***Wolves vs Bulls final Pre-Season Game Thread***

[KGdaBom]

I'm most upset at this point at Rudy KILLING the offense with his incredibly low BBIQ on that end (which really can't feasibly go any lower) and vast overestimation of his skill level.
If he would actually use that big body to be a supporting player and not a "look at me" basketball version of a Kardashian I could live with having a guy who's only good for setting picks and putback dunks.

You see the 3 lobs/putbacks he converted.
I see 20 minutes of terrible offense he was the centerpiece for, which would have been much worse if Ant hadn't been canning a bunch of long difficult jumpers, which were his only option with a 7'2 doofus who can't shoot outside of 3 feet or hold the ball for more than 3 seconds without turning it over posting up like an idiot and calling for the ball..

And Kessler has massively positive trade value while Rudy has negative trade value because age and contract matter, a lot.
And he's already at Gobert's current level of play.

But if Rudy doesn't somehow get his head on straight on the offensive end, the worst part of the Gobert trade is going to be Rudy Gobert, not Kessler or the draft picks.

Before Ant gets to the same point with him that Donovan Mitchell did.
If he's not there already.

All the success that Utah had while Rudy was there was 95% because of Rudy. He didn't play as well for us as he did for them. Hopefully he bounces back this year, because I think your opinion of him is incredibly off base. Rudy is a very good player.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

I find all this so ''funny''. We may have the best team we never had and some people still try to find some issue. As i say before if Rudy go for 12/12/2blocks per game and do his part on defense, it will be perfect.
We are lucky no one post here all the time about Ant TO.... which are a lot..........season start son and i hope after we got 50 + win, some people just appreciate it and stop complainng the same things all the time.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

And as a jazz followr for year, it's totally wrong saying that Don complain about Rudy offense.... and by the way what did Don achieve? if he was so good, he would have carry jazz on the top. He never did it ( no defense) and will never do it a Cavs as well. Rudy get big flaws and big skills. The point is to use Rudy skill at the best. I don't care if Rudy don't see the ball much and go only for dunk and easy layup as long as got rebounds, blocks.

[Calinks]

The Rudy hatred will get really old quickly. I know he has flaws and they bug me too but I was unaware of how disrespected he is around the league. Again, I thought KAT had it bad, People really don't have an iota of respect for Rudy, even when he does something good, they just shrug and act like it was a fluke.

[younggunsmn]

The Rudy hatred will get really old quickly. I know he has flaws and they bug me too but I was unaware of how disrespected he is around the league. Again, I thought KAT had it bad, People really don't have an iota of respect for Rudy, even when he does something good, they just shrug and act like it was a fluke.

It's about AVOIDABLE mistakes and torpedoing your own offense because you are unwilling to admit or account for your own weaknesses.
100% mental. And it's glaring and right there out in the open for all to see.
If ANY other big with a lack of offensive skill were playing the same way he would be out of the rotation if not out of the league.

Maybe that's why Rudy has very little respect from other players around the league including former teammates.

[KGdaBom]

The Rudy hatred will get really old quickly. I know he has flaws and they bug me too but I was unaware of how disrespected he is around the league. Again, I thought KAT had it bad, People really don't have an iota of respect for Rudy, even when he does something good, they just shrug and act like it was a fluke.

It's about AVOIDABLE mistakes and torpedoing your own offense because you are unwilling to admit or account for your own weaknesses.
100% mental. And it's glaring and right there out in the open for all to see.
If ANY other big with a lack of offensive skill were playing the same way he would be out of the rotation if not out of the league.

Maybe that's why Rudy has very little respect from other players around the league including former teammates.

I am going to really enjoy how much Rudy will prove you wrong. I mean spectacularly wrong.

[Folklore]

The Rudy hatred will get really old quickly. I know he has flaws and they bug me too but I was unaware of how disrespected he is around the league. Again, I thought KAT had it bad, People really don't have an iota of respect for Rudy, even when he does something good, they just shrug and act like it was a fluke.

Who are these people you're talking about? I'm pretty sure everyone here can praise his skills but also can notice that his shortcomings effect the team too much. Its people like you who see fact as an attack and unfortunately a lot of people can't handle facts when they show up without being coddled first.

Rudy is a great player and person off the court. he's involved in charities I can get behind...alright? I'm not not saying he's bad, alright? hear me out...yes, he's a great player I agree with you on that, yep, and I can admit that other players have their flaws also. But those players are cheap and can either be traded or they sit on the bench. But for Rudy, the way the team would have to be constructed to cover his problem areas is just too much to sacrifice because we're forced to play him because of the trade, contract, and the GM who has to cover his ass. We already had to trade for his former PG to help smooth his transition but where would it end for a player who doesn't have strengths that age well?

Yes the Jazz were in the playoffs but they always failed and their star SG even had problems with Rudy. Rudy has a great resume and nobody takes that away from him. But he's only here to cover another guys shortcomings (KAT) and that was a mistake too since people talk about trading KAT.

I like Rudy but would like his game more on another team. And its everyone's hope that he proves his weaknesses wrong and evolve.

[Calinks]

The Rudy hatred will get really old quickly. I know he has flaws and they bug me too but I was unaware of how disrespected he is around the league. Again, I thought KAT had it bad, People really don't have an iota of respect for Rudy, even when he does something good, they just shrug and act like it was a fluke.

Who are these people you're talking about? I'm pretty sure everyone here can praise his skills but also can notice that his shortcomings effect the team too much. Its people like you who see fact as an attack and unfortunately a lot of people can't handle facts when they show up without being coddled first.

Rudy is a great player and person off the court. he's involved in charities I can get behind...alright? I'm not not saying he's bad, alright? hear me out...yes, he's a great player I agree with you on that, yep, and I can admit that other players have their flaws also. But those players are cheap and can either be traded or they sit on the bench. But for Rudy, the way the team would have to be constructed to cover his problem areas is just too much to sacrifice because we're forced to play him because of the trade, contract, and the GM who has to cover his ass. We already had to trade for his former PG to help smooth his transition but where would it end for a player who doesn't have strengths that age well?

Yes the Jazz were in the playoffs but they always failed and their star SG even had problems with Rudy. Rudy has a great resume and nobody takes that away from him. But he's only here to cover another guys shortcomings (KAT) and that was a mistake too since people talk about trading KAT.

I like Rudy but would like his game more on another team. And its everyone's hope that he proves his weaknesses wrong and evolve.

Not really talking about people here, just saying around NBA fandom online, Rudy Gobert gets zero positive regard, people act like he's JaVale McGee (even he got overly hated) from several years back, its crazy how little they respect him.

[Note30]

The Rudy hatred will get really old quickly. I know he has flaws and they bug me too but I was unaware of how disrespected he is around the league. Again, I thought KAT had it bad, People really don't have an iota of respect for Rudy, even when he does something good, they just shrug and act like it was a fluke.

It's about AVOIDABLE mistakes and torpedoing your own offense because you are unwilling to admit or account for your own weaknesses.
100% mental. And it's glaring and right there out in the open for all to see.
If ANY other big with a lack of offensive skill were playing the same way he would be out of the rotation if not out of the league.

Maybe that's why Rudy has very little respect from other players around the league including former teammates.

I am going to really enjoy how much Rudy will prove you wrong. I mean spectacularly wrong.

He didn't really prove us wrong last year. He had a full year to live up to his value and he couldn't.

The bar for Rudy's respect is commensurate with the value he was traded for. The only player who had a trade of that value in recent years was probably Paul George. And even though Kawhi was technically the reason that deal was done, PG still hasn't lived up to the hype. He still gets dogged on all the time and I actually like him.

Donovan Mitchell is another player who had a similar trade. Yet people aren't **** on him because he was a fringe MVP candidate last year.

[Note30]

I'm most upset at this point at Rudy KILLING the offense with his incredibly low BBIQ on that end (which really can't feasibly go any lower) and vast overestimation of his skill level.
If he would actually use that big body to be a supporting player and not a "look at me" basketball version of a Kardashian I could live with having a guy who's only good for setting picks and putback dunks.

You see the 3 lobs/putbacks he converted.
I see 20 minutes of terrible offense he was the centerpiece for, which would have been much worse if Ant hadn't been canning a bunch of long difficult jumpers, which were his only option with a 7'2 doofus who can't shoot outside of 3 feet or hold the ball for more than 3 seconds without turning it over posting up like an idiot and calling for the ball..

And Kessler has massively positive trade value while Rudy has negative trade value because age and contract matter, a lot.
And he's already at Gobert's current level of play.

But if Rudy doesn't somehow get his head on straight on the offensive end, the worst part of the Gobert trade is going to be Rudy Gobert, not Kessler or the draft picks.

Before Ant gets to the same point with him that Donovan Mitchell did.
If he's not there already.

There are AAU players with more offensive skills than Gobert.

The thing that bugs me the most is you can't run any other action for him. He can't even put the ball down. He has less offensive skill than Vanderbilt. Atleast JV could put the ball down and do basic DHO for guards or run the ball on the break.

[Note30]

I find all this so ''funny''. We may have the best team we never had and some people still try to find some issue. As i say before if Rudy go for 12/12/2blocks per game and do his part on defense, it will be perfect.
We are lucky no one post here all the time about Ant TO.... which are a lot..........season start son and i hope after we got 50 + win, some people just appreciate it and stop complainng the same things all the time.

We don't have the best team we ever had because if we did our record would match that. And it doesn't. Rudy had a full year and he didn't do diddly ****. Mostly because he's unplayable on offense and can only run drop coverage on defense.

We didn't trade 5 picks and role players for Ant. We did trade all that for a garbage offensive player.

And Ant is the only reason this offense even breathes, so take Rudy's nuts out of your mouth for 5 seconds.

[KGdaBom]

It's about AVOIDABLE mistakes and torpedoing your own offense because you are unwilling to admit or account for your own weaknesses.
100% mental. And it's glaring and right there out in the open for all to see.
If ANY other big with a lack of offensive skill were playing the same way he would be out of the rotation if not out of the league.

Maybe that's why Rudy has very little respect from other players around the league including former teammates.

I am going to really enjoy how much Rudy will prove you wrong. I mean spectacularly wrong.

He didn't really prove us wrong last year. He had a full year to live up to his value and he couldn't.

The bar for Rudy's respect is commensurate with the value he was traded for. The only player who had a trade of that value in recent years was probably Paul George. And even though Kawhi was technically the reason that deal was done, PG still hasn't lived up to the hype. He still gets dogged on all the time and I actually like him.

Donovan Mitchell is another player who had a similar trade. Yet people aren't **** on him because he was a fringe MVP candidate last year.

He played a lot better than the piece of **** that YoungGuns clearly thinks he is whether he says so or not. YoungGuns as far as I can tell believes Rudy is a POS regardless of what he was traded for.

[Calinks]

I find all this so ''funny''. We may have the best team we never had and some people still try to find some issue. As i say before if Rudy go for 12/12/2blocks per game and do his part on defense, it will be perfect.
We are lucky no one post here all the time about Ant TO.... which are a lot..........season start son and i hope after we got 50 + win, some people just appreciate it and stop complainng the same things all the time.

We don't have the best team we ever had because if we did our record would match that. And it doesn't. Rudy had a full year and he didn't do diddly ****. Mostly because he's unplayable on offense and can only run drop coverage on defense.

We didn't trade 5 picks and role players for Ant. We did trade all that for a garbage offensive player.

And Ant is the only reason this offense even breathes, so take Rudy's nuts out of your mouth for 5 seconds.

Come on now. Rudy is not a flashy or offensive player but he was still instrumental in us making the playoffs last year. We were still a good defensive team in large part hanks to him. Can't act like he did nothing out there.

[KGdaBom]

I find all this so ''funny''. We may have the best team we never had and some people still try to find some issue. As i say before if Rudy go for 12/12/2blocks per game and do his part on defense, it will be perfect.
We are lucky no one post here all the time about Ant TO.... which are a lot..........season start son and i hope after we got 50 + win, some people just appreciate it and stop complainng the same things all the time.

We don't have the best team we ever had because if we did our record would match that. And it doesn't. Rudy had a full year and he didn't do diddly ****. Mostly because he's unplayable on offense and can only run drop coverage on defense.

We didn't trade 5 picks and role players for Ant. We did trade all that for a garbage offensive player.

And Ant is the only reason this offense even breathes, so take Rudy's nuts out of your mouth for 5 seconds.

I'm going to really enjoy how much Rudy proves you wrong. I mean spectacularly wrong. However, no matter what he does you won't admit it.

[KGdaBom]

I find all this so ''funny''. We may have the best team we never had and some people still try to find some issue. As i say before if Rudy go for 12/12/2blocks per game and do his part on defense, it will be perfect.
We are lucky no one post here all the time about Ant TO.... which are a lot..........season start son and i hope after we got 50 + win, some people just appreciate it and stop complainng the same things all the time.

We don't have the best team we ever had because if we did our record would match that. And it doesn't. Rudy had a full year and he didn't do diddly ****. Mostly because he's unplayable on offense and can only run drop coverage on defense.

We didn't trade 5 picks and role players for Ant. We did trade all that for a garbage offensive player.

And Ant is the only reason this offense even breathes, so take Rudy's nuts out of your mouth for 5 seconds.

To me we have the 2nd best team we ever had. We currently have no record, but we will. Let's see how it goes.

[Neeva]

I find all this so ''funny''. We may have the best team we never had and some people still try to find some issue. As i say before if Rudy go for 12/12/2blocks per game and do his part on defense, it will be perfect.
We are lucky no one post here all the time about Ant TO.... which are a lot..........season start son and i hope after we got 50 + win, some people just appreciate it and stop complainng the same things all the time.

We don't have the best team we ever had because if we did our record would match that. And it doesn't. Rudy had a full year and he didn't do diddly ****. Mostly because he's unplayable on offense and can only run drop coverage on defense.

We didn't trade 5 picks and role players for Ant. We did trade all that for a garbage offensive player.

And Ant is the only reason this offense even breathes, so take Rudy's nuts out of your mouth for 5 seconds.

I'm going to really enjoy how much Rudy proves you wrong. I mean spectacularly wrong. However, no matter what he does you won't admit it.

They will never admit anything they will just disappear like the McDaniels and Ant skeptics (although those posters do appear early in the seasons if Jaden and Ant have slow starts to call Jaden a skinny non entity and Ant Dion Waiters 2.0 then when Jaden and Ant get going as the season goes on, they disappear)

[Note30]

We don't have the best team we ever had because if we did our record would match that. And it doesn't. Rudy had a full year and he didn't do diddly ****. Mostly because he's unplayable on offense and can only run drop coverage on defense.

We didn't trade 5 picks and role players for Ant. We did trade all that for a garbage offensive player.

And Ant is the only reason this offense even breathes, so take Rudy's nuts out of your mouth for 5 seconds.

I'm going to really enjoy how much Rudy proves you wrong. I mean spectacularly wrong. However, no matter what he does you won't admit it.

They will never admit anything they will just disappear like the McDaniels and Ant skeptics (although those posters do appear early in the seasons if Jaden and Ant have slow starts, then when they get going as the season goes on, they disappear)

Yeah I mean I have this in my signature so if you're thinking that I'm not gonna have a ton of crow to eat if I'm wrong.

[Note30]

I am going to really enjoy how much Rudy will prove you wrong. I mean spectacularly wrong.

He didn't really prove us wrong last year. He had a full year to live up to his value and he couldn't.

The bar for Rudy's respect is commensurate with the value he was traded for. The only player who had a trade of that value in recent years was probably Paul George. And even though Kawhi was technically the reason that deal was done, PG still hasn't lived up to the hype. He still gets dogged on all the time and I actually like him.

Donovan Mitchell is another player who had a similar trade. Yet people aren't **** on him because he was a fringe MVP candidate last year.

He played a lot better than the piece of **** that YoungGuns clearly thinks he is whether he says so or not. YoungGuns as far as I can tell believes Rudy is a POS regardless of what he was traded for.

Still doesn't change the fact that he didn't live up to his value last year.

[Note30]

I find all this so ''funny''. We may have the best team we never had and some people still try to find some issue. As i say before if Rudy go for 12/12/2blocks per game and do his part on defense, it will be perfect.
We are lucky no one post here all the time about Ant TO.... which are a lot..........season start son and i hope after we got 50 + win, some people just appreciate it and stop complainng the same things all the time.

We don't have the best team we ever had because if we did our record would match that. And it doesn't. Rudy had a full year and he didn't do diddly ****. Mostly because he's unplayable on offense and can only run drop coverage on defense.

We didn't trade 5 picks and role players for Ant. We did trade all that for a garbage offensive player.

And Ant is the only reason this offense even breathes, so take Rudy's nuts out of your mouth for 5 seconds.

I'm going to really enjoy how much Rudy proves you wrong. I mean spectacularly wrong. However, no matter what he does you won't admit it.

Like I said he didn't live up to his value last year, I definitely don't see that happening this year.

Are you just going to post this every year he's with us?

[Note30]

I find all this so ''funny''. We may have the best team we never had and some people still try to find some issue. As i say before if Rudy go for 12/12/2blocks per game and do his part on defense, it will be perfect.
We are lucky no one post here all the time about Ant TO.... which are a lot..........season start son and i hope after we got 50 + win, some people just appreciate it and stop complainng the same things all the time.

We don't have the best team we ever had because if we did our record would match that. And it doesn't. Rudy had a full year and he didn't do diddly ****. Mostly because he's unplayable on offense and can only run drop coverage on defense.

We didn't trade 5 picks and role players for Ant. We did trade all that for a garbage offensive player.

And Ant is the only reason this offense even breathes, so take Rudy's nuts out of your mouth for 5 seconds.

Come on now. Rudy is not a flashy or offensive player but he was still instrumental in us making the playoffs last year. We were still a good defensive team in large part hanks to him. Can't act like he did nothing out there.

Absolutely of course he helped get us to the playin last year. That doesn't change the fact that considering what we gave up he definitely didn't live up to the expectations of what we traded him for.

Yeah he helped out our half court defense. But our half court defense wasn't all that horrible prior to the trade.

My point isn't oh yeah Rudy is dog ****. My point is that people are far overvaluing what he brings to the table.