Ben Simmons Thread (READ FIRST POST)

[SO_MONEY]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfj7cnac

A slight modification from a trade I had done on the other thread to include Simmons. It would take some planning (players who can't be traded with others etc)

Essentially,

MN out Beverly, Prince, Beasley, McDaniels, Bolmero
In Simmons, Wood, House

Hou out Gordon, Augustine, Wood, House
In Beverly, Prince, Maxey, McDaniels

Phili out Simmons, Maxey
In Gordon, Augustine, Beasley

Lineup

Russell, Ntilikina (FA)
Edwards, Nowell
Simmons, House
Wood, Vanderbilt (FA)
Towns, Reid

Ouch.

Not sure why Philly is giving up both Simmons and Maxey for that or how HOU is getting all that. Or why MN is trading for 2 PFs keeping our bigs and trading all our wings.

[Norseman79]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfj7cnac

A slight modification from a trade I had done on the other thread to include Simmons. It would take some planning (players who can't be traded with others etc)

Essentially,

MN out Beverly, Prince, Beasley, McDaniels, Bolmero
In Simmons, Wood, House

Hou out Gordon, Augustine, Wood, House
In Beverly, Prince, Maxey, McDaniels

Phili out Simmons, Maxey
In Gordon, Augustine, Beasley

Lineup

Russell, Ntilikina (FA)
Edwards, Nowell
Simmons, House
Wood, Vanderbilt (FA)
Towns, Reid

Ouch.

Not sure why Philly is giving up both Simmons and Maxey for that or how HOU is getting all that. Or why MN is trading for 2 PFs keeping our bigs and trading all our wings.

Haha...it is a bit of a mess without listing picks.

First Phili - win now mode. They need shooters and a PG. This completely checks the box for them and fits around Embiid timeline. Gordon and Beasley can light it up from outside and Augustine is a legit starting PG (No idea if Maxey is that).

Houston is getting all of that - which is essentially two great prospects and two expirings - because they are giving up some good players and pieces. Maxey and McDaniels (who I wouldn't trade unless getting a star back) paired with Tate and Green give them a fun young group.

Minnesota is getting two starting forwards. I listed Simmons as a 3, because to be honest he can play and guard 1-5, off setting him with Wood and his shooting softens the loss of Beas and McDaniels.

Ultimately it's just another take on potential ways to round out our roster and try to build a contending team

[SO_MONEY]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfj7cnac

A slight modification from a trade I had done on the other thread to include Simmons. It would take some planning (players who can't be traded with others etc)

Essentially,

MN out Beverly, Prince, Beasley, McDaniels, Bolmero
In Simmons, Wood, House

Hou out Gordon, Augustine, Wood, House
In Beverly, Prince, Maxey, McDaniels

Phili out Simmons, Maxey
In Gordon, Augustine, Beasley

Lineup

Russell, Ntilikina (FA)
Edwards, Nowell
Simmons, House
Wood, Vanderbilt (FA)
Towns, Reid

Ouch.

Not sure why Philly is giving up both Simmons and Maxey for that or how HOU is getting all that. Or why MN is trading for 2 PFs keeping our bigs and trading all our wings.

Haha...it is a bit of a mess without listing picks.

First Phili - win now mode. They need shooters and a PG. This completely checks the box for them and fits around Embiid timeline. Gordon and Beasley can light it up from outside and Augustine is a legit starting PG (No idea if Maxey is that).

Houston is getting all of that - which is essentially two great prospects and two expirings - because they are giving up some good players and pieces. Maxey and McDaniels (who I wouldn't trade unless getting a star back) paired with Tate and Green give them a fun young group.

Minnesota is getting two starting forwards. I listed Simmons as a 3, because to be honest he can play and guard 1-5, off setting him with Wood and his shooting softens the loss of Beas and McDaniels.

Ultimately it's just another take on potential ways to round out our roster and try to build a contending team

I don't see it working for Philadelphia or Minnesota. Houston makes out like bandits.

[jpatrick]

As much as I want Simmons here, at this point, I just want it over.

Speaking of Bolmaro, has he signed his contract yet? All reports seem to be he’s coming over. If he hasn’t, is that a sign he may be placed in a trade? I forget whether it’s 30 or 60 days after signing they can be traded. I know we went through that waiting period for Wiggins.

[SO_MONEY]

As much as I want Simmons here, at this point, I just want it over.

Speaking of Bolmaro, has he signed his contract yet? All reports seem to be he’s coming over. If he hasn’t, is that a sign he may be placed in a trade? I forget whether it’s 30 or 60 days after signing they can be traded. I know we went through that waiting period for Wiggins.

I think they are just holding off because his rights don't count for salary in trade. Keeping options open. Has to be the case or it would be done one would think.

[Tomjas]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfj7cnac

A slight modification from a trade I had done on the other thread to include Simmons. It would take some planning (players who can't be traded with others etc)

Essentially,

MN out Beverly, Prince, Beasley, McDaniels, Bolmero
In Simmons, Wood, House

Hou out Gordon, Augustine, Wood, House
In Beverly, Prince, Maxey, McDaniels

Phili out Simmons, Maxey
In Gordon, Augustine, Beasley

Lineup

Russell, Ntilikina (FA)
Edwards, Nowell
Simmons, House
Wood, Vanderbilt (FA)
Towns, Reid

Ouch.

Not sure why Philly is giving up both Simmons and Maxey for that or how HOU is getting all that. Or why MN is trading for 2 PFs keeping our bigs and trading all our wings.

Haha...it is a bit of a mess without listing picks.

First Phili - win now mode. They need shooters and a PG. This completely checks the box for them and fits around Embiid timeline. Gordon and Beasley can light it up from outside and Augustine is a legit starting PG (No idea if Maxey is that).

Houston is getting all of that - which is essentially two great prospects and two expirings - because they are giving up some good players and pieces. Maxey and McDaniels (who I wouldn't trade unless getting a star back) paired with Tate and Green give them a fun young group.

Minnesota is getting two starting forwards. I listed Simmons as a 3, because to be honest he can play and guard 1-5, off setting him with Wood and his shooting softens the loss of Beas and McDaniels.

Ultimately it's just another take on potential ways to round out our roster and try to build a contending team

Imagine if these nobodies turn up at the Sixers to meet Joel as Ben’s replacements

lol

End of bench players

Can I just point out out a few things for you

Embiid is 7’ tall, all nba and top 3 mvp

Simmons is 6’10”, 3 * all star and the best defender in the nba

Sixers aren’t replacing either one for a shrimp who can’t play

[moonpie]

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[Norseman79]

Ouch.

Not sure why Philly is giving up both Simmons and Maxey for that or how HOU is getting all that. Or why MN is trading for 2 PFs keeping our bigs and trading all our wings.

Haha...it is a bit of a mess without listing picks.

First Phili - win now mode. They need shooters and a PG. This completely checks the box for them and fits around Embiid timeline. Gordon and Beasley can light it up from outside and Augustine is a legit starting PG (No idea if Maxey is that).

Houston is getting all of that - which is essentially two great prospects and two expirings - because they are giving up some good players and pieces. Maxey and McDaniels (who I wouldn't trade unless getting a star back) paired with Tate and Green give them a fun young group.

Minnesota is getting two starting forwards. I listed Simmons as a 3, because to be honest he can play and guard 1-5, off setting him with Wood and his shooting softens the loss of Beas and McDaniels.

Ultimately it's just another take on potential ways to round out our roster and try to build a contending team

Imagine if these nobodies turn up at the Sixers to meet Joel as Ben’s replacements

lol

End of bench players

You actually consider Eric Gordon, Beasley and Augustine as nobodies? That would be an lol. And like I said, there would be pick compensation as well.

[SO_MONEY]

Haha...it is a bit of a mess without listing picks.

First Phili - win now mode. They need shooters and a PG. This completely checks the box for them and fits around Embiid timeline. Gordon and Beasley can light it up from outside and Augustine is a legit starting PG (No idea if Maxey is that).

Houston is getting all of that - which is essentially two great prospects and two expirings - because they are giving up some good players and pieces. Maxey and McDaniels (who I wouldn't trade unless getting a star back) paired with Tate and Green give them a fun young group.

Minnesota is getting two starting forwards. I listed Simmons as a 3, because to be honest he can play and guard 1-5, off setting him with Wood and his shooting softens the loss of Beas and McDaniels.

Ultimately it's just another take on potential ways to round out our roster and try to build a contending team

Imagine if these nobodies turn up at the Sixers to meet Joel as Ben’s replacements

lol

End of bench players

You actually consider Eric Gordon, Beasley and Augustine as nobodies? That would be an lol. And like I said, there would be pick compensation as well.

Beasley is probably the only truly positive value in that group. PHI wouldn't trade Simmons for it and they wouldn't add Maxey on top of that. I see this as WAY off.

[Tomjas]

Haha...it is a bit of a mess without listing picks.

First Phili - win now mode. They need shooters and a PG. This completely checks the box for them and fits around Embiid timeline. Gordon and Beasley can light it up from outside and Augustine is a legit starting PG (No idea if Maxey is that).

Houston is getting all of that - which is essentially two great prospects and two expirings - because they are giving up some good players and pieces. Maxey and McDaniels (who I wouldn't trade unless getting a star back) paired with Tate and Green give them a fun young group.

Minnesota is getting two starting forwards. I listed Simmons as a 3, because to be honest he can play and guard 1-5, off setting him with Wood and his shooting softens the loss of Beas and McDaniels.

Ultimately it's just another take on potential ways to round out our roster and try to build a contending team

Imagine if these nobodies turn up at the Sixers to meet Joel as Ben’s replacements

lol

End of bench players

You actually consider Eric Gordon, Beasley and Augustine as nobodies? That would be an lol. And like I said, there would be pick compensation as well.

Seriously who?

Are you fkn kidding?

They are throw aways

Only value is picks

[jpatrick]

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Someone is throwing all the leaks regarding us and Simmons out there. Local guys plus both Woj and Shams.

The dream is to give up Prince, Beasley, Layman, Bolmaro, and a bunch of picks/swaps for Simmons. Maybe include a Vando in a S/T if we’re not going to pay him.

After that, I’d love to sign Milsap. We still have the MLE. I have no idea how close we’d be to the lux line though. Milsap/Bev would give us two defensive vets off the bench that could provide leadership for our young guys. All of this is a long shot, I know.

[winforlose]

Read on Twitter

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Someone is throwing all the leaks regarding us and Simmons out there. Local guys plus both Woj and Shams.

The dream is to give up Prince, Beasley, Layman, Bolmaro, and a bunch of picks/swaps for Simmons. Maybe include a Vando in a S/T if we’re not going to pay him.

After that, I’d love to sign Milsap. We still have the MLE. I have no idea how close we’d be to the lux line though. Milsap/Bev would give us two defensive vets off the bench that could provide leadership for our young guys. All of this is a long shot, I know.

How is this the dream. The 76ers have the same roster limit we do. They don’t have room for 4-5 players and we hollow out or bench. This is also failing to consider that we are mandated to have at least 13 players with a 14th needing to eventually be signed. That means you my out and signing vet minimums in the tax.

Your starting lineup of Simmons, Dlo, Ant, MCD, KAT is solid, but your bench rotation is Beverly, Nowell, Okogie, Millsap, Reid. Assume you sign V8 and JMAC on minimums now you still need two more guys and what happens when Simmons misses 10 games (probably 20 given his track record.)

I have to ask, is the consensus that Dlo is just useless and must be kept from shooting at all costs? Because from where I stand Ant and KAT are both ball dominant scorers and Dlo is already going to struggle to get his shots. Now you add Simmons who is also ball dominant and we lose almost all of Dlo’s value.

[KGdaBom]

Imagine if these nobodies turn up at the Sixers to meet Joel as Ben’s replacements

lol

End of bench players

You actually consider Eric Gordon, Beasley and Augustine as nobodies? That would be an lol. And like I said, there would be pick compensation as well.

Seriously who?

Are you fkn kidding?

They are throw aways

Only value is picks

If you think Beasley is a throwaway you don't know Beasley. One of the deadliest shooters in the NBA.

[shrink]

If you think Beasley is a throwaway you don't know Beasley. One of the deadliest shooters in the NBA.

KG is right. Beasley has put up 20 ppg on 40% 3P shooting the last two years for MIN. Others can demonstrate the stats better than me, but his 3P shooting numbers are up there with the top 5-7 guys in range and difficulty, only he’s the guy who isn’t getting max money. Now, it’s true his defense is bad, and teams may worry about last year’s incident, but a volume, 40% 3P shooter on a cheaper deal would be a nice fit in PHI. I can understand PHI not doing the deal, but calling Beasley a “nobody” is incorrect.

[jpatrick]

If you think Beasley is a throwaway you don't know Beasley. One of the deadliest shooters in the NBA.

KG is right. Beasley has put up 20 ppg on 40% 3P shooting the last two years for MIN. Others can demonstrate the stats better than me, but his 3P shooting numbers are up there with the top 5-7 guys in range and difficulty, only he’s the guy who isn’t getting max money. Now, it’s true his defense is bad, and teams may worry about last year’s incident, but a volume, 40% 3P shooter on a cheaper deal would be a nice fit in PHI. I can understand PHI not doing the deal, but calling Beasley a “nobody” is incorrect.

Beasley isn’t just an elite shooter. He’s also an elite “movement” shooter. He can come off screens, pin downs, etc., much like Reddick used to for Philly. If I remember correctly, Embiid loved playing with JJ.

Beasley is also an excellent athlete that tries hard on D. I think his slight build just makes him not so great on that end (but significantly better than Seth Curry on that end). He is also someone that won’t create off the dribble. But he will get out in transition and finish with that athleticism.

But at his contract, as long as his legal troubles are behind him, he’s a very valuable NBA player.

[shrink]

Simmons is 6’10”, 3 * all star and the best defender in the nba

I think this is a horribly one-sided take, that doesn’t look at the whole picture. Simmons is 6’ 10” (I guess that’s a plus - shorter than Naz Reid), a 3 time all star (all though some local and national experts would say he’s undeserving), and he is not the best defender in the NBA (Gobert, Giannis, and many others). You are also neglecting

1. Simmons isn’t a threat from the three point range
2. Simmons crumbled under pressure - mentally weak?
3. Simmons has failed to show he can improve his game.
4. Simmons may be targeted with “Hack-a-Ben”
5. Simmons is very hard to build around
6. Simmons is paid max money
7. Simmons doesn’t want to be on PHI

I agree with you that PGI would turn down this deal, but I don’t think you are placing weight on both the positives (I’d include passing as well) and negatives in determining his trade value. That’s a shame, because I am sure that real GM’s are considering all these things.

[SO_MONEY]

If you think Beasley is a throwaway you don't know Beasley. One of the deadliest shooters in the NBA.

KG is right. Beasley has put up 20 ppg on 40% 3P shooting the last two years for MIN. Others can demonstrate the stats better than me, but his 3P shooting numbers are up there with the top 5-7 guys in range and difficulty, only he’s the guy who isn’t getting max money. Now, it’s true his defense is bad, and teams may worry about last year’s incident, but a volume, 40% 3P shooter on a cheaper deal would be a nice fit in PHI. I can understand PHI not doing the deal, but calling Beasley a “nobody” is incorrect.

I suspect he was talking about DJ and Gordon and that they are not exactly positive value, sure Beasley is, but how much does he offset the other two. If Beasley and negative or neutral contracts can get Simmons and Maxey, I would gladly send Beverly, Prince and Beasley...

[shrink]

If you think Beasley is a throwaway you don't know Beasley. One of the deadliest shooters in the NBA.

KG is right. Beasley has put up 20 ppg on 40% 3P shooting the last two years for MIN. Others can demonstrate the stats better than me, but his 3P shooting numbers are up there with the top 5-7 guys in range and difficulty, only he’s the guy who isn’t getting max money. Now, it’s true his defense is bad, and teams may worry about last year’s incident, but a volume, 40% 3P shooter on a cheaper deal would be a nice fit in PHI. I can understand PHI not doing the deal, but calling Beasley a “nobody” is incorrect.

I suspect he was talking about DJ and Gordon and that they are not exactly positive value, sure Beasley is, but how much does he offset the other two.

They are throw aways

Only value is picks

[SO_MONEY]

KG is right. Beasley has put up 20 ppg on 40% 3P shooting the last two years for MIN. Others can demonstrate the stats better than me, but his 3P shooting numbers are up there with the top 5-7 guys in range and difficulty, only he’s the guy who isn’t getting max money. Now, it’s true his defense is bad, and teams may worry about last year’s incident, but a volume, 40% 3P shooter on a cheaper deal would be a nice fit in PHI. I can understand PHI not doing the deal, but calling Beasley a “nobody” is incorrect.

I suspect he was talking about DJ and Gordon and that they are not exactly positive value, sure Beasley is, but how much does he offset the other two.

They are throw aways

Only value is picks

Yikes.

[jpatrick]

I firmly believe that if, big if bc it’s a long shot, a trade occurs between MN/PHI, Beasley and a point guard from a third team will go to Philly along with a bunch of draft assets.

The problem is that I don’t think there is any PGs out there available for a pick(s) and filler (Prince) that Philly would want. Brogdon and Murray would be nice, don’t see why either team would trade them for picks. Sexton isn’t really a PG and I don’t see the fit with Beasley or Philly’s other guards. Not sure FVV is good enough.