Tom Thibeaudeau NBA Coach of the Year

[Dewey]

You can't knock Thibs results here. He really did make a drastic change for us in year 2. We were in a position to be a perennial playoff team and maybe make some good runs. Butlers games was a much-needed component we never have had here. He's the best SG in franchise history and he played he for such a short stint.

If Butler was happy to be here and wanted to stay our trajectory would be very different. We would have had years to build on the KAT/Jimmy core. More players would have been brought in to compliment them and we would probably be able to get another star by this point. Maybe we don't win a title but we could be in the same position as a Denver or Utah these last few years,

The one thing that was baffling was how Thibs could not generate a good defense here, I guess he just didn't have the personnel to do what he wanted but you would think at the minimum he would have been able to make that better. The one time he did have really good defense was when RoCo first came over. We were elite for like three weeks.

Defense is about the willing and able… most all players are able, but many are not willing. It’s no different in the workplace … some know how to work and some can but won’t

[Neeva]

I wonder if the Nuggets would trade that one and done 2018 playoff berth for Michael Porter Jr.. probably not ,Thibs was a giant failure here.

We all know that you are a big fan of losing. You want us to tank at every opportunity. Others don't believe in losing.

Being a middling one and done team is not the “winning” I want. Let the knicks enjoy the giant threadmill they are about to get on.

[KGdaBom]

I wonder if the Nuggets would trade that one and done 2018 playoff berth for Michael Porter Jr.. probably not ,Thibs was a giant failure here.

We all know that you are a big fan of losing. You want us to tank at every opportunity. Others don't believe in losing.

Being a middling one and done team is not the “winning” I want. Let the knicks enjoy the giant threadmill they are about to get on.

Seriously. The idea of losing to win is sickening.

[Calinks]

You can't knock Thibs results here. He really did make a drastic change for us in year 2. We were in a position to be a perennial playoff team and maybe make some good runs. Butlers games was a much-needed component we never have had here. He's the best SG in franchise history and he played he for such a short stint.

If Butler was happy to be here and wanted to stay our trajectory would be very different. We would have had years to build on the KAT/Jimmy core. More players would have been brought in to compliment them and we would probably be able to get another star by this point. Maybe we don't win a title but we could be in the same position as a Denver or Utah these last few years,

The one thing that was baffling was how Thibs could not generate a good defense here, I guess he just didn't have the personnel to do what he wanted but you would think at the minimum he would have been able to make that better. The one time he did have really good defense was when RoCo first came over. We were elite for like three weeks.

Defense is about the willing and able… most all players are able, but many are not willing. It’s no different in the workplace … some know how to work and some can but won’t

Eh I think that's part of it but not all of it. Look at it like this, just heard a stat, in our franhice history we have only had 6 statically good defensive teams. We have had teams with KG, an all-time great defender, that were bad defensive teams. I think there is more to it than just having 70 percent of the players in franchise history not be willing to play defense.

Effort is for sure a part of it but I think there is more to it than just, "these guys don't care."

[younggunsmn]

How soon we forget how happy we all were with our 47 win season and first round playoff exit.
Thibs deserves much praise for taking a terrible roster and winning an equivalent of 47 games in a normal 82 game season (41-31).
My biggest beef with him was the constant yelling and barking you could hear even on the TV broadcast. Havent paid enough attention to see if that changed in NY. There was never any question that he knew his x's and o's. He found a way to make his best offensive player the centerpiece and minimize any defensive deficiencies. They got him Noel and Bullock who are Thibs type of roleplayers. He didnt have any massive egos to handle either like he had here with Butler and KAT.

I don't think he would have gotten more than 30 wins out of this Timberwolves roster though with so many defensive liabilities.
The biggest reason it didn't work out for him here was that KAT never learned to play defense, and he is too good to take off the floor.

[winforlose]

How soon we forget how happy we all were with our 47 win season and first round playoff exit.
Thibs deserves much praise for taking a terrible roster and winning an equivalent of 47 games in a normal 82 game season (41-31).
My biggest beef with him was the constant yelling and barking you could hear even on the TV broadcast. Havent paid enough attention to see if that changed in NY. There was never any question that he knew his x's and o's. He found a way to make his best offensive player the centerpiece and minimize any defensive deficiencies. They got him Noel and Bullock who are Thibs type of roleplayers. He didnt have any massive egos to handle either like he had here with Butler and KAT.

I don't think he would have gotten more than 30 wins out of this Timberwolves roster though with so many defensive liabilities.
The biggest reason it didn't work out for him here was that KAT never learned to play defense, and he is too good to take off the floor.

I am sorry but what are you on about? Thibs played our starters way too many minutes and ended up getting Jimmy hurt which caused us to fall from the 3 seed to the 8 seed barely getting in by beating Denver in a tie breaker for the 8 seed. Thibs had us shooting the fewest 3s of any team in the league and barely defending the 3. He is so bad at locker room management that despite being the POBO who brought in Butler he couldn’t keep the peace between him and the other 2 stars for even one season. We succeeded because Teague had an up year and Jimmy played very well. That said, we gave up Lavine, Markkanen, and Dunn to get him. Thibs deserved to be fired here and did not know what he was doing. Maybe he got a clue since leaving, but he was a train wreck here.

[KGdaBom]

How soon we forget how happy we all were with our 47 win season and first round playoff exit.
Thibs deserves much praise for taking a terrible roster and winning an equivalent of 47 games in a normal 82 game season (41-31).
My biggest beef with him was the constant yelling and barking you could hear even on the TV broadcast. Havent paid enough attention to see if that changed in NY. There was never any question that he knew his x's and o's. He found a way to make his best offensive player the centerpiece and minimize any defensive deficiencies. They got him Noel and Bullock who are Thibs type of roleplayers. He didnt have any massive egos to handle either like he had here with Butler and KAT.

I don't think he would have gotten more than 30 wins out of this Timberwolves roster though with so many defensive liabilities.
The biggest reason it didn't work out for him here was that KAT never learned to play defense, and he is too good to take off the floor.

I am sorry but what are you on about? Thibs played our starters way too many minutes and ended up getting Jimmy hurt which caused us to fall from the 3 seed to the 8 seed barely getting in by beating Denver in a tie breaker for the 8 seed. Thibs had us shooting the fewest 3s of any team in the league and barely defending the 3. He is so bad at locker room management that despite being the POBO who brought in Butler he couldn’t keep the peace between him and the other 2 stars for even one season. We succeeded because Teague had an up year and Jimmy played very well. That said, we gave up Lavine, Markkanen, and Dunn to get him. Thibs deserved to be fired here and did not know what he was doing. Maybe he got a clue since leaving, but he was a train wreck here.

Nope. Thibs did a very good job here. He didn't get Butler hurt. What a load of .....
Butler went PSYCHO. That's on Butler not on Thibs. Butler doesn't go PSYCHO and things would be looking pretty good here.

[winforlose]

How soon we forget how happy we all were with our 47 win season and first round playoff exit.
Thibs deserves much praise for taking a terrible roster and winning an equivalent of 47 games in a normal 82 game season (41-31).
My biggest beef with him was the constant yelling and barking you could hear even on the TV broadcast. Havent paid enough attention to see if that changed in NY. There was never any question that he knew his x's and o's. He found a way to make his best offensive player the centerpiece and minimize any defensive deficiencies. They got him Noel and Bullock who are Thibs type of roleplayers. He didnt have any massive egos to handle either like he had here with Butler and KAT.

I don't think he would have gotten more than 30 wins out of this Timberwolves roster though with so many defensive liabilities.
The biggest reason it didn't work out for him here was that KAT never learned to play defense, and he is too good to take off the floor.

I am sorry but what are you on about? Thibs played our starters way too many minutes and ended up getting Jimmy hurt which caused us to fall from the 3 seed to the 8 seed barely getting in by beating Denver in a tie breaker for the 8 seed. Thibs had us shooting the fewest 3s of any team in the league and barely defending the 3. He is so bad at locker room management that despite being the POBO who brought in Butler he couldn’t keep the peace between him and the other 2 stars for even one season. We succeeded because Teague had an up year and Jimmy played very well. That said, we gave up Lavine, Markkanen, and Dunn to get him. Thibs deserved to be fired here and did not know what he was doing. Maybe he got a clue since leaving, but he was a train wreck here.

Nope. Thibs did a very good job here. He didn't get Butler hurt. What a load of .....
Butler went PSYCHO. That's on Butler not on Thibs. Butler doesn't go PSYCHO and things would be looking pretty good here.

You failed to address any of my points. Look at the minutes JB was playing. Read about the practices and how Thibs and Butler would go after the young players and make them hate Jimmy. Thibs failed in every way here, and Butler didn’t want to stay. Thibs brought in that PSYCHO after having already coached him in Chicago.

[KGdaBom]

I am sorry but what are you on about? Thibs played our starters way too many minutes and ended up getting Jimmy hurt which caused us to fall from the 3 seed to the 8 seed barely getting in by beating Denver in a tie breaker for the 8 seed. Thibs had us shooting the fewest 3s of any team in the league and barely defending the 3. He is so bad at locker room management that despite being the POBO who brought in Butler he couldn’t keep the peace between him and the other 2 stars for even one season. We succeeded because Teague had an up year and Jimmy played very well. That said, we gave up Lavine, Markkanen, and Dunn to get him. Thibs deserved to be fired here and did not know what he was doing. Maybe he got a clue since leaving, but he was a train wreck here.

Nope. Thibs did a very good job here. He didn't get Butler hurt. What a load of .....
Butler went PSYCHO. That's on Butler not on Thibs. Butler doesn't go PSYCHO and things would be looking pretty good here.

You failed to address any of my points. Look at the minutes JB was playing. Read about the practices and how Thibs and Butler would go after the young players and make them hate Jimmy. Thibs failed in every way here, and Butler didn’t want to stay. Thibs brought in that PSYCHO after having already coached him in Chicago.

I'm sorry, but I didn't see any points to address. Butler got hurt. Thibs didn't hurt him and neither did the minutes. Lots of players play lots of minutes without getting hurt. Butler had never shown any signs of being PSYCHO before.

[winforlose]

Nope. Thibs did a very good job here. He didn't get Butler hurt. What a load of .....
Butler went PSYCHO. That's on Butler not on Thibs. Butler doesn't go PSYCHO and things would be looking pretty good here.

You failed to address any of my points. Look at the minutes JB was playing. Read about the practices and how Thibs and Butler would go after the young players and make them hate Jimmy. Thibs failed in every way here, and Butler didn’t want to stay. Thibs brought in that PSYCHO after having already coached him in Chicago.

I'm sorry, but I didn't see any points to address. Butler got hurt. Thibs didn't hurt him and neither did the minutes. Lots of players play lots of minutes without getting hurt. Butler had never shown any signs of being PSYCHO before.

Butler had a bad rep with coaches before coming here. Thibs also know Jimmy and should have had an idea of how bad things would go. Thibs also as both Coach and POBO is in the unique position to try and navigate the issues between our big 3 and didn’t. As for Jimmy not being Thibs fault, his system wasn’t good enough to function without Jimmy and Jimmy was playing near league high in minutes that season. You also failed to address our lack of 3 point shooting or defense, and how his lack of player management caused Jimmy to break down and sabotage a good chunk of the 2018 season including yelling at players “You Cannot Win Without Me.” I mean without Thibs there would be no General Soreness. Dude was a joke. I don’t know what happened in New York, but I doubt Thibs had much to do with it.

[KGdaBom]

You failed to address any of my points. Look at the minutes JB was playing. Read about the practices and how Thibs and Butler would go after the young players and make them hate Jimmy. Thibs failed in every way here, and Butler didn’t want to stay. Thibs brought in that PSYCHO after having already coached him in Chicago.

I'm sorry, but I didn't see any points to address. Butler got hurt. Thibs didn't hurt him and neither did the minutes. Lots of players play lots of minutes without getting hurt. Butler had never shown any signs of being PSYCHO before.

Butler had a bad rep with coaches before coming here. Thibs also know Jimmy and should have had an idea of how bad things would go. Thibs also as both Coach and POBO is in the unique position to try and navigate the issues between our big 3 and didn’t. As for Jimmy not being Thibs fault, his system wasn’t good enough to function without Jimmy and Jimmy was playing near league high in minutes that season. You also failed to address our lack of 3 point shooting or defense, and how his lack of player management caused Jimmy to break down and sabotage a good chunk of the 2018 season including yelling at players “You Cannot Win Without Me.” I mean without Thibs there would be no General Soreness. Dude was a joke. I don’t know what happened in New York, but I doubt Thibs had much to do with it.

You have your right to be wrong. General Soreness is on Butler not Thibs. Butler getting injured has nothing to do with Thibs. Players get injured. Thibs had everything to do with our only playoff appearance in the last whatever years. He has everything to do with New York making huge improvement. One of the best coaches in the NBA.

[Worm Guts]

How soon we forget how happy we all were with our 47 win season and first round playoff exit.
Thibs deserves much praise for taking a terrible roster and winning an equivalent of 47 games in a normal 82 game season (41-31).
My biggest beef with him was the constant yelling and barking you could hear even on the TV broadcast. Havent paid enough attention to see if that changed in NY. There was never any question that he knew his x's and o's. He found a way to make his best offensive player the centerpiece and minimize any defensive deficiencies. They got him Noel and Bullock who are Thibs type of roleplayers. He didnt have any massive egos to handle either like he had here with Butler and KAT.

I don't think he would have gotten more than 30 wins out of this Timberwolves roster though with so many defensive liabilities.
The biggest reason it didn't work out for him here was that KAT never learned to play defense, and he is too good to take off the floor.

I am sorry but what are you on about? Thibs played our starters way too many minutes and ended up getting Jimmy hurt which caused us to fall from the 3 seed to the 8 seed barely getting in by beating Denver in a tie breaker for the 8 seed. Thibs had us shooting the fewest 3s of any team in the league and barely defending the 3. He is so bad at locker room management that despite being the POBO who brought in Butler he couldn’t keep the peace between him and the other 2 stars for even one season. We succeeded because Teague had an up year and Jimmy played very well. That said, we gave up Lavine, Markkanen, and Dunn to get him. Thibs deserved to be fired here and did not know what he was doing. Maybe he got a clue since leaving, but he was a train wreck here.

Nope. Thibs did a very good job here. He didn't get Butler hurt. What a load of .....
Butler went PSYCHO. That's on Butler not on Thibs. Butler doesn't go PSYCHO and things would be looking pretty good here.

Thibs traded for Butler, so yes, it is on him.

[KGdaBom]

I am sorry but what are you on about? Thibs played our starters way too many minutes and ended up getting Jimmy hurt which caused us to fall from the 3 seed to the 8 seed barely getting in by beating Denver in a tie breaker for the 8 seed. Thibs had us shooting the fewest 3s of any team in the league and barely defending the 3. He is so bad at locker room management that despite being the POBO who brought in Butler he couldn’t keep the peace between him and the other 2 stars for even one season. We succeeded because Teague had an up year and Jimmy played very well. That said, we gave up Lavine, Markkanen, and Dunn to get him. Thibs deserved to be fired here and did not know what he was doing. Maybe he got a clue since leaving, but he was a train wreck here.

Nope. Thibs did a very good job here. He didn't get Butler hurt. What a load of .....
Butler went PSYCHO. That's on Butler not on Thibs. Butler doesn't go PSYCHO and things would be looking pretty good here.

Thibs traded for Butler, so yes, it is on him.

I highly respected Butler at the time of the trade. He was a hard working lunch pail type of player. Of all the players I would have expected to not only be PSYCHO but to also be a dishonorable POS Butler was the last on my mind. It would have taken a fortune teller to know.

[BlacJacMac]

Nope. Thibs did a very good job here. He didn't get Butler hurt. What a load of .....
Butler went PSYCHO. That's on Butler not on Thibs. Butler doesn't go PSYCHO and things would be looking pretty good here.

Thibs traded for Butler, so yes, it is on him.

I highly respected Butler at the time of the trade. He was a hard working lunch pail type of player. Of all the players I would have expected to not only be PSYCHO but to also be a dishonorable POS Butler was the last on my mind. It would have taken a fortune teller to know.

Or maybe someone that had known Butler for 7 years and coached him for 4 of them...

Dude is in the process of blowing up his 4th locker room in 5 years. Being (willfully) traded to the Timberwolves didn't create that.

[KGdaBom]

Thibs traded for Butler, so yes, it is on him.

I highly respected Butler at the time of the trade. He was a hard working lunch pail type of player. Of all the players I would have expected to not only be PSYCHO but to also be a dishonorable POS Butler was the last on my mind. It would have taken a fortune teller to know.

Or maybe someone that had known Butler for 7 years and coached him for 4 of them...

Dude is in the process of blowing up his 4th locker room in 5 years. Being (willfully) traded to the Timberwolves didn't create that.

He'd never gone PSYCHO before. His reputation was a no nonsense hard working player.

[Worm Guts]

I highly respected Butler at the time of the trade. He was a hard working lunch pail type of player. Of all the players I would have expected to not only be PSYCHO but to also be a dishonorable POS Butler was the last on my mind. It would have taken a fortune teller to know.

Or maybe someone that had known Butler for 7 years and coached him for 4 of them...

Dude is in the process of blowing up his 4th locker room in 5 years. Being (willfully) traded to the Timberwolves didn't create that.

He'd never gone PSYCHO before. His reputation was a no nonsense hard working player.

There was a thing in Chicago. His behavior didn't come out of nowhere.

[BlacJacMac]

Or maybe someone that had known Butler for 7 years and coached him for 4 of them...

Dude is in the process of blowing up his 4th locker room in 5 years. Being (willfully) traded to the Timberwolves didn't create that.

He'd never gone PSYCHO before. His reputation was a no nonsense hard working player.

There was a thing in Chicago. His behavior didn't come out of nowhere.

Exactly. A big part of what made Jimmy the player that he is was that very "PSYCHO" attitude that everyone ignores when they want to add him to their team - and then cites when they want to get rid of him...

[KGdaBom]

He'd never gone PSYCHO before. His reputation was a no nonsense hard working player.

There was a thing in Chicago. His behavior didn't come out of nowhere.

Exactly. A big part of what made Jimmy the player that he is was that very "PSYCHO" attitude that everyone ignores when they want to add him to their team - and then cites when they want to get rid of him...

Nothing that would have indicated going PSYCHO.

[BlacJacMac]

There was a thing in Chicago. His behavior didn't come out of nowhere.

Exactly. A big part of what made Jimmy the player that he is was that very "PSYCHO" attitude that everyone ignores when they want to add him to their team - and then cites when they want to get rid of him...

Nothing that would have indicated going PSYCHO.

Refusing to see it doesn't mean it wasn't there.

[Calinks]

I don't think it's fair to blame Thibs on Jimmy by saying he traded for him. I think that was a good calculated risk. Where he messed up was how he handled (of didn't handle) Jimmy's growing frustration. Thibs seemed the type to let things "fix themselves" and that was the wrong approach with the Butler situation. There are even some rumors that Jimmy asked out a long time ago and Thibs ignored it. That is a big mistake on Thibs part if true.

I don't blame him for making the trade, I don't blame him for banking on Jimmy. I think those were great moves at the time with the information he had. I do blame him for how he handled Jimmy and the drama. I also blame him for the reported unease and people problems that he seemed to generate on the roster and front office.

I didn't like some of his X's and O's but I know he is a great coaching mind and I was never really worried about that.