Ban Howard Mass: The new draft thread

[deeney0]

Telfair is a bench player. A decent backup, but I think its safe to say that at this point in his career, he's not going to ever be the lead guard for a good playoff team.

At this point in his career, the Wolves aren't asking him to be. He's younger than Chris Paul and Deron Williams. Not that I wouldn't draft Rose because Telfair is here (although I think you'd be crazy to take him over Beasley) but don't write Bassy off yet.

Right now, I think the gap between Beasley and Rose is larger than the gap between Rose and the rest of the pack - which, for me, is Gordon, Mayo, Greene and the three centers. I'm completely unimpressed with Bayless thus far, I guess I've just seen the wrong games. Jordan is in the pack too if he declares, but I don't see how he can at this point. I don't know enough about the Euros to say whether they should be included or not.

[Klomp]

Telfair was simply a throw-in for the KG trade.

Wasn't Liriano a throw-in in the Pierzynski deal?

[TheProdigy]

14.) Griffin ( Should be higher on the list, but I have not seen enough to know if he is a legit future stud at the 5 or a more physical Spencer Hawes. he needs a jumper and strenght. Another year and he is top3)

He's nothing at all like Spencer Hawes, you definitely should see him play because he's got some game. He'll also play the 4 in the NBA, not the 5.

Here's a brief breakdown: First thing you notice when watching him is that he is very athletic. He is fast up and down the court, and is an alley-oop waiting to happen. He's also very strong with room to grow. He was measured at 6'9 and 245 coming out of high school. He's got great handles and finds the open cutter when he gets double teamed. In other words, has a high bball IQ for his age.

The only weaknesses I've seen from him thus far are his lack of shot blocks, and the limited range on his jump shot.

There isn't too much footage of his freshman year on youtube, but here's what I've found. Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIU4pzrv_IU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAIAlvkrjYg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se7S367ruzU
Don't bother watching past the one minute mark in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ugGOjUwlCY

I realize these are mostly dunks, but at least you get an idea of the athleticism he possesses. I guess you'll just have to watch him live to see what he's all about.

[TheProdigy]

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At this point in his career, the Wolves aren't asking him to be. He's younger than Chris Paul and Deron Williams.

It's funny you bring up their ages. I found out a little while ago that Chris Paul is only 4 days older than Bassy. It's scary how good Chris Paul may become.

[TheFranchise21]

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Wasn't Liriano a throw-in in the Pierzynski deal?

Apples to oranges my friend. Liriano was hurt on a regular basis and the Giants grew tired of waiting for him to heal. He had no MLB exposure.

Telfair is a fairly healthy player who has 4 years of NBA experience and has shown nothing that points to him being a long term starter. I like what he's done this year and I think he would be a good backup PG, but he is not our long term solution at PG.

[wolves_fan_82au]

He's nothing like Spencer Hawes

I actually meant that in a good way. What I am trying to say is that I do not know if Griffin will be a good offensive piece or if he could be an overall-well rounded stud. Hawes has great footwork and a high BBIQ for his age as well. Griffin has many of the same moves as Hawes. Hawes has a much better jumper an High post game, he is also taller, but Griffin is more athletic. It was more of a "will be be a good piece, or a stud" Many people compare Griffin to Boozer, but Boozer is much stronger and uses his jumper very well. Without his jumper he would struggle. So Griffin needs that jumper very very bad. Also for me I would be unsure if he could play alongside Al. Part of that is the jumper, part is projecting which position he defends.

I've never heard anything about Rose not being smart enough or lacking the mental capacity to play PG, I don't know why you're bringing it up now.

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[wolves_fan_82au]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nathan-Jawai-1404/

theres a 10 min highlight tape on Jawai there

Jawai is still 29th pick at draft express

but nbadraft.net have him listed at 42nd pick

[Worm Guts]

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I strongly disagree here. I would compare Bassy to Gerald Wallace. High school guys (wallace did play a year at bama, but was a high school prodigy) that need time to get adjusted and find a home. Kid is still a kid for heaven sakes. He has shown plenty, plenty to be considered a possible starter in the league. His skill set as it is right now would easily be one of the top college prospects coming out. With the improvements Bassy has shown, and the fact that we have had a limited look at Foye as a pg I would want the team to make a move in the draft for a 3 or a 5 and let Bassy and foye try the point next year. Give them a full summer and year with the team to develop. If at the end of the year Foye is a 2 and Bassy is a back-up then draft Ricky Rubio. He is more of a pure pg leader that you desire then Rose anyway. He is not the athlete, but athletic ability at the PG is overrated. If Rubio and Rose were both in this draft I would grab Rubio without thinking twice.

Who knows if we'll have the opportunity to draft Rubio next, I think it's silly to pass on the consensus 2nd best player in the draft because we might have the opportunity to draft someone at the same position next year. I've also read that there might be problems with Rubio's contract.

[revprodeji]

I have not heard anything about Rubio's contract.

What I am saying is that give Bassy/Foye a chance for the year to grow and play the point. Right now those guys are still young and growing. Get a player at a bigger need/better impact. Ala 3 or 5.

My logic is if bassy/foye die at the pg then we will be in contention for the top pick again. We also have 2 other 1st rd picks that could be used to trade up.

btw, TF21 said Bassy was a throw-in. if that is the case why was he offered a contract extention?

http://hornetts.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ ... minnesota/

which also makes me wonder if Gomes was offered one or not.

[Worm Guts]

I have not heard anything about Rubio's contract.

Jon G wrote somethin about it on the draft board a couple months ago. I don't remember specifics but it sounds like it could take a couple of years to get him over here

What I am saying is that give Bassy/Foye a chance for the year to grow and play the point. Right now those guys are still young and growing. Get a player at a bigger need/better impact. Ala 3 or 5.

Foye can get minutes playing shooting guard/backup point. I like Bassy but not nearly enough to pass up on a great talent like Rose (assuming Beasley's off the board).

My logic is if bassy/foye die at the pg then we will be in contention for the top pick again. We also have 2 other 1st rd picks that could be used to trade up.

It will take lottery luck to get Rose or Rubio. If the Wolves are lucky enough to be in position to draft Rose, they have to take the opportunity. They can't take a worse player and count on more luck next year.

[revprodeji]

If I was convinced that Rose could play on the Paul/Williams level I would agree with you. I just do not see it yet. PG's take more time.

[AQuintus]

I have not heard anything about Rubio's contract.

Jon G wrote somethin about it on the draft board a couple months ago. I don't remember specifics but it sounds like it could take a couple of years to get him over here

I'm pretty sure that he's signed through either 2010 or 2011 with a, I think, a 10 million dollar buyout. There's a good chance that I'm wrong, though, so someone else should probably look it up as well to confirm or deny.

[C.lupus]

Yeah, I think you are right. He seems to be signed through 2011 with a $10 m buyout. It was discussed a while back in the draft board:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic. ... c&start=72

[revprodeji]

That is a good thing. It would make teams hesistant to draft him. Personally, I would draft him once he is elligable and wait it out.

but that is next year at the earliest.

[TheFranchise21]

What I am saying is that give Bassy/Foye a chance for the year to grow and play the point. Right now those guys are still young and growing. Get a player at a bigger need/better impact. Ala 3 or 5.

Sebastian has had all year so far to show what he can do running the offense.

My logic is if bassy/foye die at the pg then we will be in contention for the top pick again. We also have 2 other 1st rd picks that could be used to trade up.

rev, its not logical to let these two play out next year and find out they can't cut it at PG. There are other factors you have to consider like the fan base. Taylor needs to sell tickets to keep the franchise afloat. PG is probably the most important position in basketball. The PG play has a great impact on the success of the team. Nobody goes to the games now, I can only imagine how many tickets they'll have to give away next year when the team is one of the bottom 3 teams in the league. We are definitely in rebuilding mode but rebuilding should only have 1-1.5 years max of absolute sucking, and then you should be in the playoffs by year 3. If this team is in contention for the top pick next year, there is little chance of us making the playoffs in year 3.

btw, TF21 said Bassy was a throw-in. if that is the case why was he offered a contract extention?

Who said throw-ins can't get contract offers? I think you're overestimating the significance of a contract offer. Who knows? They could've low-balled him.

[deeney0]

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Sebastian has had all year so far to show what he can do running the offense.

And I for one have been impressed with how he's handled it in 2008, and I've especially enjoyed seeing the way the Bassy/Foye/McCants rotation has worked over the last two games.

[karch34]

I've been impressed with Telfair's running of the offense as well. As we get closer to draft day we'll know a lot more if Telfair and Foye can handle PG and if getting another PG is a luxury or necessity.

If Rose is a can't miss prospect it would be hard to pass him up. I'm not sure if he is. I like him, but when CP3 was at Wake Forest you pretty much knew he was can't miss. Same as Kidd when he was at Cal. Deron Williams was a little more of a question for me as he was on a pretty deep team, so hard to know if he was just a good player on a great team or a great player on a great team.

I'm starting to really like the idea of Beasley though. He could also make whomever is playing PG look even better. Our PG doesn't have to be a big time scorer if we had consistent scoring at the 2-4.

Good points all around, I'm just not ready to say who I covet yet.

[andyhop]

That is a good thing. It would make teams hesistant to draft him. Personally, I would draft him once he is elligable and wait it out.

but that is next year at the earliest.

If Rubio enters the draft next year it will be because he is going to buy himself out of his deal and come over straight away.

I really want to see Spain take him to the Olympics this year and see him at the top international level, that would help give a good read on where he is at this stage of his career.

[drummerrob26]

I personally am in the Derek Rose camp for our first pick. I think it would be nice to be able to keep telfair draft Rose and move Foye to the Shooting Guard. As other people have said McCants can be that Manu type of 6th man. Foye also talked in the last game about how he likes playing with telfair because he gets bored at point guard. He likes to take the shots, not set up others for their shots. This year we take Rose and hopefully we find a way to trade up in the late first round and take a nice center. My hope is that Ratliff has a great end to the season and would work as a great veteran leader we can sign maybe for one more year at a low price. He would be able to mentor and help out a guy like Devon Hardin or another Center type prospect we can mold in to the center of our future. So we see a starting lineup of Telfair, Foye, Brewer/Gomes, Jefferson, and Ratliff. Off the bench you have a secondary lineup of Rose, Mccants, brewer/Gomes, Smith, Hardin. I think that could be a great group for the future. Lately Smith and McCants have been a great combo and Mccants has really improved on his passing. This is contrary to what TNT and the slam dunk announcers want you to believe.

The last thing I looked at was some mock drafts and I have seen one name that I am really not familiar with in terms of centers that could be available for us later in the draft. Can someone tell me what they know about this player :
Jason Thompson PF/C
21 years old; 6'10"; 235 lbs.
Rider, Senior

[revprodeji]

The problem with the rotation you have (ROse/Bassy pg--FOye/Shad SG) is a matter of minutes. Most good guard rotations are 3 players with 1 scrap for minutes. If we wanted to push tempo and press on defense we could justify giving the guys less minutes. Maybe 30 per starter and 18 for each bench guy? More likely a starter will get 34 which leaves 14 for a bench guy. Likely 1 bench guy will get 20 so the other gets 10. Bassy's agent sees this as a scenario and leaves this summer. Also, even if Foye does not project as a pg, do we project him as being a full time defensive-capable sg? I think a better situation is to let Foye grow into his pg spot. Set up a 3 man rotation with Shad/FOye/Bassy (foye hits both spots) Draft Beasley. Allow a line up with Brewer sometimes at the 2 if you want to go big. Beasley can play the 4 or the 3 and if he keeps growing who knows.

Anyway, the ROse idea is good for other reasons, but having a successful 4 man guard rotation in the league is almost impossible. "manu" plays almost 30min a game.

Thompson is a late 1st round/early second projection. He is a senior, but only 21

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jason-Thompson-594/

very good write up on him. I see him as similar to C. Frye. He is a player that would be on my list come our early 2nd rd picks. I do not see him as more then a back-up, but with his skill set he would fit well with Al and Cookie at the 5 spot.