Shams: MIN trades Moore and #37 for #53

[winforlose]

too bad they picked up Moore's option previously, i guess that's pride about not wanting to be wrong about your selection

The thing is, hindsight is 20/20.

If Conley goes down last year, we would've needed Moore.

Sorry but no. Moore was never going to get run if Conley went down. He was never good enough at PG to run the offense even as a backup. It would have been a free agent pickup, Nix, or a trade. Moore’s option was picked up on spec and he collapsed like Culver collapsed in year 2. Terrible luck, but it is what it is.

[KATKlownFeet]

Guess Moore was more expensive than I thought ... Meaning he cost us more to get rid of

Of course, no team wanted him. He's terrible. Detroit traded to get a better pick. Moore will end up trying to catch on overseas. I don't feel bad for Moore as he made a lot of money to be terrible.

[KATKlownFeet]

I hope we draft Dante N'Faly. He was projected as a late second rounder and so maybe pick 53 gets him to us cheaper than 37.

[thinktank]

too bad they picked up Moore's option previously, i guess that's pride about not wanting to be wrong about your selection

The thing is, hindsight is 20/20.

If Conley goes down last year, we would've needed Moore.

Sorry but no. Moore was never going to get run if Conley went down. He was never good enough at PG to run the offense even as a backup. It would have been a free agent pickup, Nix, or a trade. Moore’s option was picked up on spec and he collapsed like Culver collapsed in year 2. Terrible luck, but it is what it is.

So you say but you don't know. You don't get to say "impossible" when you just don't know.

[gandlogo]

Bronny would be a complete waste from both talent and needs standpoints.

You're talking about a roster that has Daishen Nix on a two-way...I think it's naive to think he can't be at that level.

The kid wouldn't even be a UDFA candidate if it wasn't for his dad. He certainly wouldn't have been invited to the combine. The gyms are packed with 6'1" combo guards. Further, his stance of not taking a two-way spot makes him even more worthless for the Wolves. Easy pass. If the Wolves can leverage the pick because someone else wants him, that's the great value he can give this team. But every team in the general draft range are thinking the same thing.

[Klomp]

Bronny would be a complete waste from both talent and needs standpoints.

You're talking about a roster that has Daishen Nix on a two-way...I think it's naive to think he can't be at that level.

The kid wouldn't even be a UDFA candidate if it wasn't for his dad. He certainly wouldn't have been invited to the combine. The gyms are packed with 6'1" combo guards. Further, his stance of not taking a two-way spot makes him even more worthless for the Wolves. Easy pass. If the Wolves can leverage the pick because someone else wants him, that's the great value he can give this team. But every team in the general draft range are thinking the same thing.

Yeah because adding a $2 million salary to our books (veteran minimum, since you want 53 on two-way) makes more sense than adding a $1 million salary to our books...

[DaMplsKid]

#53 now:


PF
Osasere Ighodaro
FOLLOW
6'10"
222 lbs
Marquette
20
POS RK
58
OVR RK
Pre-Draft Analysis
Strengths: Ighodaro is an unconventional big man whose passing and defensive versatility made him impactful on both ends of the floor for a very good Marquette team the past few seasons.

Weaknesses: His lack of perimeter shooting ability, poor length and limited physicality on the glass make him a situational roster fit for most teams that need the right players around him to thrive.

The verdict: Ighodaro's ability to handle pushing off the defensive glass, operating out of dribble handoffs, and passing and defending all over the floor could be assets in the right system. Continuing to get stronger and expanding his shooting range could simplify his fit, but his versatility and activity level give him an interesting foundation off which to build. -- Jonathan Givony

29

Isaac Jones
Washington State
PF

PF
Isaac Jones
FOLLOW
6'8"
235 lbs
Washington State
21
POS RK
59
OVR RK
Pre-Draft Analysis
Strengths: Jones is a long-armed big man with a strong frame and intriguing two-way versatility who took the Pac-12 by storm with his aggressiveness and feel for the game.

Weaknesses: He did not show much shooting potential last season, making just one 3-pointer, and was not overly impactful on the glass. His lack of high-level experience showed at times.

The verdict: Jones, a juco walk-on who had zero D-I interest out of high school and grew late, impressed at the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament and G League Elite Camp to earn a trip to the NBA combine. He stood out everywhere he played in the pre-draft process with his physicality, intensity and instincts on both ends of the floor. He has the makings of a useful backup with his 7-foot-3 wingspan and the budding versatility he shows, and he could carve out an NBA role if he can find a way to stretch out his range, something he flashed this spring. -- Jonathan Givony

[DaMplsKid]

C
Ariel Hukporti
6'11"
246 lbs
Germany
9
POS RK
63
OVR RK
Pre-Draft Analysis
Strengths: Hukporti is a chiseled, mobile center who emerged as the most productive rebounder in this class on both ends of the floor on a per-minute basis.

Weaknesses: He is not particularly skilled away from the rim or comfortable guarding in space, living off his energy more than a great feel for the game. Injuries have been a concern and have limited his ability to participate in much of the pre-draft process.

The verdict: Hukporti had a highly productive season in the NBL, showing his ability to rim-run, finish lobs, corral rebounds and block shots at a strong rate. His reach and energetic style of play make him a fit at the end of an NBA bench. -- Jonathan Givony

[Norseman79]

Ulrich Chomche

[shrink]

I called it a week ago!

I'm just curious about the pulse here on Wendell Moore. Would you trade him for 53, for example?

At this point, fans seem to have given up on him. So I think a lot of Wolves fans seem like they'd be willing to trade him and his $2.5 million, even for only a late 2nd round pick.

Meanwhile, what does Detroit at 53 (or Washington at 51) have to gain from a late 2nd round pick? Taking a chance on a former 1st round pick might be worthwhile, even if he doesn't pan out. The added salary to the cap really shouldn't affect them too much.

Well, we had to give up the #37 ..

[shrink]

I heard a podcast last week that had a good take on Bronny.

Could he become a regular NBA player? Yes. He has the athleticism and potential to grow into a player that could contribute in a couple years. Just like about 80 guys in the draft.

[Klomp]

I heard a podcast last week that had a good take on Bronny.

Could he become a regular NBA player? Yes. He has the athleticism and potential to grow into a p,Ayer that could contribute in a couple years. Just like about 80 guys in the draft.

At this point in the draft, it's a crapshoot.

[shrink]

Since WMJ costs the same as a vet min, I look at it as trading down the 2nd was the cost to put a vet min guy in that roster spot.

[BlacJacMac]

The thing is, hindsight is 20/20.

If Conley goes down last year, we would've needed Moore.

Sorry but no. Moore was never going to get run if Conley went down. He was never good enough at PG to run the offense even as a backup. It would have been a free agent pickup, Nix, or a trade. Moore’s option was picked up on spec and he collapsed like Culver collapsed in year 2. Terrible luck, but it is what it is.

So you say but you don't know. You don't get to say "impossible" when you just don't know.

Did you see anything from him that gave you faith he could step in?

I saw a guy who made every pass a couple seconds late and was gunshy shooting the ball.

His claim to fame was he played decent defense for a few positions against Ja when he was a surprise starter one game. But he also missed a ton of rotations that game and picked up 4 PFs in 20 minutes.

[BlacJacMac]

Since WMJ costs the same as a vet min, I look at it as trading down the 2nd was the cost to put a vet min guy in that roster spot.

According to Dane we save significant money.

[shrink]

Since WMJ costs the same as a vet min, I look at it as trading down the 2nd was the cost to put a vet min guy in that roster spot.

According to Dane we save significant money.

Only if we don’t use the roster spot. (Edit, we can save $2 mil-ish if we swap his spot for a win-now, vet min player)

We had open roster spots already. If we wanted to carry 14, we could have done that and kept WMJ as one of those 14 players.

I like Dane, and I appreciate that he has learned a lot about the CBA, but this is the second time in two weeks that he’s given a pretty unsophisticated CBA take.

[younggunsmn]

Since WMJ costs the same as a vet min, I look at it as trading down the 2nd was the cost to put a vet min guy in that roster spot.

According to Dane we save significant money.

Only if we don’t use the roster spot.

We had open roster spots already. If we wanted to carry 14, we could have done that and kept WMJ as one of those 14 players.

I like Dane, and I appreciate that he has learned a lot about the CBA, but this is the second time in two weeks that he’s given a pretty unsophisticated CBA take.

The savings vs the veteran minimum is about 400k + 400k X the luxury tax multiplier, which is gonna be somewhere around 4-5.
If we replace his roster spot with a rookie minimum (53 or an UDFA), the savings is about 1.4 million + 1.4 million x the luxury tax multiplier.

We also cannot send or receive cash because we are going to be above the 2nd apron.
Saving 2-8 million is a significant savings given our position.

Remember, adding Dillingham also cost us about 4 million + 4 million times the luxury tax multiplier, there is going to be pressure to recoup some of that.

Cutting Minott and replacing him with a rookie min would save 700k x multiplier.
Cutting Minott and replacing him with a vet min would cost us 300k x multiplier.

[Araxen]

Bronny it is then.

[shrink]

Bronny it is then.

Araxen still here! Old school!

[BlacJacMac]

Since WMJ costs the same as a vet min, I look at it as trading down the 2nd was the cost to put a vet min guy in that roster spot.

According to Dane we save significant money.

Only if we don’t use the roster spot.

We had open roster spots already. If we wanted to carry 14, we could have done that and kept WMJ as one of those 14 players.

I like Dane, and I appreciate that he has learned a lot about the CBA, but this is the second time in two weeks that he’s given a pretty unsophisticated CBA take.

So this is wrong?

By replacing Wendell Moore Jr.'s $2.537M contract with a veteran minimum contract ($2.1M), the Wolves will save about $450k in salary -- which will also save them a couple million in luxury tax payments dependent on how far above the tax they finish the season out at.

But if they replace him with the No. 53 pick and sign that rookie to a rookie league minimum ($1.1M) they will save millions more.

This is a cost-cutting move.