Trade Talk (Part Thirteen): 2023 Offseason Edition

[Slim Tubby]

Most people believe Lillard has more current trade value than KAT, and for some teams, that's probably true. However, Lillard is six (6) years older than KAT and that is a HUGE difference in a NBA lifecycle of a player and the construction of a roster.

Connelly has already made a "short-sided" trade for Gobert. Having a concern that he would do it again is a very real threat as it would be his only avenue towards protecting the validity of the first mistake that he made.

If you're of the mindset that we can't always be in the "re-stocking" mindframe towards our roster, this is also a very viable line of thinking and one that should not be dismissed without cause.

[pumunga]

What picks can Minnesota trade

[BlacJacMac]

I would guess most teams would “reach out” to Portland.

It doesn’t mean anything is happening, but it would be foolish not to take their temperature.

[twolves31]

While I do think the Wolves chances of a championship are improved next season with a Towns for Dame swap I wouldn't do it based on Dames age and the fact he is just as injury prone as Kat these past few seasons. If I'm calling up Portland, it's to sell Dame on staying with Portland in a Kat for Scoot, Sharpe, and Nurkic trade.

[TimberKat]

It doesn't have to be Towns for Dame. Could also be JMac + salary ( not popular, but possible), Gobert for Dame. I actually think Towns have a higher trade value due to Dame's age and contract in 26/27. I wouldn't give up both Towns + Conley unless the trade include a real starting pwf. Maybe Towns + Conley for Dame + Grant but Grant's new contract is bad too.

[TimberKat]

While I do think the Wolves chances of a championship are improved next season with a Towns for Dame swap I wouldn't do it based on Dames age and the fact he is just as injury prone as Kat these past few seasons. If I'm calling up Portland, it's to sell Dame on staying with Portland in a Kat for Scoot, Sharpe, and Nurkic trade.

This trade doesn't improve our chance of winning next year. Nurkic have 3 years of salary remain. So we push out the deep playoff run for another three years and hope Scoot or Sharpe could become an all star? It took Ant 3 years to make it to all star replacement and he is still a work in progress. We can't get to second round without a star in return.

[Norseman79]

I'm guaranteeing you, they weren't inquiring about getting Lillard for themselves. They were looking at getting in on the action.

[Devilzsidewalk]

Most people believe Lillard has more current trade value than KAT, and for some teams, that's probably true. However, Lillard is six (6) years older than KAT and that is a HUGE difference in a NBA lifecycle of a player and the construction of a roster.

Connelly has already made a "short-sided" trade for Gobert. Having a concern that he would do it again is a very real threat as it would be his only avenue towards protecting the validity of the first mistake that he made.

If you're of the mindset that we can't always be in the "re-stocking" mindframe towards our roster, this is also a very viable line of thinking and one that should not be dismissed without cause.

You know what occurred to me is that the value of an NBA franchise (financially speaking), isn't in year to year profits, but the appreciation of the asset itself, so on that note, I'm wondering if there might be more and more owners coming in with the main concern of headline grabbing moves for immediate success, knowing that you're going to sell the team in 8-10 years.

A-Rod and Lore have zero connection to Minnesota, so they're probably in this thing for the money. A Dame trade might make perfect sense to them - much more-so than a Gobert trade even.



If I'm an owner looking at this, I don't give a **** about year-to-year finances so much - just tread water while you make the playoffs and generate excitement. I also don't give a **** about setting the franchise up for an organic dynasty - I can sell in 2030 and double my money...maybe even triple. The next owner can worry about the cap and draft picks.

[BlacJacMac]

Apparently Chris Haynes said the Wolves are out because we refused to include Towns in the deal.

So we probably floated Gobert, they said nah, we said OK, bye.

[twolves31]

Most people believe Lillard has more current trade value than KAT, and for some teams, that's probably true. However, Lillard is six (6) years older than KAT and that is a HUGE difference in a NBA lifecycle of a player and the construction of a roster.

Connelly has already made a "short-sided" trade for Gobert. Having a concern that he would do it again is a very real threat as it would be his only avenue towards protecting the validity of the first mistake that he made.

If you're of the mindset that we can't always be in the "re-stocking" mindframe towards our roster, this is also a very viable line of thinking and one that should not be dismissed without cause.

You know what occurred to me is that the value of an NBA franchise (financially speaking), isn't in year to year profits, but the appreciation of the asset itself, so on that note, I'm wondering if there might be more and more owners coming in with the main concern of headline grabbing moves for immediate success, knowing that you're going to sell the team in 8-10 years.

A-Rod and Lore have zero connection to Minnesota, so they're probably in this thing for the money. A Dame trade might make perfect sense to them - much more-so than a Gobert trade even.



If I'm an owner looking at this, I don't give a **** about year-to-year finances so much - just tread water while you make the playoffs and generate excitement. I also don't give a **** about setting the franchise up for an organic dynasty - I can sell in 2030 and double my money...maybe even triple. The next owner can worry about the cap and draft picks.

Warren Buffet's thoughts on the matter.

Well, they're kind of like art. I mean, they go up in value because there's just a lot of rich people that want to own one, and there's more rich people than there are teams. So they compete for 'em. Some of them don't make much money, as you know, but if you've got a lot of money, what are you gonna do with it? Some people buy art, some people buy houses, some people buy boats. I invest, but I'm different.

Buffett understands the ultimate value of a team is a simple function of a limited supply and robust demand from people seeking celebrity and fame. Not the foundational principles of investing in profitable business at fair prices that he adheres to

[Domejandro]

While I do think the Wolves chances of a championship are improved next season with a Towns for Dame swap I wouldn't do it based on Dames age and the fact he is just as injury prone as Kat these past few seasons. If I'm calling up Portland, it's to sell Dame on staying with Portland in a Kat for Scoot, Sharpe, and Nurkic trade.

Portland isn’t interested in a Scoot Henderson for Karl-Anthony Towns trade, much less casually slipping Shaedon Sharpe in there.

[twolves31]

While I do think the Wolves chances of a championship are improved next season with a Towns for Dame swap I wouldn't do it based on Dames age and the fact he is just as injury prone as Kat these past few seasons. If I'm calling up Portland, it's to sell Dame on staying with Portland in a Kat for Scoot, Sharpe, and Nurkic trade.

Portland isn’t interested in a Scoot Henderson for Karl-Anthony Towns trade, much less casually slipping Shaedon Sharpe in there.

That's true, but that was also before Dame demanded out. The Dame heat might put a lot more pressure on them, than they thought they were in two weeks ago.

[Domejandro]

It doesn't have to be Towns for Dame. Could also be JMac + salary ( not popular, but possible), Gobert for Dame. I actually think Towns have a higher trade value due to Dame's age and contract in 26/27. I wouldn't give up both Towns + Conley unless the trade include a real starting pwf. Maybe Towns + Conley for Dame + Grant but Grant's new contract is bad too.

1. There is no world where the Portland Trailblazers are trading Damian Lillard for Rudy Gobert, and there is no team that will pay for Minnesota to get Damian Lillard in a three-way. The conversation would start with Karl-Anthony Towns. Full stop.

2. Jerami Grant cannot be traded for until mid-season. He has agreed to a five year deal, which cannot be transitioned into a sign-and-trade.

Again, I don’t see a likely scenario where Damian Lillard ends up in Minnesota in any context, but if he did, Karl-Anthony Towns is the only option that would make sense.

[Domejandro]

While I do think the Wolves chances of a championship are improved next season with a Towns for Dame swap I wouldn't do it based on Dames age and the fact he is just as injury prone as Kat these past few seasons. If I'm calling up Portland, it's to sell Dame on staying with Portland in a Kat for Scoot, Sharpe, and Nurkic trade.

Portland isn’t interested in a Scoot Henderson for Karl-Anthony Towns trade, much less casually slipping Shaedon Sharpe in there.

That's true, but that was also before Dame demanded out. The Dame heat might put a lot more pressure on them, than they thought they were in two weeks ago.

I’ve been calling it since pre-Draft, but it’s been pretty clear that the Portland Trailblazers are fully prepared to transition towards a rebuild. The conditions aren’t any different than they were prior to the Draft, outside of the team having even less flexibility to conduct a trade.

That avenue is 100% toast, Damian Lillard is not going to be in Portland next season. Both sides are ready to move on from each other.

[minimus]

"never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"

[Devilzsidewalk]

Apparently Chris Haynes said the Wolves are out because we refused to include Towns in the deal.

So we probably floated Gobert, they said nah, we said OK, bye.

That seems like a weird suggestion - obviously Portland would have zero interest in that.

I was thinking about if there's a multi-team trade in there somewhere where we send out Gobert, take back an undesirable contract like Duncan Robinson or Nurkic or Ben Simmons, and then get something sweet in exchange for that? I'm sure those guys' names are getting floated a lot, but nobody wants to take them back. I don't know all the stipulations and stuff, but if for example we had to take back Nurkic but get Cam Johnson in the deal? I'd probably do that.

[TimberKat]

It doesn't have to be Towns for Dame. Could also be JMac + salary ( not popular, but possible), Gobert for Dame. I actually think Towns have a higher trade value due to Dame's age and contract in 26/27. I wouldn't give up both Towns + Conley unless the trade include a real starting pwf. Maybe Towns + Conley for Dame + Grant but Grant's new contract is bad too.

1. There is no world where the Portland Trailblazers are trading Damian Lillard for Rudy Gobert, and there is no team that will pay for Minnesota to get Damian Lillard in a three-way. The conversation would start with Karl-Anthony Towns. Full stop.

2. Jerami Grant cannot be traded for until mid-season. He has agreed to a five year deal, which cannot be transitioned into a sign-and-trade.

Again, I don’t see a likely scenario where Damian Lillard ends up in Minnesota in any context, but if he did, Karl-Anthony Towns is the only option that would make sense.

Not saying we want to do this but could we trade Conley+JMcD+KA+our picks this year and a couple pick swap for Dame?

[guest81]

Insanity that people wouldn't trade kat for lillard. Dame is one of the great playoff performers of the past 30 years and kat is the exact opposite. If you swapped out kat for dame this past series against the Nuggets they go at least 6 games and could of easily won

[guest81]

It doesn't have to be Towns for Dame. Could also be JMac + salary ( not popular, but possible), Gobert for Dame. I actually think Towns have a higher trade value due to Dame's age and contract in 26/27. I wouldn't give up both Towns + Conley unless the trade include a real starting pwf. Maybe Towns + Conley for Dame + Grant but Grant's new contract is bad too.

1. There is no world where the Portland Trailblazers are trading Damian Lillard for Rudy Gobert, and there is no team that will pay for Minnesota to get Damian Lillard in a three-way. The conversation would start with Karl-Anthony Towns. Full stop.

2. Jerami Grant cannot be traded for until mid-season. He has agreed to a five year deal, which cannot be transitioned into a sign-and-trade.

Again, I don’t see a likely scenario where Damian Lillard ends up in Minnesota in any context, but if he did, Karl-Anthony Towns is the only option that would make sense.

Not saying we want to do this but could we trade Conley+JMcD+KA+our picks this year and a couple pick swap for Dame?

Zero percent chance

[guest81]

It doesn't have to be Towns for Dame. Could also be JMac + salary ( not popular, but possible), Gobert for Dame. I actually think Towns have a higher trade value due to Dame's age and contract in 26/27. I wouldn't give up both Towns + Conley unless the trade include a real starting pwf. Maybe Towns + Conley for Dame + Grant but Grant's new contract is bad too.

1. There is no world where the Portland Trailblazers are trading Damian Lillard for Rudy Gobert, and there is no team that will pay for Minnesota to get Damian Lillard in a three-way. The conversation would start with Karl-Anthony Towns. Full stop.

2. Jerami Grant cannot be traded for until mid-season. He has agreed to a five year deal, which cannot be transitioned into a sign-and-trade.

Again, I don’t see a likely scenario where Damian Lillard ends up in Minnesota in any context, but if he did, Karl-Anthony Towns is the only option that would make sense.

Not saying we want to do this but could we trade Conley+JMcD+KA+our picks this year and a couple pick swap for Dame?

Zero percent chance