Dane Moore reporting indications are that Taylor lost arbitration

[winforlose]

Do we know if Lore and AFraud are tight with Connelly and will try to retain him? If so, could the KAT trade have been orchestrated by them through Connelly as a sign that being in the Lux Tax will not be tolerated?

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Possible, but we are in the 2nd apron so highly unlikely.

[younggunsmn]

Respectfully, I really don’t think that this is accurate. Multiple things can be true.

1. Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore have had serious issues with raising funds throughout this process, which is potentially problematic. There are risks associated with them carving up ownership stake, especially when they don’t have much liquid cash.

2. They were a disaster with meeting deadlines, heavily relying on extensions to a concerning degree.

3. It was determined that Glen Taylor yanking the deal did not meet the threshold for good faith by the letter of their contract.

I have been pretty outspoken about my huge concerns regarding their finances, and am pretty unimpressed by their ability to meet deadlines effectively, but I was never particularly convinced that Glen Taylor’s attempt to shred the agreement outright would withstand arbitration.

This is a pretty accurate assessment.
It all boils down to if the deadlines they missed were enough to sever the agreement or if they were entitled to yet another extension in the contract that was not given in good faith by Glen.

And then whichever way that goes there will be more lawsuits.
And having to get their purchase and financing approved by the NBA board of governors.

Eric Schmit and Bloomberg are absolutely ruthless scum of the earth people with zero ethics (just like Alex Rodriguez).
Having superrich people propping up a purchase by relatively poor owners usually turns out a certain way.
It's a backwards dynamic I'm sure the NBA is not going to be particularly fond of.

Glen sucks. It's as agreed upon as the sky being blue.
But it can get much much much much much much worse.

Financial strain can have all kinds of downstream negative consequences and that reality can force the business to do all kinds of things it doesn't want to do.
I encourage anyone changing or looking for a new job to look as closely as you are able at the financial shape and performance of the company you are considering working for.

The reality of pro sports is that for the 2 leagues without hard caps, MLB and NBA, owners outside of the major markets have to pay out of pocket if they want to compete at the highest levels.

I hope the MLB gets a salary cap in the next CBA even if it takes a season or two of missed games.
What the Dodgers Yankess and Mets are doing is disgraceful having payrolls 3-4 times the small and mid markets.
Imagine the Lakers with 600 million payroll and being willing and able to offer Ant 100 million dollars a year for 13 years.
That's what baseball is like now.

To say it gets worse then Glen is ridiculous. He has also been a cheap owner minus like 2 years out of 30. Under Glen the wolves were the losinginess franchise in professional sports. It literally doesn't get worse then that

Glen has never tried to move the team.
Glen has never tried to shake down the taxpayers for a new arena with the threat of moving the team.
Glen has never not been able to make payroll.
Glen has always had 80%+ control of the team and has never had to rely on minority owners for financing.
Glen has always spent enough money relative to our market size.

Be very careful what you wish for.
Grass is not always greener.
That's all I'm trying to say.

[guest81]

To say it gets worse then Glen is ridiculous. He has also been a cheap owner minus like 2 years out of 30. Under Glen the wolves were the losinginess franchise in professional sports. It literally doesn't get worse then that

For any criticism that you can levy towards Glen Taylor, being a "cheap" owner certainly isn't one of them. He has always been willing to dip into the Luxury-Tax, there are far cheaper owners.

Glen has sold draft picks in other to pay for coaches. He paid Joe Smith under the table. He has the worst arena in the league

[guest81]

This is a pretty accurate assessment.
It all boils down to if the deadlines they missed were enough to sever the agreement or if they were entitled to yet another extension in the contract that was not given in good faith by Glen.

And then whichever way that goes there will be more lawsuits.
And having to get their purchase and financing approved by the NBA board of governors.

Eric Schmit and Bloomberg are absolutely ruthless scum of the earth people with zero ethics (just like Alex Rodriguez).
Having superrich people propping up a purchase by relatively poor owners usually turns out a certain way.
It's a backwards dynamic I'm sure the NBA is not going to be particularly fond of.

Glen sucks. It's as agreed upon as the sky being blue.
But it can get much much much much much much worse.

Financial strain can have all kinds of downstream negative consequences and that reality can force the business to do all kinds of things it doesn't want to do.
I encourage anyone changing or looking for a new job to look as closely as you are able at the financial shape and performance of the company you are considering working for.

The reality of pro sports is that for the 2 leagues without hard caps, MLB and NBA, owners outside of the major markets have to pay out of pocket if they want to compete at the highest levels.

I hope the MLB gets a salary cap in the next CBA even if it takes a season or two of missed games.
What the Dodgers Yankess and Mets are doing is disgraceful having payrolls 3-4 times the small and mid markets.
Imagine the Lakers with 600 million payroll and being willing and able to offer Ant 100 million dollars a year for 13 years.
That's what baseball is like now.

To say it gets worse then Glen is ridiculous. He has also been a cheap owner minus like 2 years out of 30. Under Glen the wolves were the losinginess franchise in professional sports. It literally doesn't get worse then that

Glen has never tried to move the team.
Glen has never tried to shake down the taxpayers for a new arena with the threat of moving the team.
Glen has never not been able to make payroll.
Glen has always had 80%+ control of the team and has never had to rely on minority owners for financing.
Glen has always spent enough money relative to our market size.

Be very careful what you wish for.
Grass is not always greener.
That's all I'm trying to say.

What do you think would of happened if Glen tried to move the team with the threat of a new arena? He would of been laughed out of the state

[guest81]

This is a pretty accurate assessment.
It all boils down to if the deadlines they missed were enough to sever the agreement or if they were entitled to yet another extension in the contract that was not given in good faith by Glen.

And then whichever way that goes there will be more lawsuits.
And having to get their purchase and financing approved by the NBA board of governors.

Eric Schmit and Bloomberg are absolutely ruthless scum of the earth people with zero ethics (just like Alex Rodriguez).
Having superrich people propping up a purchase by relatively poor owners usually turns out a certain way.
It's a backwards dynamic I'm sure the NBA is not going to be particularly fond of.

Glen sucks. It's as agreed upon as the sky being blue.
But it can get much much much much much much worse.

Financial strain can have all kinds of downstream negative consequences and that reality can force the business to do all kinds of things it doesn't want to do.
I encourage anyone changing or looking for a new job to look as closely as you are able at the financial shape and performance of the company you are considering working for.

The reality of pro sports is that for the 2 leagues without hard caps, MLB and NBA, owners outside of the major markets have to pay out of pocket if they want to compete at the highest levels.

I hope the MLB gets a salary cap in the next CBA even if it takes a season or two of missed games.
What the Dodgers Yankess and Mets are doing is disgraceful having payrolls 3-4 times the small and mid markets.
Imagine the Lakers with 600 million payroll and being willing and able to offer Ant 100 million dollars a year for 13 years.
That's what baseball is like now.

To say it gets worse then Glen is ridiculous. He has also been a cheap owner minus like 2 years out of 30. Under Glen the wolves were the losinginess franchise in professional sports. It literally doesn't get worse then that

Glen has never tried to move the team.
Glen has never tried to shake down the taxpayers for a new arena with the threat of moving the team.
Glen has never not been able to make payroll.
Glen has always had 80%+ control of the team and has never had to rely on minority owners for financing.
Glen has always spent enough money relative to our market size.

Be very careful what you wish for.
Grass is not always greener.
That's all I'm trying to say.

Also HE HAD THE WORST RECORD OF ANY SPORTS TEAM IN PROFESIONAL SPORTS!

[guest81]

Be careful what you wish for. You mean immediately after Glen steps aside they become a good team? I'll wish that all day

[Baseline81]

Glen has never tried to move the team.
Glen has never tried to shake down the taxpayers for a new arena with the threat of moving the team.
Glen has never not been able to make payroll.
Glen has always had 80%+ control of the team and has never had to rely on minority owners for financing.
Glen has always spent enough money relative to our market size.

Nothing you've written above impacts winning on the court. Under Taylor's ownership, this franchise has been a laughing stock.

[younggunsmn]

Glen has never tried to move the team.
Glen has never tried to shake down the taxpayers for a new arena with the threat of moving the team.
Glen has never not been able to make payroll.
Glen has always had 80%+ control of the team and has never had to rely on minority owners for financing.
Glen has always spent enough money relative to our market size.

Nothing you've written above impacts winning on the court. Under Taylor's ownership, this franchise has been a laughing stock.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize Glen Taylor traded the players, made the draft picks, coached the team, and took the shots.
I guess all of that is his fault too.
Should have never bought the team and kept it from moving to New Orleans.
He should have just sold to some collection of morons who would sign off on trading away Luka Doncic like Dallas did, we would be so much better off.

If you think some new owner is going to come in and lose 100 million dollars every single year to give you the team you feel you deserve, you are going to be sorely disappointed.

Every year statistically we have a 1/30 chance of winning a title and 1/15 chance of making the finals.
We had a 2/15 chance of getting as far as we did last year.

We were an expansion team. (89-95)
Then we struck gold with KG and had 8 straight playoff appearances capped with a WCF appearance. (96-04)
Then a long failed rebuild with some bad coach and GM hires and poor lottery luck. (05-13, the dark times)
Then we traded Love for Wiggins and drafted Lavine in '14 and won the lottery with KAT in '15 and started the rebuild that laid the foundation to a team that could finally compete for the playoffs.
And finally in 2020 we got lucky in the lottery again and drafted Ant and here we are.

Don't let the Glen hate get in the way of reason.
There are much worse things that can happen to a sports franchise than losing games. and like him or not Glen Taylor has been a bulwark against those things.

[guest81]

Glen has never tried to move the team.
Glen has never tried to shake down the taxpayers for a new arena with the threat of moving the team.
Glen has never not been able to make payroll.
Glen has always had 80%+ control of the team and has never had to rely on minority owners for financing.
Glen has always spent enough money relative to our market size.

Nothing you've written above impacts winning on the court. Under Taylor's ownership, this franchise has been a laughing stock.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize Glen Taylor traded the players, made the draft picks, coached the team, and took the shots.
I guess all of that is his fault too.
Should have never bought the team and kept it from moving to New Orleans.
He should have just sold to some collection of morons who would sign off on trading away Luka Doncic like Dallas did, we would be so much better off.

If you think some new owner is going to come in and lose 100 million dollars every single year to give you the team you feel you deserve, you are going to be sorely disappointed.

Every year statistically we have a 1/30 chance of winning a title and 1/15 chance of making the finals.
We had a 2/15 chance of getting as far as we did last year.

We were an expansion team. (89-95)
Then we struck gold with KG and had 8 straight playoff appearances capped with a WCF appearance. (96-04)
Then a long failed rebuild with some bad coach and GM hires and poor lottery luck. (05-13, the dark times)
Then we traded Love for Wiggins and drafted Lavine in '14 and won the lottery with KAT in '15 and started the rebuild that laid the foundation to a team that could finally compete for the playoffs.
And finally in 2020 we got lucky in the lottery again and drafted Ant and here we are.

Don't let the Glen hate get in the way of reason.
There are much worse things that can happen to a sports franchise than losing games. and like him or not Glen Taylor has been a bulwark against those things.

Glen hired the the people to make those decisions! Yes all those things are on Glen. What are we doing here?

[firedavidkahn]

I expect crow eating from all the glen apologists out there who believed a word that came out of his mouth. Good riddance

We should be careful what we wish for. Lore and AFraud aren't exactly stacked with liquid assets compared to other ownership in the NBA.

If Bloomberg ends up as the majority Owner, that will at least alleviate any financial concerns. After enduring 60+ years of Calvin Griffith and the Pohlad for the Twins, the last thing we need is a cost-cutter signing checks from a fan's perspective.

Now what becomes of Connelly?

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At the end of the day, I will take the "unknown" every single time over Glen Taylor. We KNOW what Taylor brings and all his antics. It led to the Wolves being the worst pro sports team out of all the NBA, NFL, MLB and NHL. He's god awful.

AROD/Lore could 100% end up the same but at least there's a chance they wont be.

[shrink]

I expect crow eating from all the glen apologists out there who believed a word that came out of his mouth. Good riddance

We should be careful what we wish for. Lore and AFraud aren't exactly stacked with liquid assets compared to other ownership in the NBA.

If Bloomberg ends up as the majority Owner, that will at least alleviate any financial concerns. After enduring 60+ years of Calvin Griffith and the Pohlad for the Twins, the last thing we need is a cost-cutter signing checks from a fan's perspective.

Now what becomes of Connelly?

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At the end of the day, I will take the "unknown" every single time over Glen Taylor. We KNOW what Taylor brings and all his antics. It led to the Wolves being the worst pro sports team out of all the NBA, NFL, MLB and NHL. He's god awful.

AROD/Lore could 100% end up the same but at least there's a chance they wont be.

The difference is that ARod and Lore could be substantially worse. Future franchise-crushing worse.

1. We know Taylor won’t move the team.
2. We know Taylor will pay lux taxes when we have a winner.
3. We know Taylor won’t over-ride his GM and lets him make basketball decisions, even ones he doesn’t agree with.

We don’t know any of these things for ARod and Lore, and there is plenty of evidence for all three that he will be worse than Taylor in these areas.

Finally, I would remind people that Taylor’s biggest (only?) flaw was the GMs he selected. He no longer does this, and the last two (Rosas and Connelly) were selected by an advisory group. It’s hard for me to see the danger of Glen, when he basically keeps the team in Minnesota, keeps his wallet open, and doesn’t make any basketball or hiring decisions. He’s just an ATM now.

I know some emotional fans want payback for the past, but they are risking the future of the entire franchise to get it.

[shrink]

Btw, I wanted to thank the posters (whatever your opinion) and the mods for postponing this discussion for the last few months, so we could come to the forum and enjoy the season. I know a lot of people wanted to talk about it, so thank you for your restraint.

[Baseline81]

The difference is that ARod and Lore could be substantially worse. Future franchise-crushing worse.

1. We know Taylor won’t move the team.
2. We know Taylor will pay lux taxes when we have a winner.
3. We know Taylor won’t over-ride his GM and lets him make basketball decisions, even ones he doesn’t agree with.

We don’t know any of these things for ARod and Lore, and there is plenty of evidence for all three that he will be worse than Taylor in these areas.

Finally, I would remind people that Taylor’s biggest (only?) flaw was the GMs he selected. He no longer does this, and the last two (Rosas and Connelly) were selected by an advisory group. It’s hard for me to see the danger of Glen, when he basically keeps the team in Minnesota, keeps his wallet open, and doesn’t make any basketball or hiring decisions. He’s just an ATM now.

I know some emotional fans want payback for the past, but they are risking the future of the entire franchise to get it.

We do not know this.

To this very day, we do not know who made the call to trade Towns. Was it Taylor saying I want out of the second apron? Or was it Connelly planning for a future centered solely around Edwards?

[firedavidkahn]

We should be careful what we wish for. Lore and AFraud aren't exactly stacked with liquid assets compared to other ownership in the NBA.

If Bloomberg ends up as the majority Owner, that will at least alleviate any financial concerns. After enduring 60+ years of Calvin Griffith and the Pohlad for the Twins, the last thing we need is a cost-cutter signing checks from a fan's perspective.

Now what becomes of Connelly?

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At the end of the day, I will take the "unknown" every single time over Glen Taylor. We KNOW what Taylor brings and all his antics. It led to the Wolves being the worst pro sports team out of all the NBA, NFL, MLB and NHL. He's god awful.

AROD/Lore could 100% end up the same but at least there's a chance they wont be.

The difference is that ARod and Lore could be substantially [u]worse[/u]. Future franchise-crushing worse.

1. We know Taylor won’t move the team.
2. We know Taylor will pay lux taxes when we have a winner.
3. We know Taylor won’t over-ride his GM and lets him make basketball decisions, even ones he doesn’t agree with.

We don’t know any of these things for ARod and Lore, and there is plenty of evidence for all three that he will be worse than Taylor in these areas.

Finally, I would remind people that Taylor’s biggest (only?) flaw was the GMs he selected. He no longer does this, and the last two (Rosas and Connelly) were selected by an advisory group. It’s hard for me to see the danger of Glen, when he basically keeps the team in Minnesota, keeps his wallet open, and doesn’t make any basketball or hiring decisions. He’s just an ATM now.

I know some emotional fans want payback for the past, but they are risking the future of the entire franchise to get it.

Have you forgotten this teams history?

We've been by far the biggest laughingstock of a franchise out of the 4 major pro sports teams throughout our history!

That is a direct result of Glen Taylor and all of his decisions.

We KNOW long term it's going to be more of the same with Taylor. So what if AROD/Lore fail and end up worse? Our "status" as a franchise will go from being the biggest pro sports embarrassment to...continuing to be the biggest pro sports embarrassment.

At least with AROD/Lore there is HOPE.

A large portion of this franchise suffers from Stockholm Syndrome. They've grown accustomed to Taylor's antics and cannot fathom that literally ANY other way might be better

[BlacJacMac]

We should be careful what we wish for. Lore and AFraud aren't exactly stacked with liquid assets compared to other ownership in the NBA.

If Bloomberg ends up as the majority Owner, that will at least alleviate any financial concerns. After enduring 60+ years of Calvin Griffith and the Pohlad for the Twins, the last thing we need is a cost-cutter signing checks from a fan's perspective.

Now what becomes of Connelly?

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At the end of the day, I will take the "unknown" every single time over Glen Taylor. We KNOW what Taylor brings and all his antics. It led to the Wolves being the worst pro sports team out of all the NBA, NFL, MLB and NHL. He's god awful.

AROD/Lore could 100% end up the same but at least there's a chance they wont be.

The difference is that ARod and Lore could be substantially worse. Future franchise-crushing worse.

1. We know Taylor won’t move the team.
2. We know Taylor will pay lux taxes when we have a winner.
3. We know Taylor won’t over-ride his GM and lets him make basketball decisions, even ones he doesn’t agree with.

We don’t know any of these things for ARod and Lore, and there is plenty of evidence for all three that he will be worse than Taylor in these areas.

Finally, I would remind people that Taylor’s biggest (only?) flaw was the GMs he selected. He no longer does this, and the last two (Rosas and Connelly) were selected by an advisory group. It’s hard for me to see the danger of Glen, when he basically keeps the team in Minnesota, keeps his wallet open, and doesn’t make any basketball or hiring decisions. He’s just an ATM now.

I know some emotional fans want payback for the past, but they are risking the future of the entire franchise to get it.

The problem with all of those IS the future. Taylor is 83 (and an old 83...) and I don't believe Becky or his kids have any interest in the club.

When Glen passes, its hard to not see the club being sold to the highest bidder.

[Klomp]

The problem with all of those IS the future. Taylor is 83 (and an old 83...) and I don't believe Becky or his kids have any interest in the club.

When Glen passes, its hard to not see the club being sold to the highest bidder.

This is exactly right.

[younggunsmn]

The problem with all of those IS the future. Taylor is 83 (and an old 83...) and I don't believe Becky or his kids have any interest in the club.

When Glen passes, its hard to not see the club being sold to the highest bidder.

This is exactly right.

And I will take that reset 100% over the Lore/ARod/Bloomberg clown show.
In Fact this is the outcome I much prefer.

[winforlose]

I have no idea if Arod and Lore have the money to run a tax team much less a first or second apron tax team. I know Glen has been terrible and honestly I am not capable of defending Glen as an owner. While I appreciate him not moving the team, I blame him for hiring the people who almost destroyed it. I fear both sides of this deal and I can only hope that whoever wins does right by the franchise at this critical moment. Ant, Naz, and Jaden is the most intriguing core we have had in franchise history. Naz and Jaden are flashing potential to be truly special, and Ant is flashing MVP caliber at 23. Whoever owns this team we are very pick limited, not a free agent hub, and in a tight spot financially. The right decisions need to be made and they need to be made soon. The biggest problem within that for me is a growing distrust of both the HC and GM. Finch has very real flaws that hold the team back, and TC seems short sighted and too willing to break eggs when people would rather enjoy the meal they already have rather than switch to an omelette.

[younggunsmn]

Glen hired the the people to make those decisions! Yes all those things are on Glen. What are we doing here?

No GM bats 100%, And he hired the people who did the good things too.
Flip and McHale found KG and turned us into a winner.
But McHale also made a bunch of poor decisions and the Joe Smith thing happened partly because McHale had a really poor grasp of the business/CBA side of being a GM.
He re-hired Flip who picked Towns when that wasnt a 100% slam dunk, but also picked Shabazz and Dieng over Giannis and Gobert.
He hired Rosas who picked Edwards when that pick was a tossup among 3 players and picked McDaniels in the late 1st.
Rosas also had an inexcusable boner for DeAngelo Russell and made that dumb trade.

Glen got talked into David Kahn, the one guy who was demonstrably awful, by Commisioner David Stern, and then Kahn hired Rambis. People like to forget that.
Every single year 2nd round picks get bought and sold at the draft.
That's not unique to us or that particular year, although those multiple trade downs were particularly weird.
Arod and Lore's handpicked guy TC did the exact same thing with a high 2nd rounder just last summer.

Is it Glen's fault we ended up with Christian Laettner instead of Shaq or Alonzo Mourning?
Is it his fault it took us 25 YEARS before we actually improved our draft position in the draft lottery?

Arod and Lore handpicked TC, who has promptly mortgaged the future 7 years out with their tacit approval, which looks like a preview to how they are going to run the franchise if they get control.

Nothing can wreck a franchise faster than impatience from new ownership and ownership meddling in drafting and trading.
Just look at what the Ishbias have done to Phoenix.
They're going to have to trade Durant for 25 cents on the dollar this summer and they somehow owe more picks and swaps than we do.

[Ethomasp31]

To say it gets worse then Glen is ridiculous. He has also been a cheap owner minus like 2 years out of 30. Under Glen the wolves were the losinginess franchise in professional sports. It literally doesn't get worse then that

Glen has never tried to move the team.
Glen has never tried to shake down the taxpayers for a new arena with the threat of moving the team.
Glen has never not been able to make payroll.
Glen has always had 80%+ control of the team and has never had to rely on minority owners for financing.
Glen has always spent enough money relative to our market size.

Be very careful what you wish for.
Grass is not always greener.
That's all I'm trying to say.

Also HE HAD THE WORST RECORD OF ANY SPORTS TEAM IN PROFESIONAL SPORTS!

What are you even talking about? You shouldn't just make up things that can be looked up...

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/worst-nba-record-last-30-years