Telfair unlikely to stay?

funkatron101 · Post #21 » by **funkatron101** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 4:17 pm

wolves_fan_82au wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
who said we will take beasley at 1 and i dont think we will get it anyway u have to be really lucky which our team isnt

Virtually every mock draft has Beasley at #1. I said IF we get #1 and take Beasley, I think it would be dumb to let Telfair go.

I don't think there is a whole lot of room to argue that

Post #22 » by **Worm Guts** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 4:20 pm

That it would be dumb to let Telfair go if we draft Beasley? There's plenty of room to argue that, especially if he wants more than a 1 year contract.

Cyborg21 · Post #23 » by **Cyborg21** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 6:04 pm

nooooooo please sign bassy

Post #24 » by **revprodeji** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 6:13 pm

Guys, just a rumor from a less than source. No offense to the OP, it is just so weird.

Moving stuff back to NY could just be where he wants to spend the summer. If it was because he did not think he would be staying in MN the logically thing would be to wait til the offseason, find where you are going and move your stuff there.

Personally, unless we are eyeing a guard there is no reason to ditch Bassy. I would rather keep Bassy and eye a 5 or 3.

Post #25 » by **Worm Guts** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 6:38 pm

This thread makes it painfully obvious that we become too attached to these guys. Keeping him or letting him go isn't going to make a big difference in the future of this franchise.

MN Die Hard · Post #26 » by **MN Die Hard** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 6:39 pm

I was thinking the same thing when I read the Kirk Snyder thread...

Post #27 » by **revprodeji** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 6:41 pm

Snyder is a bit roll player. Bassy was one of the highest pg prospects out of high school and now at 22 seems to have put it together and is growing as a legit starting pg. If not a very good 6th man pg. That is why i would not want him to go. Give him a 2 year deal and see what happens.

Post #28 » by **Worm Guts** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 6:52 pm

He gets 30+ minutes a game and doesn't average double digits in scoring. In 4 years in the NBA his shooting percentage has not gone up and he plays poor defense.
On the bright side he's only 22 and has improved his assists and assist/turnover ratio.
Right now he's a bad starting point guard or an OK backup. If he improves on his shooting and defense he has a chance to become a good one, but he hasn't improved on those areas during 4 years and I'm not sure why I should expect him to now.

JR Rider · Post #29 » by **JR Rider** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 8:22 pm

the core is looking like Al, Randy, Corey, Rashad, Smith and Ryan Gomes

http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/tickets ... _2008.html

karch34 · Post #30 » by **karch34** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 9:09 pm

revprodeji wrote:Snyder is a bit roll player. Bassy was one of the highest pg prospects out of high school and now at 22 seems to have put it together and is growing as a legit starting pg. If not a very good 6th man pg. That is why i would not want him to go. Give him a 2 year deal and see what happens.

Agree. I think his passing and game management is there, he just needs the jumpshot. And you're correct it is less than a rumor. It was just a comment he made to a friend of mine on his feelings, management could have a totally different opinion of the situation.

I will agree with Worm Guts that we can't become to attached to some of these young guys. I like the youngsters but if there's a way to significantly improve the positions I'd say all of Bassy, Foye, McCants, Brewer, Gomes, and Smith are fair game. What the improvement would be is anyone's guess.

Krapinsky · Post #31 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 9:58 pm

For those who will be Telfair-lorn if he leavs.

DJ Augustin = Telfair w/ a jumpshot?

Post #32 » by **revprodeji** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 5:04 am

Augustin does not have the feel of Bassy, nor will he slip to our pick in the 2nd. I like Augustin, but I like Bassy.

GopherIt! · Post #33 » by **GopherIt!** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 10:30 am

He gets 30+ minutes a game and doesn't average double digits in scoring. In 4 years in the NBA his shooting percentage has not gone up and he plays poor defense. On the bright side he's only 22 and has improved his assists and assist/turnover ratio. Right now he's a bad starting point guard or an OK backup. If he improves on his shooting and defense he has a chance to become a good one, but he hasn't improved on those areas during 4 years and I'm not sure why I should expect him to now.

It's a tricky read. Some guys that turn into quality PGs seem to take a while to develop their game. Chauncey Billups shot .374, .386 & .377 his first three years in the league and had poor assist totals for something like his first six seasons. Terrell Brandon didn't really come into his own until his fifth season. While I'm certainly not comparing Bassy to these guys, developing a PG can sometimes be a long and painful process. Hopefully we have not been developing a point guard for somebody else.

Post #34 » by **Worm Guts** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 5:20 pm

GopherIt! wrote:
He gets 30+ minutes a game and doesn't average double digits in scoring. In 4 years in the NBA his shooting percentage has not gone up and he plays poor defense. On the bright side he's only 22 and has improved his assists and assist/turnover ratio. Right now he's a bad starting point guard or an OK backup. If he improves on his shooting and defense he has a chance to become a good one, but he hasn't improved on those areas during 4 years and I'm not sure why I should expect him to now.

It's a tricky read. Some guys that turn into quality PGs seem to take a while to develop their game. Chauncey Billups shot .374, .386 & .377 his first three years in the league and had poor assist totals for something like his first six seasons. Terrell Brandon didn't really come into his own until his fifth season. While I'm certainly not comparing Bassy to these guys, developing a PG can sometimes be a long and painful process. Hopefully we have not been developing a point guard for somebody else.

How long are you willing to wait for him to develop? Like I've said before I'd be willing to offer him a one year contract but overall I'd rather use our cap space on someone we know is good instead of someone we hope will be good someday.

deeney0 · Post #35 » by **deeney0** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 5:46 pm

Almost, perhaps more, concerning is Bassy's lack of getting to the line. He averages a free throw attempt every 18.4 minutes. For comparison: Chauncey every 5.4 minutes, Kevin Martin every 4.0 minutes, Nash every 10.7 minutes, Cassell every 8.2 minutes, Chris Paul every 8.2 minutes, Kirk Hinrich every 15.5 minutes, Jarrett Jack every 8.9 minutes, Mo Williams every 12.6 minutes, Beno Udrih every 15.2 minutes, hell Ryan Gomes every 11.0 minutes.

Chauncey might've shot like Bassy his first three years, but he's always gotten to the line. He was at 7.2, 10.7, and 8.7 minutes/FTA his first three years.

funkatron101 · Post #36 » by **funkatron101** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 6:00 pm

MN Die Hard wrote:I was thinking the same thing when I read the Kirk Snyder thread...

I made that thread because I see him having the potential to be a great bench player for the team. I certainly don't consider him a huge offensive weapon or even a starter.

The Wolves need to build a supporting cast just as much as they need stars to run the show. At this point I feel more comfortable with Snyder on the team than McCants, Foye, and Smith. The Wolves are full of tweeners, who will likely become disgruntled if they have to resort to coming off of the bench, on a bad to mediocre team.

Snyder has been humbled since his attitude problems with Jerry Sloan. Is Snyder as talented as the others I mentioned? Probably not, but he knows his role, and is looking for the teams best interest. He says he loves it here, and is contributing. That is very important to me. That's why I am a fan.

colincb · Post #37 » by **colincb** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 12:49 am

Bassy was going from Boston because he continued to get himself in stupid situations and they are very conscious of public relations. I don't think anyone thought he is a bad kid.

I do know that he worked out very hard over the summer with Gomes and seemed to be getting his head on straight. I'd be surprised if he didn't want to stay with the TWs. His game is improving and he is very young still.

He's also a true PG and Foye isn't. I don't think you can teach a SG to be a good PG. OTOH, his feet are fast enough to play defense and most PGs can improve their shots with experience.

Post #38 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 1:45 am

I think we keep Bassy. I like the chemistry we have with Bassy/Foye/Shad and then Brewer's ability to play the 2 if needed.

Wormguts. I think keeping supporting roll players around at a decent market value is very important. He is young and at worst he is a 6th man pg. Something that is valuable to keep.

GopherIt! · Post #39 » by **GopherIt!** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 6:43 am

How long are you willing to wait for him to develop? Like I've said before I'd be willing to offer him a one year contract but overall I'd rather use our cap space on someone we know is good instead of someone we hope will be good someday.

I think you have to take it year by year.

I agree. A one year deal would work best for the team. We can see if he improves enough next season to warrant a meaningful extension. Does Bassy accept that though? Is he o.k. being a likely back up here or does he think he can et more minutes somewhere else and make more money?

Post #40 » by **TheFranchise21** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 7:14 am

Telfair was a DNP tonight.