Andrew Wiggins and the wolves future

[Killboard]

In a perfect world, i'd go after an aggressive scoring PG, but doesn't have tunnel vision. A guy like Kemba would be a dream, Jrue Holiday would be good too if we had Tyus run point.

I didn't want to get into the Dario things you spoke of so I deleted it. Jrue is interesting if you can get him. If you can't get him, look for players that think like him. Players mentally prepared to bring it each game, who understand both offense and defense are part of it. Players with enough game IQ to be versatile against different opponents. Players that learn to play with their teammates whoever they may be and who can adjust to others.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/jrue-holidays-job-is-to-do-everything-for-the-pelicans-and-he-absolutely-relishes-it/

You just defined Ricky Rubio.

[Jedzz]

In a perfect world, i'd go after an aggressive scoring PG, but doesn't have tunnel vision. A guy like Kemba would be a dream, Jrue Holiday would be good too if we had Tyus run point.

I didn't want to get into the Dario things you spoke of so I deleted it. Jrue is interesting if you can get him. If you can't get him, look for players that think like him. Players mentally prepared to bring it each game, who understand both offense and defense are part of it. Players with enough game IQ to be versatile against different opponents. Players that learn to play with their teammates whoever they may be and who can adjust to others.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/jrue-holidays-job-is-to-do-everything-for-the-pelicans-and-he-absolutely-relishes-it/

You just defined Ricky Rubio.

I have nothing against Rubio. Except when he plays here because he can't shoot here.

[karch34]

I think once RoCo is back Ryan should seriously look at a starting lineup of Tyus, Okogie, RoCo, Saric, and Towns with a 2nd unit of Teague, Rose, Wiggins, Gibson and KBD/Deng/Dieng/Tolliver (depending on match up). Teague will be with us next year but need to see if Tyus is guy for future or at worst long term back up. Wiggins might thrive (even with Rose and Teague) as the guy who the offense flow through or we know for certain it's time to move on.

[Jedzz]

I think once RoCo is back Ryan should seriously look at a starting lineup of Tyus, Okogie, RoCo, Saric, and Towns with a 2nd unit of Teague, Rose, Wiggins, Gibson and KBD/Deng/Dieng/Tolliver (depending on match up). Teague will be with us next year but need to see if Tyus is guy for future or at worst long term back up. Wiggins might thrive (even with Rose and Teague) as the guy who the offense flow through or we know for certain it's time to move on.

One day Wiggins will start to feel comfortable and we will all rue the day. Maybe. Possibly. Kinda.

[Klomp]

What team could we realistically dump Wiggins on still?

My first thoughts are Charlotte or Memphis but I have my doubts with either agreeing to take on that length of contract. Charlotte deal would involve Batum and Memphis deal would involve Parsons.

At the beginning of the year I thought Sacramento, Atlanta, or Chicago could be prime candidates but I think Atlanta is developing faster than expected although still a ways away and Chicago and Sac went and got their overpaid SF's in Barnes & Porter. Both upgrades over Wigg

Other teams that come to mind are Phoenix, Cleveland or New Orleans but it would probably require us giving up at least 1 1st for them to take on the contract. No way any team trying to contend now or within the next 2 years traded for Wiggins.

A team I hadn't ever thought about until tonight: Miami Heat.

I think for most people they wouldn't be an obvious choice because people might not think Wiggins is the type of player Riley would trade for. But they're a team that seems to be in no-mans land, that they may want to take a chance on if Wiggins has any potential left. They're capped out with little wiggle room and little chance for internal growth. They also have contracts that, while somewhat undesirable, may be more desirable than the Wiggins contract.

Now, Richardson would almost assuredly be off the table, but guys like James Johnson, Kelly Olynyk, Hassan Whiteside or Justice Winslow would be interesting pieces to get back

[GI_Slow]

Considering we're expecting neutral to negative value, Whiteside and Winslow should be out of reach, Olynyk is fine and JJ is probably leaning towards negative, so JJ + Olynyk works financially during the offseason because of tax. Though that kinda makes moving Gorgui a must else we will have a big hole at SG besides Josh.

[packforfreedom]

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[minimus]

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I must admit, thats really bad

[McHalesBurner]

I think I'd rather have Wesley Johnson at this point.

[minimus]

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I wonder what happens if AW is in this list. Simply run hard, both in offense and defense. It might be that pass-first, more defensive minded PG will help to go in this direction as team. More deflection, steals, early offense etc.

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I wonder what happens if AW is in this list. Simply run hard, both in offense and defense. It might be that pass-first, more defensive minded PG will help to go in this direction as team. More deflection, steals, early offense etc.

I think we need a PG that can score as well, i’d Hate another Kris Dunn... Jokic and Jamal Murray are tearing up the league, all because of their offense.

[Killboard]

Man, that report on Wiggins season was really well done and talks a lot a bout why the wolves fans are so negative about Wiggins and how it jeopardize the franchise. But how this topic is about Wigs but also the wolves future I will put this here:

Minutes played this season:

1th Karl-Anthony Towns 23 years old, 2090 minutes
2nd Andrew Wiggins 23 years old, 2053 minutes
5th Josh Okogie 20 years old, 1298 minutes
7th Dario Saric 24 years old, 1191 minutes
8th Tyus Jones 22 years old, 1059 minutes


3rd is Taj
4th is Rose
6th is Teague


So depending on how you feel on the last 3 names, and how irreplaceable do you think they are, or how much do you think they have contributed this season, you can feel pretty grim or pretty happy.

I will say that those 3 dont bring close value to the 35 M Dollars we commited to them this season.

By BPM:
Teague: -2.1 (11th in the roster)
Rose: -0.5 (7th in the roster)
Taj: 1.1 (3rd in the roster)

By RPM:
Teague: -0.83 (40th among PG)
Rose: -1.48 (47th among PG)
Taj: 0.55 (30th among PF's)

Net Rating:
Teague: -0.3 (9th in the roster)
Rose: 0.7 (6th in the roster)
Taj: -1.2 (11th in the roster)


So I will die in the hill that even with an historically bad season from Wiggins, a playing him a lot more minutes than he deserves, this team also is close to .500 with his second best player losing half season, and the most important parts are coming back next year.

[Rookie-Mistake]

Wow. My eyes knew it was this bad but that chart paints the picture.. can someone send that to Andrews Instagram or forward it to Ryan????

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[mplsfonz23]

Looking at that chart, who is worse than Wiggins?

Damm, he should never shoot. Dunks or 3's

[Jedzz]

Wiggins needs to start playing and earning checks. I know nobody wants him to play, but he doesn't have to start. He does need to help the team not be so thin right now.

The team seems to be shutting everyone down except Towns because he's chasing money. I'm done watching Bayless. Give us something to watch. Jazz game tonight and these are usually good entertainment. But not if no one is playing.

[packforfreedom]

Looking at that chart, who is worse than Wiggins?

Damm, he should never shoot. Dunks or 3's

since he doesn't dunk anymore, parking him in the left corner seems to be the best plan.

[mplsfonz23]

Looking at that chart, who is worse than Wiggins?

Damm, he should never shoot. Dunks or 3's

since he doesn't dunk anymore, parking him in the left corner seems to be the best plan.

He's scared to dunk, takes to much emotion and energy.

But who is the player that shoots worse than Drew?
Rubio?

[RodyTur10]

Looking at that chart, who is worse than Wiggins?

Damm, he should never shoot. Dunks or 3's

Kevin Knox. He's the worst shooter in the NBA and maybe the worst offensive player in the league.
Actually according to the stats Knox is currently the worst player that plays regular minutes in the NBA, period.

But there's no player that shoots on the volume of Wiggins who has a lower FG% than Wiggins.

[mplsfonz23]

Looking at that chart, who is worse than Wiggins?

Damm, he should never shoot. Dunks or 3's

Kevin Knox. He's the worst shooter in the NBA and maybe the worst offensive player in the league.
Actually according to the stats Knox is currently the worst player that plays regular minutes in the NBA, period.

But there's no player that shoots on the volume of Wiggins who has a lower FG% than Wiggins.

Wow. I thought Knox was going to be a good player.
Wiggins will be an all star next year.

[RodyTur10]

Looking at that chart, who is worse than Wiggins?

Damm, he should never shoot. Dunks or 3's

Kevin Knox. He's the worst shooter in the NBA and maybe the worst offensive player in the league.
Actually according to the stats Knox is currently the worst player that plays regular minutes in the NBA, period.

But there's no player that shoots on the volume of Wiggins who has a lower FG% than Wiggins.

Wow. I thought Knox was going to be a good player.
Wiggins will be an all star next year.

Maybe Knox is going to be a good player, he's only 19. But right now he's a college level player who gets free NBA experience.
Knox has a long way to go.

Wiggins an All Star? Can't see that happening. Like suggested, the Timberwolves should trade him to Miami, Memphis or Cleveland.
Would you guys have interest in Conley or Love?