Just brilliant team building

[Klomp]

I agree on Russell especially but you lost me at ball sharing.
TC traded KAT to bring in the PF version of Russell.
Pound the ball and play no defense.

And for all his flaws KAT went to the conference finals this year and was responsible for a couple of those wins with late game heroics.
The scorecard on that move is still way up in the air.

And for all his flaws Julius went to the conference finals this year and was responsible for a couple of those wins

[Klomp]

Rosas also inherited a sub 20 win team and a roster Thibs had shattered with terrible moves.

Rosas inherited a 36-win team actually, which he dropped down to a 19 and 23-win team in his first two seasons.

[younggunsmn]

Rosas also inherited a sub 20 win team and a roster Thibs had shattered with terrible moves.

Rosas inherited a 36-win team actually, which he dropped down to a 19 and 23-win team in his first two seasons.

Honestly I'd rather be the 19 win team than the 36 win team.

[Klomp]

Rosas also inherited a sub 20 win team and a roster Thibs had shattered with terrible moves.

Rosas inherited a 36-win team actually, which he dropped down to a 19 and 23-win team in his first two seasons.

Honestly I'd rather be the 19 win team than the 36 win team.

That's what we thought in the Kahn years too. Sorry, I don't want to live through that again...

[younggunsmn]

Rosas inherited a 36-win team actually, which he dropped down to a 19 and 23-win team in his first two seasons.

Honestly I'd rather be the 19 win team than the 36 win team.

That's what we thought in the Kahn years too. Sorry, I don't want to live through that again...

Kahn years we so bad primarily because we blew so many draft picks on terrible players and made so many awful personnel decisions.
If someone had talked Kahn into Steph Curry he might still be around. And thats scary.

Other than drafting Ant and Jaden, getting something good for the trash Thibs got for Jimmy Butler was probably his best move.
Covington and Saric sucked but he got Beasley Vando and the pick that became Jaden (after a trade down) for Covington and went from 12 to 5 for the bum Saric but drafted the wrong player there.

i would rather bottom out than have a team where Jeff Teague, Andrew Wiggins, and Robert Covington are all highly paid and your 2nd through 4th best players. yuck. What was Thibs thinking.

[shrink]

You have a top coach and front office that have established a winning positive culture, getting rid of the stink of the Taylor led Wolves.

Just brilliant work by Conley, and gotta give Lore and Arod a lot of credit. They have been huge at changing the culture.

Sorry, this was Rosas and Taylor.

Finch, Ant, Jaden and Naz were all brought in before Connelly, ARod and Lore.

Why does this continue to matter so much? The Warriors owner wasn't around when Curry was drafted, so does that make all of their team success invalid as a result?

We are talking about the present day. The fact that they came in and took over a losing culture and developed a winning one should be celebrated.

Yes, Gersson Rosas hired Chris Finch. He also hired Ryan Saunders. Same thing with Glen Taylor.

Guest was giving credit to Connelly, and for some reason, ARod and Lore, for the things he liked about the current team, while blaming Taylor. The current team is a manifestation of Rosas - all Connelly did was not get rid of people (and hell, Connelly WAS going to get rid of Naz before his 6MOY season if Taylor hadn’t stepped in!).

I’m not saying Connelly has done a bad job since then, just that the things guest mentioned were not because of Connelly.

[dschroeder01]

Sorry, this was Rosas and Taylor.

Finch, Ant, Jaden and Naz were all brought in before Connelly, ARod and Lore.

Why does this continue to matter so much? The Warriors owner wasn't around when Curry was drafted, so does that make all of their team success invalid as a result?

We are talking about the present day. The fact that they came in and took over a losing culture and developed a winning one should be celebrated.

Yes, Gersson Rosas hired Chris Finch. He also hired Ryan Saunders. Same thing with Glen Taylor.

Guest was giving credit to Connelly, and for some reason, ARod and Lore, for the things he liked about the current team, while blaming Taylor. The current team is a manifestation of Rosas - all Connelly did was not get rid of people (and hell, Connelly WAS going to get rid of Naz before his 6MOY season if Taylor hadn’t stepped in!).

I’m not saying Connelly has done a bad job since then, just that the things guest mentioned were not because of Connelly.

If one is crediting Connelly, then LoRod absolutely should get credit as Connelly isn't here without them right?

Is your contention that there wasn't a stink to the Taylor era of Wolves ownership? As a whole, it's one of the worst runs of ownership in professional sports. Ending with a childish lurch to claw back a bad decision was a fitting end. Even with the quick contrast to Taylor though, the initial post was far more celebrating the current state of the Wolves rather than blaming Taylor.

One can poo poo culture as far as how much it translates to winning, but I'm not sure anyone could credibly make the case that it's not better in the organization now than it was during Taylor's run. Rosas, the guy being put on a pedestal in this discussion, is gone because he fostered awful culture in the FO.

No doubt that Rosas had a huge hand in building the base of the team, but to call it his manifestation is a leap. 5 of the 8 rotation guys on the team were acquired by Connelly.

I guess the real questions are do you like where the team is at and who do you want steering the ship going forward?

[KGdaBom]

Why does this continue to matter so much? The Warriors owner wasn't around when Curry was drafted, so does that make all of their team success invalid as a result?

We are talking about the present day. The fact that they came in and took over a losing culture and developed a winning one should be celebrated.

Yes, Gersson Rosas hired Chris Finch. He also hired Ryan Saunders. Same thing with Glen Taylor.

Guest was giving credit to Connelly, and for some reason, ARod and Lore, for the things he liked about the current team, while blaming Taylor. The current team is a manifestation of Rosas - all Connelly did was not get rid of people (and hell, Connelly WAS going to get rid of Naz before his 6MOY season if Taylor hadn’t stepped in!).

I’m not saying Connelly has done a bad job since then, just that the things guest mentioned were not because of Connelly.

If one is crediting Connelly, then LoRod absolutely should get credit as Connelly isn't here without them right?

Is your contention that there wasn't a stink to the Taylor era of Wolves ownership? As a whole, it's one of the worst runs of ownership in professional sports. Ending with a childish lurch to claw back a bad decision was a fitting end. Even with the quick contrast to Taylor though, the initial post was far more celebrating the current state of the Wolves rather than blaming Taylor.

One can poo poo culture as far as how much it translates to winning, but I'm not sure anyone could credibly make the case that it's not better in the organization now than it was during Taylor's run. Rosas, the guy being put on a pedestal in this discussion, is gone because he fostered awful culture in the FO.

No doubt that Rosas had a huge hand in building the base of the team, but to call it his manifestation is a leap. 5 of the 8 rotation guys on the team were acquired by Connelly.

I guess the real questions are do you like where the team is at and who do you want steering the ship going forward?

I have some reservations about Connelly, but that said he is the man I want steering the ship. I would love it if Lore and A Rod stayed out of his way and just rubber stamped everything Connelly wants to do.

[Slim Tubby]

Why does this continue to matter so much? The Warriors owner wasn't around when Curry was drafted, so does that make all of their team success invalid as a result?

We are talking about the present day. The fact that they came in and took over a losing culture and developed a winning one should be celebrated.

Yes, Gersson Rosas hired Chris Finch. He also hired Ryan Saunders. Same thing with Glen Taylor.

Guest was giving credit to Connelly, and for some reason, ARod and Lore, for the things he liked about the current team, while blaming Taylor. The current team is a manifestation of Rosas - all Connelly did was not get rid of people (and hell, Connelly WAS going to get rid of Naz before his 6MOY season if Taylor hadn’t stepped in!).

I’m not saying Connelly has done a bad job since then, just that the things guest mentioned were not because of Connelly.

If one is crediting Connelly, then LoRod absolutely should get credit as Connelly isn't here without them right?

Is your contention that there wasn't a stink to the Taylor era of Wolves ownership? As a whole, it's one of the worst runs of ownership in professional sports. Ending with a childish lurch to claw back a bad decision was a fitting end. Even with the quick contrast to Taylor though, the initial post was far more celebrating the current state of the Wolves rather than blaming Taylor.

One can poo poo culture as far as how much it translates to winning, but I'm not sure anyone could credibly make the case that it's not better in the organization now than it was during Taylor's run. Rosas, the guy being put on a pedestal in this discussion, is gone because he fostered awful culture in the FO.

No doubt that Rosas had a huge hand in building the base of the team, but to call it his manifestation is a leap. 5 of the 8 rotation guys on the team were acquired by Connelly.

I guess the real questions are do you like where the team is at and who do you want steering the ship going forward?

Tremendous post...enjoyed the objectivity.

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[KGdaBom]

Lore and A Roid are the owners now. I've got to support them. Go Lore and A Roid.

[winforlose]

You have your young core of proven players under 25 locked up for the long-term who all get along in NAZ-Jaden-Ant

You have plenty of young players who show promise in Dilly- Clark- TSJ

You drafted a potential stud center who has time to develop learning under Rudy

If everything kinda stays the same, they should have a lot of cap space in 2 years

You have a top coach and front office that have established a winning positive culture, getting rid of the stink of the Taylor led Wolves.

Just brilliant work by Conley, and gotta give Lore and Arod a lot of credit. They have been huge at changing the culture.

I would only put the Thunder ahead of the Wolves as far as best team situation

Let’s start with the young core

Dilly: was demanding more minutes and publicly criticizing the coach. Also he sucked for most of the season.

Minott: started the season in the rotation, got his minutes cut when playing well and started struggling with inconsistent and ill defined minutes/role. Had a falling out with the coach and ended up tweeting from the bench.

Garza: More mascot than player, cannot defend at an NBA level. Likely not on the team.

Miller: Finch would rather play the mascot Garza than give Miller even a single a chance to learn or demonstrate his abilities to the fans.

Clark: A defensive specialist who would make an excellent backup small forward. Unfortunately he is unsized and only has a 6’9 wingspan. JO has a wingspan over 7 feet. Clark also saw his offense struggle down the stretch. A glorified smaller Josh Okogie until he proves he can play both ways consistently.

TSJ: steal of the draft and looks promising.

JB and RZ: projects that could easily bust. Don’t count your chickens.

Speaking to the vets. We just very publicly tried to trade Rudy and DDV. This is the same team where Randle and Rudy got into a… disagreement in Toronto and threw a game. Where Ant came out and said no one can talk to anyone and everyone is a front runner. This is the same team that won 49 games when they should have won 59 or more. Very talented, but not balanced and not optimizing each other.

Chris Finch is driving a sports car like a mini van. It was obvious we had the inside track on the WCF if we avoided OKC (pretty easy against LAL and GSW.) It was also obvious our lack of schemes and balance doomed us against a team that had those things. MD makes Finch look like an immature child. You don’t beat great teams with chaos, you beat them with systematic order.

[KGdaBom]

You have your young core of proven players under 25 locked up for the long-term who all get along in NAZ-Jaden-Ant

You have plenty of young players who show promise in Dilly- Clark- TSJ

You drafted a potential stud center who has time to develop learning under Rudy

If everything kinda stays the same, they should have a lot of cap space in 2 years

You have a top coach and front office that have established a winning positive culture, getting rid of the stink of the Taylor led Wolves.

Just brilliant work by Conley, and gotta give Lore and Arod a lot of credit. They have been huge at changing the culture.

I would only put the Thunder ahead of the Wolves as far as best team situation

Let’s start with the young core

Dilly: was demanding more minutes and publicly criticizing the coach. Also he sucked for most of the season.

Minott: started the season in the rotation, got his minutes cut when playing well and started struggling with inconsistent and ill defined minutes/role. Had a falling out with the coach and ended up tweeting from the bench.

Garza: More mascot than player, cannot defend at an NBA level. Likely not on the team.

Miller: Finch would rather play the mascot Garza than give Miller even a single a chance to learn or demonstrate his abilities to the fans.

Clark: A defensive specialist who would make an excellent backup small forward. Unfortunately he is unsized and only has a 6’9 wingspan. JO has a wingspan over 7 feet. Clark also saw his offense struggle down the stretch. A glorified smaller Josh Okogie until he proves he can play both ways consistently.

TSJ: steal of the draft and looks promising.

JB and RZ: projects that could easily bust. Don’t count your chickens.

Speaking to the vets. We just very publicly tried to trade Rudy and DDV. This is the same team where Randle and Rudy got into a… disagreement in Toronto and threw a game. Where Ant came out and said no one can talk to anyone and everyone is a front runner. This is the same team that won 49 games when they should have won 59 or more. Very talented, but not balanced and not optimizing each other.

Chris Finch is driving a sports car like a mini van. It was obvious we had the inside track on the WCF if we avoided GSW. It was also obvious our lack of schemes and balance doomed us against a team that has those things. MD makes Finch look like an immature child. You don’t beat great teams with chaos, you beat them with systematic order.

I think Joan of Arc and The Donk of Dunk are far less likely to bust then you think. Guys that tall almost always tend to get their 15 minutes of fame at the very least and these young, huge, physically gifted men have a great chance to become useful to very good.

[TimberKat]

I think the better evaluation of Connelly is after this year. He made some bold moves with Walker, Gobert, Towns, Naz, and Joan. Not sure if his small player moves will pan out. Between Dilly, TSJ, and Clark, two has to turn into rotation players. Let's see what the Randle trade turn into.

[BlacJacMac]

Speaking to the vets. We just very publicly tried to trade Rudy and DDV.

If we had tried to trade Rudy, Durant would be on our team.

The Rudy/DDV/17/Dilly or TSJ rumor was clearly coming from Phoenix to try to get some competition brewing.

I doubt we offered much more than the "KAT" package.

[winforlose]

Speaking to the vets. We just very publicly tried to trade Rudy and DDV.

If we had tried to trade Rudy, Durant would be on our team.

The Rudy/DDV/17/Dilly or TSJ rumor was clearly coming from Phoenix to try to get some competition brewing.

I doubt we offered much more than the "KAT" package.

You doubt it, but public reporting is what Rudy and DDV saw. DDV especially will be pissed as he didn’t want to be a Wolf in the first place. Nothing helps team vibes like being a major contender in a multiplayer trade.

[Note30]

A team that has peaked so far with 38 wins despite having the supposed next GOAT?

He's played like a whole 5 games in his career with another All-Star quality player.

They haven't done anything yet but most teams in the league would trade places with their position in about 5 seconds.

Not the Wolves

I can almost guarantee the Spurs win another chip before we do barring something like Wemby retiring at 25 due to health issues.

This whole thread is **** stupid, why are we beating a dead horse?

[shrink]

Why does this continue to matter so much? The Warriors owner wasn't around when Curry was drafted, so does that make all of their team success invalid as a result?

We are talking about the present day. The fact that they came in and took over a losing culture and developed a winning one should be celebrated.

Yes, Gersson Rosas hired Chris Finch. He also hired Ryan Saunders. Same thing with Glen Taylor.

Guest was giving credit to Connelly, and for some reason, ARod and Lore, for the things he liked about the current team, while blaming Taylor. The current team is a manifestation of Rosas - all Connelly did was not get rid of people (and hell, Connelly WAS going to get rid of Naz before his 6MOY season if Taylor hadn’t stepped in!).

I’m not saying Connelly has done a bad job since then, just that the things guest mentioned were not because of Connelly.

If one is crediting Connelly, then LoRod absolutely should get credit as Connelly isn't here without them right?

Then if you’re not hypocrite, Taylor should absolutely get credit for the Rosas acquisitions of Finch, Ant, Jaden and Naz, right?

Like I said, guest specifically gave Connelly, AROD and Lore credit for the things Rosas did, the core of the team-building he is happy about right now. He talked about our three core players under 25. He didn’t mention Connelly acquisitions Gobert, Randle or DDV. He also wasn’t blasting Taylor for twenty years of failure, he was talking about our current team. You inserted those two standards in yourself, perhaps by not reading his post, or you just felt emotional about it?

Is it just too hard to give credit to people we don’t like for their successes, instead of falsely giving credit to people that we DO like that had nothing to do with it?

[A1FromDay1]

He's played like a whole 5 games in his career with another All-Star quality player.

They haven't done anything yet but most teams in the league would trade places with their position in about 5 seconds.

Not the Wolves

I can almost guarantee the Spurs win another chip before we do barring something like Wemby retiring at 25 due to health issues.

This whole thread is **** stupid, why are we beating a dead horse?

I can almost guarantee the Spurs never win anything again, ever.

[dschroeder01]

Then if you’re not hypocrite, Taylor should absolutely get credit for the Rosas acquisitions of Finch, Ant, Jaden and Naz, right?

Sure. Glen does gets the same level of credit for the good and bad of Rosas just as LoRod will for Connelly's successes and failures. That's not the point that I was making though. You phrased your response in a condescending way like why would someone credit LoRod for anything when there's really no way they shouldn't have credit when we pretty much know Connelly wouldn't have even been considered if they weren't in the picture.

Like I said, guest specifically gave Connelly, AROD and Lore credit for the things Rosas did, the core of the team-building he is happy about right now. He talked about our three core players under 25. He didn’t mention Connelly acquisitions Gobert, Randle or DDV. He also wasn’t blasting Taylor for twenty years of failure, he was talking about our current team. You inserted those two standards in yourself, perhaps by not reading his post, or you just felt emotional about it?

Yes, he was writing about the current team, but to me it was clearly implied that was in contrast to what we've had in the past. Writing "You have a top coach and front office that have established a winning positive culture, getting rid of the stink of the Taylor led Wolves." is specifically calling out the difference of the current culture compared to the culture previously curated by Taylor. The Taylor culture would absolutely include everything he had done to get to that point which is why I referenced Taylor's long run.

Is it just too hard to give credit to people we don’t like for their successes, instead of falsely giving credit to people that we DO like that had nothing to do with it?

Congrats. You pointed out the inaccuracies in the original author. If you had left it at that like in your original post that would have been good. I was just responding to your post where you weren't being logical or were inaccurate. You wrote that the team was a manifestation of Rosas and that all Connelly did was "not get rid of people." That's why I brought up 5 of 8 rotation guys. Rosas dealt Connelly a good hand with Ant, Jaden, and Naz along with Finch, but keeping them and putting everything else around them is all Connelly so hard to say it's a manifestation of Rosas. It rings especially true for this franchise as Taylor also presided over the selection of KG and subsequent failure to leverage that into more than just 1 WCF. Connelly didn't buy the engine, but in 3 years he's totally equipped the car and driven us somewhere we've never been. I think that's cause for positivity.

[guest81]

Sorry, this was Rosas and Taylor.

Finch, Ant, Jaden and Naz were all brought in before Connelly, ARod and Lore.

Why does this continue to matter so much? The Warriors owner wasn't around when Curry was drafted, so does that make all of their team success invalid as a result?

We are talking about the present day. The fact that they came in and took over a losing culture and developed a winning one should be celebrated.

Yes, Gersson Rosas hired Chris Finch. He also hired Ryan Saunders. Same thing with Glen Taylor.

Guest was giving credit to Connelly, and for some reason, ARod and Lore, for the things he liked about the current team, while blaming Taylor. The current team is a manifestation of Rosas - all Connelly did was not get rid of people (and hell, Connelly WAS going to get rid of Naz before his 6MOY season if Taylor hadn’t stepped in!).

I’m not saying Connelly has done a bad job since then, just that the things guest mentioned were not because of Connelly.

The front office under Rosas was a terrible culture. He yelled at staff, didn't talk to his assistant GM. He banged some chick at the office. Was the reason that he was fired. Also Glen was unaware of any of it going on like usual and it took Lore to come in and clean it up. So yes Lore ARod and Connelly get credit for the culture