College players thread/ Draft Related thread

[AQuintus]

I hope they somehow manage to trade up for another lottery pick, the perfect draft for me would be DeRozan/Thabeet, that draft would be the second part of the Mayo-Love trade, get an even better SG prospect, and get an athletic center to compliment Love.

Here's how to do it...

Draft either Thabeet or DeRosen with whatever pick the Wolves end up with depending on who has more value at the time (also depending on a little lotto luck, but at the the rate we're going we'll be sitting pretty).

Then trade Miami #1, Utah #1, Boston #1 and the rights to Pekovic for the rights to DeRozen/Thabeet (which ever one they didn't draft).

Voila!

As of now, I would be fine with any combo of Thabeet/Mullins and DeRozen/Harden

That would be the absolute perfect draft in my opinion.

[southern wolf]

With our history of trading draft picks i'd be a little hesitant in trading for anyone. Think of all the players we've given up in bad draft day trades. Maybe with a new look front office that doesn't include McHale or Wittman.

[wolves_fan_82au]

top 5 i would pick at this stage are

1.Demar Rozan
2.Hasheem Thabeet
3.Ricky Rubio
4.Brandon Jennings
5.BJ Mullins

i would rather a pg but i guess a lot would depend on if we trade Mike Miller

im guessing if we stay where we are in the draft now we could get
3.Demar Rozan
17.Andrew Ogilvy
27.Ty Lawson or Darren Collison
28.Tyler Hansbrough

thats not a bad group theres a lot of talent there

[Foye]

I hope we get a top 3 pick of our own pick, a late lottery of the heat and a utah pick around #23 and boston will probably be 29.

Then we need to trade up somehow to get another top 5 pick. I'd be willing to include all our players (except for Big Al and Love) and first or second round picks to get another high draft pick. If we can get DeRozan or Rubio and a defensive minded C out of this draft who has the potential to be at least a very good player in this league we have a great chance of being a contender in some years...


the 2009 draft will decide whether our future will look bright or if we'll become a 1stroundplayoffexitteam again

[revprodeji]

WOW, if we could get ThaBeast and Rubio---wow-wow-wow

Al/Love/Beast/Cookie for the bigs.

Brew/Gomes at the 3

Miller/Shad/Foye 2

Rubio/Bassy/Foye 1

Crowd lovin it.

[karch34]

Here's how to do it...

Draft either Thabeet or DeRosen with whatever pick the Wolves end up with depending on who has more value at the time (also depending on a little lotto luck, but at the the rate we're going we'll be sitting pretty).

Then trade Miami #1, Utah #1, Boston #1 and the rights to Pekovic for the rights to DeRozen/Thabeet (which ever one they didn't draft).

Voila!

As of now, I would be fine with any combo of Thabeet/Mullins and DeRozen/Harden

I like that idea as well. Odds are we aren't going to bring four 1st rounders on board and I'd definitely do quantity for quality. Thabeet immediately upgrades our front court defense and then a Harden/DeRozen gives us a legitimate crunch time scorer. There's a few options out there and I want to come out of the draft with a true C and elite guard prospect.

Thabeet and Rubio would rock, but with both likely to go at the very top that's going to be a pretty good package to entice some team to give up one of them, probably with us trading a Miller and getting a bad contract in return being a part of it, even with picks.

[quote=wolves_fan_82au ]
im guessing if we stay where we are in the draft now we could get
3.Demar Rozan
17.Andrew Ogilvy
27.Ty Lawson or Darren Collison
28.Tyler Hansbrough
[/quote]

That is a lot of talent and not the worst haul. Of course I'd maybe look somewhere else over Hansbrough as we really don't need another PF.

[dunkonu21]

Thabeet and Jennings are my two favorite prospects in this early discussion. I think Jennings would be great. That is, if Foye can't pick it up during the season. It is way too early for this draft discussion, although it's always fun.

[Worm Guts]

It's never too early for draft talk when you're 1-8.

[revprodeji]

We need to somehow make a move to get a star. Not 3-4 decent pieces.

[the_bruce]

I'm all about Thabeet and Derozan, and we likely have enough chips to get both
assuming we get #1 or #2 and both don't go ballistic on the statline.

I just question whether the team should attempt to get a legit star
or try and develop one in an elite wing. MN has a ton of trading chips to get either
done. Jumping up into the top 10 with the additional assets probably
isn't out of reach.

Miller could fetch a late 1st and potentially clear 17m off the books
next year via the frequently proposed CLE trade. The going rate for capspace seems to be
roughly 3-5m/yr = 1 draft pick. So lets just call millers worth to be
2 mid-late 1st? Pekovic could potentially have the value of a 1st if he
is willing to come to the US near term.

What we could potentially have...
UTAH pick
MIA pick
BOS pick
Value of Miller?? (late 1st)
Value of Miller generated capspace (1-2 late 1sts)
Our 1st
Pekovic (value of X)
Value of Gomes (could fill depth on contender type team, and he's cheap SAS?)
Value of Cookie (could fill depth on team with defensive bigman, and he's cheap)


The pieces I'd keep are...
Al, Love, Brewer, Foye(I'm not as down on him as the rest of you)

I'd like to see McCants & Carney swapped for better fitting piece, or at least
a piece the FO would be willing to take a look at. Bellini, Noah, Williams all
seem to be getting limited minutes too. A change of scenery may help all of these
young players.

Bellineli - combo guard like McHale was talking about over offseason
Williams\ or oah - defensive big men

[Klomp]

NCAA marathon on ESPN now.

2008 College Hoops Tip-Off Marathon
Time (ET) Network Event
Midnight ESPN/ESPN360.com UMass vs. Memphis
2 a.m. ESPN/ESPN360.com Fresno State vs. Saint Mary's
4 a.m. ESPN/ESPN360.com Idaho State vs. Hawaii
6 a.m. ESPN SportsCenter Special: College Hoops Tip-Off
10 a.m. ESPN/ESPN360.com Penn vs. Drexel
Noon ESPN/ESPN360.com Iowa vs. Kansas (women)
2 p.m. ESPN/ESPN360.com Liberty vs. UNC-Asheville
4 p.m. ESPN/ESPN360.com Centenary vs. Baylor
6 p.m. ESPN/ESPN360.com CBE Classic: Richmond vs. Syracuse
7 p.m. ESPNU NIT Regional Final (from Purdue)
7:30 p.m. ESPN2/ESPN360.com NIT Regional Final (from Boston College)
8 p.m. ESPN College GameDay (from Chapel Hill)
9 p.m. ESPN/ESPN360.com Kentucky vs. North Carolina
9 p.m. ESPNU CBE Classic: Florida Gulf Coast vs. Kansas
9:30 p.m. ESPN2/ESPN360.com NIT Regional Final (from Oklahoma)
11:30 p.m. ESPN2/ESPN360.com NIT Regional Final (from Arizona)

[hotshotschamp]

stephen curry is a beast. 33 pts and 9 assists with 4 steals tonight.

Thabeet had a blah night, 8 pts and a few rebs

Blake griffin is a rebounding machine i guess, 20 pts, 19 rebs.

[PeeDee]

Thabeet had a blah night, 8 pts and a few rebs

Yeah, shooting 2-4, 5-7 at the line, grabbing 8 rebounds, blocking 2 shots and getting a steal with no turnovers in 22 minutes is totally 'blah'... what a bum.

[Worm Guts]

I'm not sure how I feel Rubio. He doesn't have a great jump shot, he doesn't look that athletic, and in general I don't trust Euros. Of course he could be the next Jason Kidd. I don't know.
There's also the question of what this team needs more, a point guard or a consistent scoring threat from the perimeter.

[PeeDee]

They need what they always have needed, a guard that can get to the free throw line a lot and do it consistantly. Being able to defend would be nice too.

Harden/DeRozen or bust.

[Worm Guts]

They need what they always have needed, a guard that can get to the free throw line a lot and do it consistantly. Being able to defend would be nice too.

Harden/DeRozen or bust.

Who would you pick right now if you had to chose between Harden and Derozan? Harden is alot more advanced while Derozan has the bigger upside and the athleticism that Wolves need.

[wolves_fan_82au]

Pat Mills is avg
21 ppg
2.5 rpg
6.5 apg
5 spg

[AQuintus]

They need what they always have needed, a guard that can get to the free throw line a lot and do it consistantly. Being able to defend would be nice too.

Harden/DeRozen or bust.

Who would you pick right now if you had to chose between Harden and Derozan? Harden is alot more advanced while Derozan has the bigger upside and the athleticism that Wolves need.

Personally, I would go DeRozan. From what I've seen and read, Harden is a Brandon Roy/ Manu Ginobili type if he reaches his potential. In other words, a great piece for a championship caliber team that already has 1 or 2 other studs on it.

On the other hand, DeRozan comes off as the Kobe Bryant/ Michael Jordan type if he reaches his potential, the kind of guy you can put on a team with decent but not overwhelming talent (like the T-Wolves) and let him carry them to a title.

Moreover, Harden is a guy that plays great off of the ball, so he would benefit greatly from a stud Point. DeRozan is more of a guy who creates his own offense, so he would work better with the Wolve's shaky Point Guard situation.

[PeeDee]

They need what they always have needed, a guard that can get to the free throw line a lot and do it consistantly. Being able to defend would be nice too.

Harden/DeRozen or bust.

Who would you pick right now if you had to chose between Harden and Derozan? Harden is alot more advanced while Derozan has the bigger upside and the athleticism that Wolves need.

Personally, I would go DeRozan. From what I've seen and read, Harden is a Brandon Roy/ Manu Ginobili type if he reaches his potential. In other words, a great piece for a championship caliber team that already has 1 or 2 other studs on it.

On the other hand, DeRozan comes off as the Kobe Bryant/ Michael Jordan type if he reaches his potential, the kind of guy you can put on a team with decent but not overwhelming talent (like the T-Wolves) and let him carry them to a title.

Moreover, Harden is a guy that plays great off of the ball, so he would benefit greatly from a stud Point. DeRozan is more of a guy who creates his own offense, so he would work better with the Wolve's shaky Point Guard situation.

Disagree. Harden is a team player. He racks up assists and can score off the ball or while creating his own offense. He also knows what defense is. One cavat... he's a bit undersized.

DeRozan has the size and seems to let his game come to him. If he goes nuts this year, I pick him over Harden. I see oodles of Paul Pierce in DeRozan.

[AQuintus]

Disagree. Harden is a team player. He racks up assists and can score off the ball or while creating his own offense. He also knows what defense is. One cavat... he's a bit undersized.

I don't disagree. Harden is a big time team player, and he does rack up assists (like Roy and Ginobili). He can create his own offense, but I don't see that as his "thing" in the NBA, because he is such a big team player. I see him more as a come off of screens, play within the teams offense, Rip Hamilton offensive player. He definitely does know defense, but another caveat is that he has limited athleticism and quickness. This isn't a very big problem for him (unlike it would be for most wing players), because his basketball IQ is off the charts, but it will hurt his ability to play man defense, which means to maximize his defensive potential, he will need a good team defensive scheme (something the Wolves don't have).

DeRozan has the size and seems to let his game come to him. If he goes nuts this year, I pick him over Harden. I see oodles of Paul Pierce in DeRozan.

I think I would take DeRozan even if he only had an an average year, because he has such ridiculous potential. I can see the PP comparison, they're both the kind of first option talent that can take over a game and win it by themselves, but I would say that DeRozan is a much more explosive athlete.