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Post#201 » by Klomp » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:13 am

Piecake wrote:New article up on Jonas Valanciunas on Draft Express

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jon ... unas-5622/

If Kyrie Irving is not available and Jonas still projects high by the end of the year, I think he is exactly the type of player we need, A long, athletic defensive big who plays with energy and finishes around the rim.

Besides these two guys, Im really not terribly excited about the rest of the draft prospects because they all seem to be SF and PFs, a position that we simply dont need. Now, I know its bad to draft for need, but as long as they are in the same talent tier, i have no problems drafting need.

I'm sold.
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Post#202 » by jade_hippo » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:36 am

Certainly like him more than Fab Melo
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Post#203 » by re49gb_2gho32fp » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:57 am

That lithuanian guy and defense are apparently two separate universes currently. He's skinny as a feather and gets manhandled by EURO bigs.
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Post#204 » by shangrila » Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:40 am

At least he tries. That's more then we currently have
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Post#205 » by Grits n Gravy » Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:51 pm

shaolin wrote:That lithuanian guy and defense are apparently two separate universes currently. He's skinny as a feather and gets manhandled by EURO bigs.


he's still only 18, he will fill out and nba strength and conditioning coaches will take care of him. darko was skinny as a rail when he entered the league and look how long it took for him to tank up.

his per minute production is incredible, especially for an 18 year old who gets no plays run for him, he could still grow an inch or 2. imagine the guy at 7'/7'1 with 7'4 wingspan, who can rebound, block shot, run the floor, do the dirty work and still develop an inside game!!
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Post#206 » by Piecake » Thu Dec 30, 2010 4:26 pm

Valanciunas' body was slowly but surely filling out and he was a much more confident and intense player than he was a year before. His work was starting to pay off...

He runs the floor extremely well, is quick off his feet and has no qualms whatsoever about throwing his body around in the paint. Not one to just stand around and wait for opportunities to come to him, Valanciunas wants to be productive all the time, which is a big reason he's been able to earn playing time in such a demanding environment this season, despite his obvious immaturity...

The place this seems to show up most is on the defensive end. Valanciunas is a major presence in the paint with his terrific size and length. His mobility helps him out quite a bit as well. He can contest shots around the rim and has good timing for blocking shots, even if he's not what you would call a high-flyer.

With that said, he's not the smartest, most reactive player you'll find right now, especially on the perimeter, which can lead to some poor rotations and open shots for opponents.

Interestingly enough, even when you see him getting beat at times outside the paint he still has the ability to recover and make a play at the rim, which is a testament to his foot speed and wingspan.

Nevertheless, he's still gaining experience and learning the nuances of the game on this end, which is one of the main things holding him back from getting even more playing time for Rytas.

Inside the paint, Valanciunas is a frequent target for opposing teams to post up due to his narrow frame and lack of experience, especially in the Euroleague, where almost every team has a bulky old school back-to-the-basket pivot who can simply overpower Valanciunas in one-on-one situations.

That's a big reason why Valanciunas has had consistent foul problems over the course of the year -- another reason that his playing time has been limited. In the Euroleague, for example, he commits approximately one foul for every 4 minutes he's on the court.

Despite the negatives described here, Valanciunas is undoubtedly an outstanding prospect, especially when we consider that he doesn't turn 19 until May. Players with his combination of size, length, mobility, toughness and budding skills are extremely difficult to come by.

The fact that he's producing at the rate he is in the Euroleague, Lithuanian league, and VTB League at his age is an extremely positive sign. Considering the tools he has, it's safe to say that his upside to continue to improve is huge.

It's easy to see him developing into an Andris Biedrins-type rebounder/defender/hustler in the NBA, but he likely has more even potential offensively than the Latvian big man due to his superior hands and touch (he probably has more of a nasty streak too).


That is why I think we should pick him up. He can defend the rim, block shots, and sounds more athletic than Darko. The dude is 18, Im sure he will fill out, but the most important thing is that he wants to defend the rim, wants to throw his body around, wants to be a defensive presence, and seems perfectly fine conforming to put-back, finisher role on the offensive end.

The players who absolutely abuse us are the LMA types. It sounds like this guy will be able to defend them extremely well
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Post#207 » by Krapinsky » Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:02 pm

I think Malcolm Lee and/or Justin Holiday would be a nice additions to our back court. We should be targeting A + perimeter defenders like them at some point.
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Post#208 » by revprodeji » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:43 pm

I have thought that about Malcolm Lee. He was higher last year as a SG, but now as the Pg his stock has dropped. I think he would be a very good fit. He could satisfy that combo 1/2 that seems to be a trend in our goals. He will never be a lead P/R pg, but as a back-up defender/shooter he could be a value pick. His shooting is inconsistent but his defense is nice.
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Post#209 » by horaceworthy » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:50 pm

I like Holiday, particularly now that he's hitting from range, but I liked Bobby Jones, too.
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Post#210 » by Krapinsky » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:16 pm

It's surprising Jones is out of the league. I'd expect he's still better than Brewer in every facet of the game.
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Post#211 » by shangrila » Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:47 pm

Holiday would be nice. I'd make a hard push for Chris Singleton if Brewer's gone.

Not too sure about Lee, maybe he's having the same problems Westbrook had in UCLA but I kind of doubt it. Tyshawn Taylor could, in theory, fill a similar role without being as raw.
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Post#212 » by Piecake » Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:56 pm

Say we get the 1st or 2nd pick (Stay with me here, this just a hypothetical) and we draft Kyrie Irving, am I crazy to think that it would be a good idea to try and move up to draft Jonas Valanciunas with some combination of Rubio, Flynn, Pek and our late first picks?

Irving/Ridnour
Johnson/Webster
Beasley/Webster
Love/Tolliver
Darko/Valanciunas

That looks like a pretty good lineup, especially if Johnson turns into a great defender. I would like someone quicker at the SG or backup wing though.
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Post#213 » by canucklife21 » Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:20 pm

What do we think of guys like Klay Thompson and Tyler Honeycutt.. should the wolves pay lil more attention to these wings or maybe its time to focus more on a center later on in the draft?
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Post#214 » by Piecake » Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:33 pm

canucklife21 wrote:What do we think of guys like Klay Thompson and Tyler Honeycutt.. should the wolves pay lil more attention to these wings or maybe its time to focus more on a center later on in the draft?


I just dont really see the point in drafting them since our forward position is pretty much set, and if we draft a wing, lets make it an actual 2 guard, not another 3. Plus, there will be much better prospects at the 3-4 positions available at the wolves pick. Maybe with our Memphis pick if we dont try to trade up

Honeycutt has apparently poor handles and passing ability as well. We dont need another wing like that
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Post#215 » by Vindicater » Sun Jan 2, 2011 4:13 am

Jonas Valanciunas- I really like this guy. Huge wingspan and fsairly athletic, the kid also works his ass off according to all reports. I think if we grab him he makes Pekovic redundent and we could move him for something of value. This kid should go somewhere around 3-6 come draft time so it will depend how we finish the season as to where our draft spot will be.

Kris Joseph- A super talented kid who needs some extra work on his game. Much like Lazar this year I would expect if we grab this kid that he will spend alot of his first year in the NBDL getting match experiance and getting used to playing against full grown bodies. He could be a special player in years to come. I think he will go somewhere between 23-26 in the draft sdo will be a target with the Utah pick.

These are the two guys Ive been watching and keeping an eye on most of this last month.
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Post#216 » by Piecake » Sun Jan 2, 2011 4:45 am

Eh, I really don't want Kris Joseph. We have way too many 3s on this team, and I don't see Kris playing the 2 in the NBA. His shot just isnt very good, and NBAdraft ranks his ballhandling a 6. We actually need wings that can dribble.

Totally agree with you on Jonas though. If we managed to get Irving and Jonas, that would be my ideal draft. Pek has looked pretty good since coming back from injury though.
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Post#217 » by Grits n Gravy » Sun Jan 2, 2011 5:00 am

yes, valanciunas would be my number 1 target and then motiejunas who has massive potential as well and will be able to cover 2 or probably even spot minutes at the 3 as well...terrific size at 7'1 and a natural, quick footed power forward with massive inside outside potential. i would rather 1,000,000 have valanciunas because i think his defensive potential is great and he is not afraid to do the dirty work, it puts me off a lot that motiejunas is a pretty terrible defender and rebounder
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Post#218 » by horaceworthy » Sun Jan 2, 2011 5:01 am

Piecake wrote:Eh, I really don't want Kris Joseph. We have way too many 3s on this team, and I don't see Kris playing the 2 in the NBA. His shot just isnt very good, and NBAdraft ranks his ballhandling a 6. We actually need wings that can dribble.

Totally agree with you on Jonas though. If we managed to get Irving and Jonas, that would be my ideal draft. Pek has looked pretty good since coming back from injury though.

Pretty meaningless to bring up. Joseph is like bizarro Wes. Built similarly, athletic, but his offensive game consists pretty much around slashing to the basket rather than his jump shot. Wouldn't really mind him late in the draft, but there are other directions I'd rather see the team go.
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Post#219 » by Piecake » Sun Jan 2, 2011 5:08 am

I dont want Motiejunas at all. Just doesnt make any sense when we have Love and Beasley on the team since he will play at the 4 and be Bargnani 2.0. No thank you

We need players who can play some D - Irving and Jonas fit the bill.
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Post#220 » by Grits n Gravy » Sun Jan 2, 2011 5:16 am

Piecake wrote:I dont want Motiejunas at all. Just doesnt make any sense when we have Love and Beasley on the team since he will play at the 4 and be Bargnani 2.0. No thank you

We need players who can play some D - Irving and Jonas fit the bill.


yeah i agree but if we ended up with a pick in the 9-13 region and he was still there, you'd have to be hard pressed to say no..regardless of how bad his defense is, he would have good trade value immediately and more so in the future

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