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Re: The Milk Shake Milton thread 

Post#21 » by theGreatRC » Sun Jul 2, 2023 3:24 am

I'd like to think having an unclear role played a factor in his lack of consistency OR him not playing well could also have contributed to that, i guess it's a chicken or the egg scenario from an outside perspective.

If any Sixers fans wanna chime in to why he couldn't get consistent playing time, we'd love to know.

When I called him the Naz Reid of the Sixers, I saw a guy who clearly deserved playing time even through his mistakes, because he was a positive contributor to the team even if it was hard to find PT because of guys playing the same position as him.

Shake - Harden,Maxey,Melton
Naz - KAT, Rudy, SloMo

Injuries to those players thrust both of them into a bigger role & they exceeded their expectation, the only difference is Finchy found a way to keep Naz on the floor eventually and Shake ended up slowly out of consistent minutes.
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Re: The Milk Shake Milton thread 

Post#22 » by Mamba4Goat » Sun Jul 2, 2023 5:51 am

Klomp wrote:I think the biggest thing I'll be keeping an eye on is his propensity to sometimes dribble the air out of the basketball. Luckily he's good enough to usually make something happen but that's a habit I'd like to see broken.



Fortunately for us the Timberwolves didn’t have an issue with dribbling the air out of the ball and forcing something at the last second last season too!
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Re: The Milk Shake Milton thread 

Post#23 » by KGdaBom » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:05 am

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Klomp wrote:I think the biggest thing I'll be keeping an eye on is his propensity to sometimes dribble the air out of the basketball. Luckily he's good enough to usually make something happen but that's a habit I'd like to see broken.



Fortunately for us the Timberwolves didn’t have an issue with dribbling the air out of the ball and forcing something at the last second last season too!

I noticed that he likes to use his off hand to fend off defenders. He didn't get called for fouls doing that as a 76er, but he will playing for the Wolves. :banghead:
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Re: The Milk Shake Milton thread 

Post#24 » by Klomp » Sun Jul 2, 2023 11:15 am

KGdaBom wrote:I noticed that he likes to use his off hand to fend off defenders. He didn't get called for fouls doing that as a 76er, but he will playing for the Wolves. :banghead:

:lol: I wish this wasn't so true, good eye.
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Re: The Milk Shake Milton thread 

Post#25 » by thinktank » Sun Jul 2, 2023 12:40 pm

Let’s hope that he doesn’t force up shots like he sometimes did for the Sixers.
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Post#26 » by Klomp » Sun Jul 2, 2023 12:47 pm

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Re: The Milk Shake Milton thread 

Post#27 » by Klomp » Mon Jul 3, 2023 1:24 am

Went back to look at Hollinger's free agent rankings/valuations. Milton came in 18th among SGs:

18. Shake Milton, 26, Philadelphia: $5,095,144
The Sixers don’t have a lot of need for Milton’s skill set — at least as long as Harden is around — but Milton is a pretty good pick-and-roll player who can get going as a scorer off the bench. He also has the size to play both guard positions, offering some added value. Coming off a minimum deal for a team that is in the tax, Milton, I’d expect, will find his next home to be as a fourth guard for the room or tax exception.


https://theathletic.com/4601685/2023/06/13/nba-free-agent-shooting-guards-in-2023-james-harden-austin-reaves/
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Re: The Milk Shake Milton thread 

Post#28 » by younggunsmn » Mon Jul 3, 2023 2:49 am

Watching tape, first thing that jumps out is that he has long arms, which make the shot and offense look a bit awkward, but he makes good use of on defense and creating space offensively.

I see some habits I know I will get annoyed with like overdribbling and taking a lot of contested midrange jumpers.
But should be a huge defensive upgrade over Nowell/Jmac almost by default.

Should be good at rebounding his position and pushing the pace on the 2nd unit.
If he can maintain his 3 point shooting and develop some chemistry with NAZ, should make for a good core to the bench unit.

It still gets annoying that we have to pay 5 million for players that contenders and coast teams get for the vet minimum.
Warriors just got Corey Joseph and likely Saric for the vet min.
That won't change until we win something, although it's curious to not see the Nuggets signing their share of ring chasers this summer.
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Post#29 » by Klomp » Mon Jul 3, 2023 3:22 am

younggunsmn wrote:I see some habits I know I will get annoyed with like overdribbling and taking a lot of contested midrange jumpers.

I can't believe I'm about to say this, but some of those habits make me fearful of him becoming a taller JJ Barea.... :x
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Re: The Milk Shake Milton thread 

Post#30 » by Isegrim » Fri Jul 7, 2023 7:09 am

Klomp wrote:Went back to look at Hollinger's free agent rankings/valuations. Milton came in 18th among SGs:

18. Shake Milton, 26, Philadelphia: $5,095,144
The Sixers don’t have a lot of need for Milton’s skill set — at least as long as Harden is around — but Milton is a pretty good pick-and-roll player who can get going as a scorer off the bench. He also has the size to play both guard positions, offering some added value. Coming off a minimum deal for a team that is in the tax, Milton, I’d expect, will find his next home to be as a fourth guard for the room or tax exception.


https://theathletic.com/4601685/2023/06/13/nba-free-agent-shooting-guards-in-2023-james-harden-austin-reaves/


Another find from B/R givin us flowers:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10081768-the-5-best-value-signings-of-2023-nba-free-agency-so-far

"The 5 Best Value Signings of 2023 NBA Free Agency So Far

Shake Milton, Minnesota Timberwolves

Contract: 2 years, $10 million (2024-25 team option)

Shake Milton ranked among the best backup guards on the open market, and the Minnesota Timberwolves bagged him for less than mini-MLE money while also maintaining full control over what happens to him in Year 2.

Seventh- or eighth-man reserves do not typically require massive paydays. And his utility will be capped so long as maestros Anthony Edwards, Mike Conley and Kyle Anderson are all healthy.

However, Milton's role may also end up greater than expected, in large part because he can play beside any other guard or primary playmaker with whom Minnesota cares to pair him.

At 6'5", the 26-year-old's size lets him defend up while arming him with leverage when attacking the basket at the other end. He has shot at least 62 percent around the hoop in four of his first five seasons.

There is also a variable cadence to how he plays. He can keep defenses on tilt with dribble hesitations and changes in direction but operate more suddenly in catch-and-go situations.

The 40 percent clip Milton just posted on zero-dribble threes, meanwhile, is yet further evidence he can contribute to a more crowded offensive ecosystem."

Other Deals are Jevon Carter, Jalen McDaniels, Gabe Vincent and Tre Jones.
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Re: The Milk Shake Milton thread 

Post#31 » by Klomp » Fri Jul 7, 2023 5:53 pm

Isegrim wrote:However, Milton's role may also end up greater than expected, in large part because he can play beside any other guard or primary playmaker with whom Minnesota cares to pair him.

This is perhaps the biggest plus of going from Nowell to Milton, and just a theme of most of our guards/wings in general.
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Re: The Milk Shake Milton thread 

Post#32 » by BlacJacMac » Fri Jul 7, 2023 6:05 pm

Klomp wrote:
Isegrim wrote:However, Milton's role may also end up greater than expected, in large part because he can play beside any other guard or primary playmaker with whom Minnesota cares to pair him.

This is perhaps the biggest plus of going from Nowell to Milton, and just a theme of most of our guards/wings in general.


Milton is the "fully realized potential" version of Nowell.
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Post#33 » by wolves_89 » Fri Jul 7, 2023 6:23 pm

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Isegrim wrote:However, Milton's role may also end up greater than expected, in large part because he can play beside any other guard or primary playmaker with whom Minnesota cares to pair him.

This is perhaps the biggest plus of going from Nowell to Milton, and just a theme of most of our guards/wings in general.


Milton is the "fully realized potential" version of Nowell.


I'd rate Milton as a half-step up from a "fully realized" Nowell. Milton can fill the same role on offense, while being a better defender who provides more switch-ability. I think Milton can be an average defender while Nowell seems likely to remain awful on defense.
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Post#34 » by Klomp » Fri Jul 7, 2023 6:24 pm

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Re: The Milk Shake Milton thread 

Post#35 » by BlacJacMac » Fri Jul 7, 2023 7:06 pm

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Klomp wrote:This is perhaps the biggest plus of going from Nowell to Milton, and just a theme of most of our guards/wings in general.


Milton is the "fully realized potential" version of Nowell.


I'd rate Milton as a half-step up from a "fully realized" Nowell. Milton can fill the same role on offense, while being a better defender who provides more switch-ability. I think Milton can be an average defender while Nowell seems likely to remain awful on defense.


That's kind of my point. There is nothing physically from stopping Nowell from being a neutral-ish defender like Milton. He just clearly doesn't care to put in the effort on that end.
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Re: The Milk Shake Milton thread 

Post#36 » by Klomp » Sun Jul 9, 2023 1:35 am

Couple of comments....

Shot profile: Dane and Kyle referenced his 3-point rate down around .300, which puts him between the range of Kyle (.212) and Jaylen (.371) near the bottom of the Wolves regular rotation guys from 2022-23. However, earlier in his career (when he was at his best), Milton's 3-point rate was .487 in 2019-20 (43% 3FG). Just to give you an idea of what his higher end can be.
Lineups: What is another reason that 2019-20 was important? That was the Horford/Embiid pairing. Milton has experience playing well with "clogged" frontcourts.
Hard work: I personally love that this is yet another guy on the roster who was a 2nd round pick (54th overall) and had to work hard for everything he's accomplished in the league.
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Post#38 » by KGdaBom » Tue Sep 5, 2023 9:16 pm

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Good Vid thanks Minimus. :D
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Re: The Milk Shake Milton thread 

Post#39 » by thinktank » Tue Sep 5, 2023 10:14 pm

I’m very high on Shake. 8-)
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Post#40 » by Klomp » Tue Sep 5, 2023 11:44 pm

thinktank wrote:I’m very high on Shake. 8-)

What did you add to yours to get so high?
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