1996-97 Spurs maintain the same efficiency when David Robinson got hurt? No.

Those teams were built around those players. Much in the same way that everything here is built around Towns, Russell and Edwards as a threesome. The offense can't run as smoothly with Russell out because Beasley doesn't have Russell's same skill set. That's why it looks better now under Finch than it did when Beasley was in and Russell was out. Because the offense is built around a big and two wing initiators.

Gersson Rosas didn't build the worst team in the NBA. He built a team that has been depleted by injuries. As players are getting healthier, you are seeing the improvement in the on-court product.


The bar was set so low since Rosas has taken over even for Timberwolves standards that there is nowhere to go but improve.

That doesn‘t make the management anymore competent.

Injuries are not more than a bad excuse. Every team in the league is dealing with those.
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Post#34 » by _AIJ_ » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:42 pm

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Post#35 » by Klomp » Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:17 pm

Foye wrote:Injuries are not more than a bad excuse. Every team in the league is dealing with those.

Has every team had their top three players share the floor a combined 100 minutes 2/3rds of the way through the season?
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Post#36 » by Foye » Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:55 am

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Foye wrote:Injuries are not more than a bad excuse. Every team in the league is dealing with those.

Has every team had their top three players share the floor a combined 100 minutes 2/3rds of the way through the season?


Has any other team made backup players acquired from other teams sentenced for domestic violence part of their top 3?

Pretty sure Golden state has double the wins while playing without Klay the whole time and Curry also sat a number of games.
So by your definition they have a combined 0 minutes of their top players share the floor until now and are still a respectable 26-28.

Injuries don't matter. Good teams are constructed in a way that they can still compete even with injuries.
Wolves meanwhile:
Blown out by 30 by Harden and Irving-less Nets as soon as Towns is out.
Letting a Pacer team without any of their top players score 140 on them.
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Post#37 » by Sugarless » Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:29 pm

Foye wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Foye wrote:Injuries are not more than a bad excuse. Every team in the league is dealing with those.

Has every team had their top three players share the floor a combined 100 minutes 2/3rds of the way through the season?


Has any other team made backup players acquired from other teams sentenced for domestic violence part of their top 3?

Pretty sure Golden state has double the wins while playing without Klay the whole time and Curry also sat a number of games.
So by your definition they have a combined 0 minutes of their top players share the floor until now and are still a respectable 26-28.

Injuries don't matter. Good teams are constructed in a way that they can still compete even with injuries.
Wolves meanwhile:
Blown out by 30 by Harden and Irving-less Nets as soon as Towns is out.
Letting a Pacer team without any of their top players score 140 on them.


Hiding behind excuses like injuries while seeing teams like GS or Memphis compete is pathetic. It's also par for the course with Klomp (and he's not alone on that).

I've said it before: I will never have a problem with anyone being OK just having a team in their city. Not everyone needs to be a winner, some people just enjoy having a team they can call their own, and that's great. Just don't come up with excuses year after year, because that's what makes you a loser, not the lack of wins.
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Post#38 » by Nick K » Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:17 am

The vibe is changing back?
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Post#39 » by Calinks » Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:20 am

LOL I think and hope that when Towns comes back, the vibe picks up again.
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Post#40 » by Mattya » Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:52 am

Good teams win despite injuries like the Warriors...just not last season.

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