Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

[Jedzz]

It’s amazing watching people gobble up Jimmys PR team like they have been doing since week one.

DId jimmys pr team also kick the crap out of the whole roster in practice today?

What does Jimmy being a good player have to do with him leaking crap to make himself look better?

When did professional sports stop being about good players with unique characters and start being about paying zombies, going through the motions, and not rocking the boat?

I swear there were more people in this town angry that an upcoming media day pomp and circumstance would be ruined than the fact this team was going to stink again.

Just put great players on the court that will do amazing things for wins. That's the only point of these games.

PR? Does that stand for Pick n Roll or Purple Rain? PnR Lies coming to target center soon? I don't care about anything else it might be. Jimmy coming into practice acting as who he really is as a man and a capable player showing these half baked pros what is what because he doesn't care who's emotions he hurts and he wants off this team was morosely our first real show of the leadership this team really always needed. A star player who's really willing could straighten out a looneytunes coach, bad GM and weak minded players. But he would have to act exactly like this and want to stay and keep doing it while a bunch of Minnesotans cry out that the devil just maimed them. He might also have to do it for less. All of which is why we finally got this drama show. Just too late to help anyone or himself.

[Slim Tubby]

What if this is all a master plan of Thibs and Buckets to figure out a way to light a fire under the butts of Wiggy and KAT? Just saying...


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[Grubie024]

My gut told me weeks ago that this was mostly about money, and that stance has hardened since watching the interview.
Butler talks about honesty and says something about, if you don't like how I practice tell me. I'm not buying that as his meaning of be honest. I think he was told he'd be taken care of and Glenn Taylor won't pay him the five year max.

All the rest is secondary and is being used in part to cover for the fact that money is the main thing for him.

[Jedzz]

Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness.
Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness.
Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.

Jimmy Butler wiped his ass with The Art of War today.

That he did. Would have been nice if they televised the whole thing. Could hold this event once a year and treat the fans to it in lieu of any finals events.

It's rare to see the art of war tactics amount to anything good for a player in pro sports though. Who's got that many years to waste?

[Mattya]

DId jimmys pr team also kick the crap out of the whole roster in practice today?

What does Jimmy being a good player have to do with him leaking crap to make himself look better?

But he would have to act exactly like this and want to stay and keep doing it while a bunch of Minnesotans cry out that the devil just maimed them. He might also have to do it for less. All of which is why we finally got this drama show. Just too late to help anyone or himself.

Let’s just cut the rest of that blabbering nonsense out because it has nothing to do with any of my points and most is just straw man fallacies or admission of ignorance.

This last point is pure BS. All you need to do is look back at Kevin Love. He didn’t go around crying like Jimmy. He let the Wolves work out a trade. Which took twice as long at the beginning of that offseason. Jimmy requests a trade a week before the season starts, complains to the media at least every other day. Now this little ESPN day time scripted drama. Of course if you are trying to undermine the team trying to trade you, it’s going to be a more difficult task to find a trade, doesn’t mean the Wolves should take the garbage they have been offered.

[Loyal[]Wolf]

My gut told me weeks ag.mo that this was mostly about money, and that stance has hardened since watching the interview.
Butler talks about honesty and says something about, if you don't like how I practice tell me. I'm not buying that as his meaning of be honest. I think he was told he'd be taken care of and Glenn Taylor won't pay him the five year max.

All the rest is secondary and is being used in part to cover for the fact that money is the main thing for him.

Yes. Butler wants to be appreciated, and by that he means a contract that he deserves. Long story short, he wants "honest" contact negotiations between him and the organization.

If they say Butler is very important to the organization (verbally), but don't have action behind it (super maximum contact) - this is what isn't being honest to him.

[Jedzz]

My gut told me weeks ago that this was mostly about money, and that stance has hardened since watching the interview.
Butler talks about honesty and says something about, if you don't like how I practice tell me. I'm not buying that as his meaning of be honest. I think he was told he'd be taken care of and Glenn Taylor won't pay him the five year max.

All the rest is secondary and is being used in part to cover for the fact that money is the main thing for him.

Money could be a great factor. Along with R E S P E C T. The money could spell respect to him. The timing of when they offered him anything might have in fact played a part in this. Any feeling that handling his future was second to handling the future of a who he might see as a spoiled brat might be it.

Push money aside, winning and playing with others that are like minded players instead of carrying players who refuse to follow might have been every bit as important to him. If he actually had that here would he be acting different? It's not unreasonably to assume he would be a happy star here if he had that even at lessor money.

I will say one thing about this hate for him wanting money. They almost all do. Towns didn't blink signing a deal that will in all likelihood make it much harder for this team to build a winning team around him. I don't see anyone castrating him for the deal that took all summer to sign. Towns spoke about how his new deal can help generations in his family. But he never went into how the new generation of Wolves teams are going to be helped by the amount.

[_AIJ_]

Kick him out already!


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[Grubie024]

My gut told me weeks ag.mo that this was mostly about money, and that stance has hardened since watching the interview.
Butler talks about honesty and says something about, if you don't like how I practice tell me. I'm not buying that as his meaning of be honest. I think he was told he'd be taken care of and Glenn Taylor won't pay him the five year max.

All the rest is secondary and is being used in part to cover for the fact that money is the main thing for him.

Yes. Butler wants to be appreciated, and by that he means a contract that he deserves. Long story short, he wants "honest" contact negotiations between him and the organization.

If they say Butler is very important to the organization (verbally), but don't have action behind it (super maximum contact) - this is what isn't being honest to him.

I like your take- it may not be that he was led to believe we'd offer the five year max, rather he's being told how important he is and is not getting that offer. Either way, money is a major major factor, and the beef with teammates is secondary. The fact that Wiggins slapped hands with him at the end of practice seems to indicate that beef between them is not the primary issue.

[Jedzz]

Yes. Butler wants to be appreciated, and by that he means a contract that he deserves. Long story short, he wants "honest" contact negotiations between him and the organization.

If they say Butler is very important to the organization (verbally), but don't have action behind it (super maximum contact) - this is what isn't being honest to him.

That appears to be it. Happens everywhere. Verbally love and want you. Won't actually prove it. (We love and want you, for the next 2.5 years anyway.)

I also have a feeling Butler's thoughts about what he should demand for pay are compared in his mind to those he plays with. If he was playing with Steph Curry, Lebron James, and Kevin Durant and they all signed 3 year deals with his team, I think Butler would take a three year deal as well. I don't think he's demanding a supermax in a bottle. He's looking at what this team is blowing on lessor players and asking why not him instead.

Butler and Taj Gibson made this team a winner last year and they play second fiddle in respect to who exactly? I have to believe that along with building a real winner plays a large part in this. Obviously he thinks highly of himself.

[Jedzz]

Kick him out already!


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What team will take him? He's evil incarnate.

[Loyal[]Wolf]

Kick him out already!


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Not happening. He's coming to practice tomorrow. Lol

[Loyal[]Wolf]

Yes. Butler wants to be appreciated, and by that he means a contract that he deserves. Long story short, he wants "honest" contact negotiations between him and the organization.

If they say Butler is very important to the organization (verbally), but don't have action behind it (super maximum contact) - this is what isn't being honest to him.

That appears to be it. Happens everywhere. Verbally love and want you. Won't actually prove it. (We love and want you, for the next 2.5 years anyway.)

I also have a feeling Butler's thoughts about what he should demand for pay are compared in his mind to those he plays with. If he was playing with Steph Curry, Lebron James, and Kevin Durant and they all signed 3 year deals with his team, I think Butler would take a three year deal as well. I don't think he's demanding a supermax in a bottle. He's looking at what this team is blowing on lessor players and asking why not him instead.

Butler and Taj Gibson made this team a winner last year and they play second fiddle in respect to who exactly? I have to believe that along with building a real winner plays a large part in this. Obviously he thinks highly of himself.

Yep, that's what it is. Butler hinted at it during the interview. The Wolves keep telling him how important he is to the organization (wins, defense, etc.) - they just need to show it.

[Grubie024]

Yes. Butler wants to be appreciated, and by that he means a contract that he deserves. Long story short, he wants "honest" contact negotiations between him and the organization.

If they say Butler is very important to the organization (verbally), but don't have action behind it (super maximum contact) - this is what isn't being honest to him.

That appears to be it. Happens everywhere. Verbally love and want you. Won't actually prove it. (We love and want you, for the next 2.5 years anyway.)

I also have a feeling Butler's thoughts about what he should demand for pay are compared in his mind to those he plays with. If he was playing with Steph Curry, Lebron James, and Kevin Durant and they all signed 3 year deals with his team, I think Butler would take a three year deal as well. I don't think he's demanding a supermax in a bottle. He's looking at what this team is blowing on lessor players and asking why not him instead.

Butler and Taj Gibson made this team a winner last year and they play second fiddle in respect to who exactly? I have to believe that along with building a real winner plays a large part in this. Obviously he thinks highly of himself.

I agree up until the last paragraph. Maybe he does care a lot about winning, but if that's true why is he naming Clippers, Knicks and Nets, them later Heat, as teams he'd like to be traded to? They all suck.
It's all about the Benjamin's. Keep in mind, his current contract was old TV deal max- he hasn't cashed in like most stars.

[Calinks]

Mark Jackson doesn't approve of Butler today. Said it was calculated and Jimmy has to learn how to be a better leader.

[Slim Tubby]

After reading the General Boards of various sites, Jimmy has managed to destroy the social, personal and professional persona of two guys 23 or younger. When I think of how much I still had to learn at the age of Wiggy and KAT, this saddens me. Jimmy is no leader of men...and not someone I can root for regardless of what jersey he wears.


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[Loyal[]Wolf]

I don't know if there's a better one out there, but here is one.

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[Jedzz]

What does Jimmy being a good player have to do with him leaking crap to make himself look better?

But he would have to act exactly like this and want to stay and keep doing it while a bunch of Minnesotans cry out that the devil just maimed them. He might also have to do it for less. All of which is why we finally got this drama show. Just too late to help anyone or himself.

Let’s just cut the rest of that blabbering nonsense out because it has nothing to do with any of my points and most is just straw man fallacies or admission of ignorance.

This last point is pure BS. All you need to do is look back at Kevin Love. He didn’t go around crying like Jimmy. He let the Wolves work out a trade. Which took twice as long at the beginning of that offseason. Jimmy requests a trade a week before the season starts, complains to the media at least every other day. Now this little ESPN day time scripted drama. Of course if you are trying to undermine the team trying to trade you, it’s going to be a more difficult task to find a trade, doesn’t mean the Wolves should take the garbage they have been offered.

Okay so you don't like my fallacies and I'm ignorant. That's fine. But let's not revise history on Kevin Love. Otay? I'm not arguing that you are wrong about Butler's recent actions.

I also don't know what your point is about. It certainly is not about "my last point of pure BS". My point there is that this is how he actually might have been able to run practices last year and it might have created a team in the end. I'm not sure that many would agree with me. It's just something I felt was needed last year. It's strange to me that it took him no longer caring about the team to show this much leadership to these players and this coach right now.

To your Love points.
Kevin Love was leaking that he would leave this place if he didn't get maxed, very early on. At a time when you couldn't sign multiple players to max deals like today. Many years before this team should have had to worry about it, it was a constant concern. After much bickering and time, finally signs a 4 year deal with the Wolves only on condition of a player option in year 3. Thus forcing the Wolves to start immediately with plans for growing a team without him. The trade of Love was all Love wanted. It took two wasted Wolves years to get done.

Aside from constant looming contract issue leaks from Love, he liked to pressure teammates by dropping small bombs in the media about them. "Who the team puts around him" and being the designated 5 year were the only narratives he wanted to discuss. His trade finally came in August leaving this team to blow at least one year learning about the mixed bag of return they got for him. It was no better a situation than we really see today.

I am not a fan of how Butler handled this summer and waiting until this late to demand to be moved. But I also don't much blame him for wanting off this team at this time. I hate that it hurts this season of Wolves ball. What I was trying to get at is that this practice event is what I think it would have taken to lead this team in the first place.

[Calinks]

After reading the General Boards of various sites, Jimmy has managed to destroy the social, personal and professional persona of two guys 23 or younger. When I think of how much I still had to learn at the age of Wiggy and KAT, this saddens me. Jimmy is no leader of men...and not someone I can root for regardless of what jersey he wears.


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In the social media age, this has brought so much heat and ridicule to those guys. I am sure they are being eaten alive on all of that. Its a huge learning experience, no doubt he has made some part of them miserable with all of this. ESPN is laughing it up, enjoying the ride, great juicy gossip for the day. It's definitely a learning experience for Wiggins and KAT, we talk about brands in the NBA, theirs has taken a huge hit these last few months. This might even affect them financially as crazy at as that sounds.

[Pillendreher]

What a bunch of staged bull.

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