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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#21 » by m2002brian » Wed May 15, 2024 1:41 pm

1991

2 wins
3 losses
2 wins

2024

2 wins
3 losses
2 wins


Let’s get it!
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#22 » by thinktank » Wed May 15, 2024 2:32 pm

I really, really hope Leonard Miller pans out.

Average D and hit spot up shots would do wonders for us. Kyle can’t do it. Jaden gives you D but no O.
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#23 » by KATKlownFeet » Wed May 15, 2024 4:21 pm

Rename the thread "Reasons for delusion." I hate Barkley, Stephen Smith and complacent and delusional Wolves fans.
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#24 » by KATKlownFeet » Wed May 15, 2024 4:24 pm

KATKlownFeet wrote:Rename the thread "Reasons for delusion." I hate Barkley, Stephen Smith and complacent and delusional Wolves fans.
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#25 » by Worm Guts » Wed May 15, 2024 4:25 pm

KATKlownFeet wrote:Rename the thread "Reasons for delusion." I hate Barkley, Stephen Smith and complacent Wolves fans.


I guess I prefer delusion over giving up before the game is over.
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#26 » by KATKlownFeet » Wed May 15, 2024 4:28 pm

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KATKlownFeet wrote:Rename the thread "Reasons for delusion." I hate Barkley, Stephen Smith and complacent Wolves fans.


I guess I prefer delusion over giving up before the game is over.


I'm still watching. If you can't win a title, watching a train wreck is the next best thing. :D
Plus, Wolves played better when nobody believed they could win. When everybody thought the Wolves would or could win, that was the kiss of death! And what's more the Denver nay-sayers gave Denver something to prove! I'm hoping everybody writes off the Wolves and crowns the Denver as champs.... :wink:
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#27 » by shrink » Wed May 15, 2024 7:02 pm

Win two for Mike!
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#28 » by Klomp » Wed May 15, 2024 7:34 pm

KATKlownFeet wrote:Rename the thread "Reasons for delusion." I hate Barkley, Stephen Smith and complacent and delusional Wolves fans.

Why do you spend so much time here then if you hate us all so much?
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#29 » by Note30 » Wed May 15, 2024 8:01 pm

Klomp wrote:
KATKlownFeet wrote:Rename the thread "Reasons for delusion." I hate Barkley, Stephen Smith and complacent and delusional Wolves fans.

Why do you spend so much time here then if you hate us all so much?


My guess? Masochism.
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#30 » by Klomp » Wed May 15, 2024 8:05 pm

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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#31 » by guest81 » Wed May 15, 2024 9:39 pm

KATKlownFeet wrote:Rename the thread "Reasons for delusion." I hate Barkley, Stephen Smith and complacent and delusional Wolves fans.


I mean to me this is the nba finals. No other team has looked close to the level of these two teams boston included. I think wolves result beat
okc, Dallas or Boston. No shame in losing to the nba finals.
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#32 » by Klomp » Wed May 15, 2024 10:01 pm

guest81 wrote:I mean to me this is the nba finals. No other team has looked close to the level of these two teams boston included. I think wolves result beat okc, Dallas or Boston. No shame in losing to the nba finals.

My boss is a BC grad and a Celtics fan. So I beat him to the punch last night before he could give me a hard time by telling him about how Denver will go on to sweep both Dallas and New York to repeat as champs.
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#33 » by KATKlownFeet » Thu May 16, 2024 2:58 am

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Klomp wrote:
KATKlownFeet wrote:Rename the thread "Reasons for delusion." I hate Barkley, Stephen Smith and complacent and delusional Wolves fans.

Why do you spend so much time here then if you hate us all so much?


My guess? Masochism.


Haha! I really don't hate anyone here despite what I said earlier. But I am a long suffering Wolf fan like many of you, who loves watching basketball, and I don't have anything better to do with my time like many of you too. I guess after feeling the elation of six wins in a row, then seeing how quickly things turned was demoralizing. Barkley and Stephen A talking up the Wolves got me worried coupled with all the Jordan/Wade talk about Ant, collectively put me in the highly worried camp despite a 2-0 lead. And unlike Ant's humility in the Phoenix series, he seemed to turn from humble to boasting, even trying to one up Jordan by saying he got a three game. Each loss seemed to be met with complacency. I'm thinking where is the urgency? We'll get them next game and Finch failed to make the adjustments. Meanwhile, I've been so impressed with Denver's ability to adjust and Malone's ability to motivate. Finch impressed me first series, but he's really disappointed me this series and I truly question whether he's the right guy to lead this team if we want to move past the second round. The Wolves have to know going into game 6 that it truly is a must win game. I hope that fires them up and they play hungry and angry with a chip on their shoulder. We'll see.
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#34 » by TimberKat » Thu May 16, 2024 3:50 am

There is always next season and we still have our #1 pick in next month's draft. Maybe we find a Desmond Bane. Ant will be one year older next year, maybe wiser. Although that didn't work in Towns case.
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#35 » by minimus » Wed Jun 19, 2024 3:36 pm

I don't see a flashy move that elevates whole roster to new heights, however there are multiple small improvements that can be realistically done in order to be a better team:

- Ant being better decision maker, better pnr navigator

- Towns playing more in read-n-react mode

- McDaniels being more aggressive and assertive as third option in offense

- NAW being more aggressive and assertive as backup SG

- Monte Morris staying healthy

- Reid being better positional defender, boxing out

- getting more production (rebounds, defense, points in transition) from one of Minott/Miller duo

- TC being able to resign Monte Morris

- TC being able to find an impactful player in FA market, who agrees to sign minimum deal. Joe Harris, Reggie Bullock, RoCo?

- TC being able to find a promising player in draft with 27 and 37 picks

So my realistic scenario would be:

Minus Garza, Anderson, McLaughlin

Plus Monte Morris, Joe Harris, Baylor Scheierman, Dillon Jones

Gobert/Reid/???
Towns/Miller/Minott
McDaniels/Scheierman/Harris
Edwards/NAW/Moore + Clarke
Conley/Morris/Jones
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#36 » by frankenwolf » Wed Jun 19, 2024 4:36 pm

minimus wrote:I don't see a flashy move that elevates whole roster to new heights, however there are multiple small improvements that can be realistically done in order to be a better team:

- Ant being better decision maker, better pnr navigator

- Towns playing more in read-n-react mode

- McDaniels being more aggressive and assertive as third option in offense

- NAW being more aggressive and assertive as backup SG

- Monte Morris staying healthy

- Reid being better positional defender, boxing out

- getting more production (rebounds, defense, points in transition) from one of Minott/Miller duo

- TC being able to resign Monte Morris

- TC being able to find an impactful player in FA market, who agrees to sign minimum deal. Joe Harris, Reggie Bullock, RoCo?

- TC being able to find a promising player in draft with 27 and 37 picks

So my realistic scenario would be:

Minus Garza, Anderson, McLaughlin

Plus Monte Morris, Joe Harris, Baylor Scheierman, Dillon Jones

Gobert/Reid/???
Towns/Miller/Minott
McDaniels/Scheierman/Harris
Edwards/NAW/Moore + Clarke
Conley/Morris/Jones


I also don't see a big splash move coming. I do think, unless there is somebody that TC really likes @ 27, that they will trade the pick for either a future first or a couple of seconds. My reason is because of the guaranteed money that #27 commands and the fact that we are over the hard cap. I would rather we bring in someone that has shown to be able to help in our weaknesses ( Like Monte to backup Mike last year). OTOH, I am definitely NOT the GM or POBO.
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#37 » by minimus » Wed Jun 19, 2024 5:56 pm

We can not trade pick because of Stepien Rule. I also don't think that TC is afraid of drafting in such unclear situation, let him rule
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#38 » by BlacJacMac » Wed Jun 19, 2024 6:05 pm

minimus wrote:We can not trade pick because of Stepien Rule. I also don't think that TC is afraid of drafting in such unclear situation, let him rule


We can essentially trade it on draft day.
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#39 » by shrink » Wed Jun 19, 2024 7:25 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
minimus wrote:We can not trade pick because of Stepien Rule.

We can essentially trade it on draft day.

Correct, and I think you both understand this, but most don’t, so let me explain.

The Stepian Rule prohibits making any trade that would leave a team (and fanbase!) without a first round pick in the next two drafts. It’s the “next two drafts” thing that I think many find confusing, because once the draft begins, the next two drafts become 2025 and 2026. Since we own a pick in 2026 (maybe ours, maybe we have to swap), we can trade the 2024 pick (technically, the rights to the player picked) as soon as the draft starts.
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#40 » by BlacJacMac » Wed Jun 19, 2024 7:40 pm

shrink wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
minimus wrote:We can not trade pick because of Stepien Rule.

We can essentially trade it on draft day.

Correct, and I think you both understand this, but most don’t, so let me explain.

The Stepian Rule prohibits making any trade that would leave a team (and fanbase!) without a first round pick in the next two drafts. It’s the “next two drafts” thing that I think many find confusing, because once the draft begins, the next two drafts become 2025 and 2026. Since we own a pick in 2026 (maybe ours, maybe we have to swap), we can trade the 2024 pick (technically, the rights to the player picked) as soon as the draft starts.


I think its even simpler than that.

The Stepien Rule states you can't trade away future first round draft picks in consecutive years. Once we draft a player in 2024, its now considered a "past" pick and is immediately available for trade. And there is nothing to stop us from working out a deal with another team ahead of our pick to trade said player.

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