Butler has requested a trade (Part II)

[Whole Truth]

I'm starting to warm to the idea of a Houston deal centered around Gordon. Is it great? No but it's better than anything Miami is going to offer outside of Richardson. You get some shooting in the starting lineup that you desperately need.

Gordon is a poor defender though, him & Wiggins could be a disaster defensively.

I'm not going to worry about that so much. He would give us that monster high volume three point shooter that we have needed so desperately.

Unless Kat or Wiggins takes steps defensively it's going to be hard in the West to cover 3 positions & compensate with 3pt volume.

I liked your Middleton target, if Bucks are willing. Take him, a filler & forgo the pick if Bucks balk at trading him for rental.

[Araxen]

CP3, Harden, Butler, Carmelo & Capela is elite.

That is a team that can beat GSW.

[Murphs56]

I'm starting to warm to the idea of a Houston deal centered around Gordon. Is it great? No but it's better than anything Miami is going to offer outside of Richardson. You get some shooting in the starting lineup that you desperately need.

Gordon is a poor defender though, him & Wiggins could be a disaster defensively.

Can't have it all lol. This situation isn't ideal.

[southern wolf]

Butler on the Rockets would be scary. Seeing the Rockets potentially beat the Warriors would be nice, but I also don't want Jimmy Butler to win a championship after what he's done to us and they've got no young talent or picks to offer (Capela will be untouchable).

[Loyal[]Wolf]

Read on Twitter

[big3_8_19_21]

I feel like this whole process is a con to trick us into thinking that Josh Richardson is a good return for a top 15 player. Yes, I get the tough negotiating position we are in. But, wow.

[KGdaBom]

Butler on the Rockets would be scary. Seeing the Rockets potentially beat the Warriors would be nice, but I also don't want Jimmy Butler to win a championship after what he's done to us and they've got no young talent or picks to offer (Capela will be untouchable).

Don't they have picks to offer. I would lean towards accepting Gordon, and their next Three available FRPs 2019-2021-2023.

[AirP.]

With Houston there's no moving Dieng.

Read on Twitter

[KGdaBom]

I feel like this whole process is a con to trick us into thinking that Josh Richardson is a good return for a top 15 player. Yes, I get the tough negotiating position we are in. But, wow.

It's a very risky con. The wolves could accept a deal from another team while they are trying to pull it off. I don't think anybody is saying that Richardson is enough, but I do think he is on the verge of being a star and he's locked into a great contract. Add Olynyk or Bam and the first round pick. It isn't terrible.

[wolves_89]

I truly can't envision a trade with Houston that makes much sense. Gordon would be fine as the second piece in a trade (and Tucker maybe a third piece), but neither comes anywhere near having the value to be the centerpiece. In addition, the Rockets draft pick next year is very likely to be in the late 20s which also isn't an acceptable top piece in a deal. The Wolves can't even get future cap relief since there is no way to include Dieng. Altogether, the value Houston can provide just doesn't add up.

[big3_8_19_21]

I feel like this whole process is a con to trick us into thinking that Josh Richardson is a good return for a top 15 player. Yes, I get the tough negotiating position we are in. But, wow.

It's a very risky con. The wolves could accept a deal from another team while they are trying to pull it off. I don't think anybody is saying that Richardson is enough, but I do think he is on the verge of being a star and he's locked into a great contract. Add Olynyk or Bam and the first round pick. It isn't terrible.

I agree. It’s just strange that Josh Richardson is the guy we’re scrambling for. It’s more palatable if I think essentially of trading Zach at $20 mil per for Richardson at half that. Obviously pending whatever else is included.

[MN7725]

I truly can't envision a trade with Houston that makes much sense. Gordon would be fine as the second piece in a trade (and Tucker maybe a third piece), but neither comes anywhere near having the value to be the centerpiece. In addition, the Rockets draft pick next year is very likely to be in the late 20s which also isn't an acceptable top piece in a deal. Altogether, the value Houston can provide just doesn't add up.

It does in comparison to Whiteside/Waiters

Wouldn't be surprised if Hou is best offer Wolves have gotten

Between the
teams that have salary issues until Dec. 15
teams that view Butler as rental
teams in full rebuild
teams that feel they can get Butler in FA and avoid the Knicks-Carmelo scenario (15 teams are projected to have $20+ mil in space in 2019)
teams that don't want a guy who has had three separate chemistry/locker room issues

Could be that dead

[wolves_89]

I truly can't envision a trade with Houston that makes much sense. Gordon would be fine as the second piece in a trade (and Tucker maybe a third piece), but neither comes anywhere near having the value to be the centerpiece. In addition, the Rockets draft pick next year is very likely to be in the late 20s which also isn't an acceptable top piece in a deal. Altogether, the value Houston can provide just doesn't add up.

It does in comparison to Whiteside/Waiters

Wouldn't be surprised if Hou is best offer Wolves have gotten

Between the
teams that have salary issues until Dec. 15
teams that view Butler as rental
teams in full rebuild
teams that feel they can get Butler in FA and avoid the Knicks-Carmelo scenario (15 teams are projected to have $20+ mil in space in 2019)
teams that don't want a guy who has had three separate chemistry/locker room issues

Could be that dead

If Houston is the best offer I really hope we wait until December (or January for some players), when recently signed free agents can be moved. I doubt we could do much worse at that point, and there would at least be a chance to get a better offer.

[MN7725]

I truly can't envision a trade with Houston that makes much sense. Gordon would be fine as the second piece in a trade (and Tucker maybe a third piece), but neither comes anywhere near having the value to be the centerpiece. In addition, the Rockets draft pick next year is very likely to be in the late 20s which also isn't an acceptable top piece in a deal. Altogether, the value Houston can provide just doesn't add up.

It does in comparison to Whiteside/Waiters

Wouldn't be surprised if Hou is best offer Wolves have gotten

Between the
teams that have salary issues until Dec. 15
teams that view Butler as rental
teams in full rebuild
teams that feel they can get Butler in FA and avoid the Knicks-Carmelo scenario (15 teams are projected to have $20+ mil in space in 2019)
teams that don't want a guy who has had three separate chemistry/locker room issues

Could be that dead

If Houston is the best offer I really hope we wait until December (or January for some players), when recently signed free agents can be moved. I doubt we could do much worse at that point, and there would at least be a chance to get a better offer.

Only reason that wouldn't happen is Taylor's impatience

[KGdaBom]

With Houston there's no moving Dieng.

Read on Twitter

Gordon would really help the wolves and I think he will be good for 3 or 4 more years. However the filler needs to be young such as first round picks. At least two considering where the Rockets will be drafting. Maybe 3.

[KGdaBom]

I feel like this whole process is a con to trick us into thinking that Josh Richardson is a good return for a top 15 player. Yes, I get the tough negotiating position we are in. But, wow.

It's a very risky con. The wolves could accept a deal from another team while they are trying to pull it off. I don't think anybody is saying that Richardson is enough, but I do think he is on the verge of being a star and he's locked into a great contract. Add Olynyk or Bam and the first round pick. It isn't terrible.

I agree. It’s just strange that Josh Richardson is the guy we’re scrambling for. It’s more palatable if I think essentially of trading Zach at $20 mil per for Richardson at half that. Obviously pending whatever else is included.

Exactly. Josh is much better than Zach on a much, much, better deal. I think Olynyk would be a good fit on our team and we would get an FRP in the deal as well to either keep or to move Gorgui.

[KGdaBom]

I just checked the SI top 100 players list and was surprised to see Eric Gordon in the top 50 at 49. I thought he would be ranked lower. PJ Tucker checked in at 85. Two top 100 players and a FRP under the circumstances wouldn't be horrible. It's just that they're so old. Gordon a year older than Jimmy and Tucker 33. That's why their needs to be two first round picks included in the deal IMO.

[KGdaBom]

Some other player rankings of interest but keep in mind just based on this season not based on future speculation or trade value due to contracts age or anything else. Jimmy Butler at #10. Ben Simmons 25, Khris Middleton 28Goran Dragic 45, RoCo 48, Saric 54, Tobias Harris 65, Josh Richardson 71, and Kelly Olynyk 93.

[MN7725]

I just checked the SI top 100 players list and was surprised to see Eric Gordon in the top 50 at 49. I thought he would be ranked lower. PJ Tucker checked in at 85. Two top 100 players and a FRP under the circumstances wouldn't be horrible. It's just that they're so old. Gordon a year older than Jimmy and Tucker 33. That's why their needs to be two first round picks included in the deal IMO.

Don't think that Tucker would be considered the filler in the "package centered around Eric Gordon and fillers" that tweet is referring to, too important of a player

Filler more likely means something like Nene and minimum guys, to get salaries to match

[Calinks]

If teams seriously let the Rockets get Butler, they are dropping the freaking ball. You are going to let another super team be formed? I'd be kicking myself if I could have gotten Butler and I let Houston steal him and possibly win some championships.