Trade Talk (Part Five)

[Wolveswin]

If wolves do those trades I’d honestly prefer to trade down even further from 8.
4-8 is just not a good spot in this draft. I expect Okongwu gone before 8 and Toppin has bust all over him
8+Vanderbilt,johnson and Nowell for 15/Gordon.

Then draft Saddiq Bey at 15 , Maxey at 17 , Perry or Riller at 33



Russell/????
Beasley/Maxey/???
Bey/Culver/Okogie
Gordon/Jauncho/Perry
Towns/Reid/????

Plus 2021 knicks and Hornet picks

I could live with that.

My full plan...

Trade 1:
#1 FOR #3 + 2021 Hornets 1st (Rosas earn your keep with (lack of) protections).

Trade 2:
Johnson + Culver + #33 FOR Murray + Lyles

Trade 3:
#3 (Ball I presume) + Spellman FOR Bridges + #10

Trade 4:
#10 + #17 + Evans or Vanderbilt FOR #7

Draft:
#7= Okongwu

C: Towns | Reid | Okongwu
F: Okongwu | Hernangomez | Lyles
F: Bridges | Hernangomez | Layman
G: Russell | Murray | Okogie
G: Murray | Russell | McJordan

*Beasley: ideally suspended and brought back on QO. He needs to earn way back, as scoring bench guard.

Idea is to get Murray to help Russell be the best guard he can be and turn into a true Robin. Same for Okongwu, can he help Towns get to next level. Hernangomez is re-signed and is change of pace-shooting-forward.

[KGdaBom]

Jack Borman from Canis Hoopus suggested this:

#1 for PJ Washington plus 2021 CHA 1st unprotected

CHA gets the #1 and #3.

Thoughts?

Nope. Washington is good, but next years pick could be too late to be a difference maker.

[Baseline81]

For discussion, here is the latest from NBASupes on Hawksquawk:

MIN has been aggressively trying to move down while over aggressively wanting to get the most for their buck. They have made it clear they want a future 2021 1st from a team they think will be a lottery team next year and yes, Atlanta is one of them. No one has bit. That may change. They really want in for 2021 but they want a high-quality pick. They are not willing to move back for GS own 2021 1st. The value of the 2021 1st round pick is seen as extremely high.

They are targeting teams they believe will be lottery teams. Ball seems to be the player they are targeting the most mainly due to trade value. There is a chance Ball could be the pick and he would not play a min in MIN.

NEW: This is probably the biggest deal on this list. This is hot off the presser. Jrue Holiday has become the target and there is a lot of interest from New Orleans and MIN. The only thing is Jrue must be willing to sign an extension as soon as he’s eligible which they (the NBA) are working on the date atm.

His extension could be nearing max range which will mean MIN has three max players under contract. The question is, does it make sense for MIN to have three max guys and still you have questions if this is a playoff team. There is a lot more to this potential deal than what I currently have so keep a look out for this deal.

This also highlights what I been hearing from NO of them looking for PG’s and seeing Lonzo Ball as a quick passing guard like Haliburton is getting seen as. Lonzo is Melo ying to Melo’s yang. This is big news.

[Neeva]

No way I trade the first pick for jrue Holiday straight up, must include 13 from Pelicans.

[KGdaBom]

For discussion, here is the latest from NBASupes on Hawksquawk:

MIN has been aggressively trying to move down while over aggressively wanting to get the most for their buck. They have made it clear they want a future 2021 1st from a team they think will be a lottery team next year and yes, Atlanta is one of them. No one has bit. That may change. They really want in for 2021 but they want a high-quality pick. They are not willing to move back for GS own 2021 1st. The value of the 2021 1st round pick is seen as extremely high.

They are targeting teams they believe will be lottery teams. Ball seems to be the player they are targeting the most mainly due to trade value. There is a chance Ball could be the pick and he would not play a min in MIN.

NEW: This is probably the biggest deal on this list. This is hot off the presser. Jrue Holiday has become the target and there is a lot of interest from New Orleans and MIN. The only thing is Jrue must be willing to sign an extension as soon as he’s eligible which they (the NBA) are working on the date atm.

His extension could be nearing max range which will mean MIN has three max players under contract. The question is, does it make sense for MIN to have three max guys and still you have questions if this is a playoff team. There is a lot more to this potential deal than what I currently have so keep a look out for this deal.

This also highlights what I been hearing from NO of them looking for PG’s and seeing Lonzo Ball as a quick passing guard like Haliburton is getting seen as. Lonzo is Melo ying to Melo’s yang. This is big news.

If we could be assured of Holiday signing an extension and could send out some bad contracts along with JJ I would be all over this deal. I think Holiday is a perfect fit for our team. He would be dynamic along with Russell.

[KGdaBom]

No way I trade the first pick for jrue Holiday straight up, must include 13 from Pelicans.

Do you realize how GOOD Holiday is? We just need to have him signed for a few years. If we can get 13 great, but I do it either way.

[IceManBK1]

No way I trade the first pick for jrue Holiday straight up, must include 13 from Pelicans.

Do you realize how GOOD Holiday is? We just need to have him signed for a few years. If we can get 13 great, but I do it either way.

Maybe #1+JJ and filler for Holiday+Favors(sign and trade)+#13. It makes sense if we want to make the playoffs. Improve our defense at SG and PF positions. We can do sth creative with #13 and #17. maybe try to move back into top 10. Maybe #13+Culver for Deandre Hunter?
Dlo and Towns would be surrounded by some solid defenders.

[KGdaBom]

No way I trade the first pick for jrue Holiday straight up, must include 13 from Pelicans.

Do you realize how GOOD Holiday is? We just need to have him signed for a few years. If we can get 13 great, but I do it either way.

Maybe #1+JJ and filler for Holiday+Favors(sign and trade)+#13. It makes sense if we want to make the playoffs. Improve our defense at SG and PF positions. We can do sth creative with #13 and #17. maybe try to move back into top 10. Maybe #13+Culver for Deandre Hunter?
Dlo and Towns would be surrounded by some solid defenders.

If they'll give us #13 in the deal awesome. We would already be getting the better of it. Holiday is a top 20 player and maybe better.

[Neeva]

No way I trade the first pick for jrue Holiday straight up, must include 13 from Pelicans.

Do you realize how GOOD Holiday is? We just need to have him signed for a few years. If we can get 13 great, but I do it either way.

Maybe #1+JJ and filler for Holiday+Favors(sign and trade)+#13. It makes sense if we want to make the playoffs. Improve our defense at SG and PF positions. We can do sth creative with #13 and #17. maybe try to move back into top 10. Maybe #13+Culver for Deandre Hunter?
Dlo and Towns would be surrounded by some solid defenders.

Deandre Hunter was awful last season. He turns 23 years old soon and he played like he was a inexperienced 19 year old rookie that did not deserve to be a top 5 draft pick. Not worth 13 AND Culver.

Only deal I might consider is 1, Culver, Johnson for Holiday, 13 and their lightly protected 2021 pick or 2022 pick.

[KGdaBom]

Do you realize how GOOD Holiday is? We just need to have him signed for a few years. If we can get 13 great, but I do it either way.

Maybe #1+JJ and filler for Holiday+Favors(sign and trade)+#13. It makes sense if we want to make the playoffs. Improve our defense at SG and PF positions. We can do sth creative with #13 and #17. maybe try to move back into top 10. Maybe #13+Culver for Deandre Hunter?
Dlo and Towns would be surrounded by some solid defenders.

Deandre Hunter was awful last season. He turns 23 years old soon and he played like he was a inexperienced 19 year old rookie that did not deserve to be a top 5 draft pick. Not worth 13 AND Culver.

Only deal I might consider is 1, Culver, Johnson for Holiday, 13 and their lightly protected 2021 pick or 2022 pick.

You make me laugh with your ridiculous demands all the time. We get the better of it straight up for Holiday with JJ and a couple bad contracts going out. You say we have to get 13 and next years only lightly protected #1. I'm sitting here laughing my a$$ off.

[Neeva]

Meh Holiday is good defensively but not a super star and you cant afford to have both Holiday and Russell on a max (along with Towns) Adding Holiday alone won’t make the wolves a playoff team . He couldnt lead a team with ingram (and zion) or even with Anthony Davis in 2019 to the playoffs. Not giving the Pelicans a young and exciting core of Wiseman(or Edwards) /ingram/zion for the next five years for the wolves to overpay 31 year old Jrue Holiday and still miss the playoffs.

[Neeva]

Maybe #1+JJ and filler for Holiday+Favors(sign and trade)+#13. It makes sense if we want to make the playoffs. Improve our defense at SG and PF positions. We can do sth creative with #13 and #17. maybe try to move back into top 10. Maybe #13+Culver for Deandre Hunter?
Dlo and Towns would be surrounded by some solid defenders.

Deandre Hunter was awful last season. He turns 23 years old soon and he played like he was a inexperienced 19 year old rookie that did not deserve to be a top 5 draft pick. Not worth 13 AND Culver.

Only deal I might consider is 1, Culver, Johnson for Holiday, 13 and their lightly protected 2021 pick or 2022 pick.

You make me laugh with your ridiculous demands all the time. We get the better of it straight up for Holiday with JJ and a couple bad contracts going out. You say we have to get 13 and next years only lightly protected #1. I'm sitting here laughing my a$$ off.

You overvalue some players. Even homer pelicans fans on the pelican board (not the one on this site since it’s a ghost town) were suggesting 13 and Jrue for 2 and filler or Jrue for Wiggins and 2. You really think Jrue for the first and expiring filler (johnson/evans/spellman) is a good deal for the wolves??

[shangrila]

13 and Jrue for 1 and salary is a deal I'd take and run.

[andyhop]

If the Wolves end up with Jrue it will further increase my belief that Rosas has no idea what he is doing and is just randomly doing stuff without having a plan

[KGdaBom]

Deandre Hunter was awful last season. He turns 23 years old soon and he played like he was a inexperienced 19 year old rookie that did not deserve to be a top 5 draft pick. Not worth 13 AND Culver.

Only deal I might consider is 1, Culver, Johnson for Holiday, 13 and their lightly protected 2021 pick or 2022 pick.

You make me laugh with your ridiculous demands all the time. We get the better of it straight up for Holiday with JJ and a couple bad contracts going out. You say we have to get 13 and next years only lightly protected #1. I'm sitting here laughing my a$$ off.

You overvalue some players. Even homer pelicans fans on the pelican board (not the one on this site since it’s a ghost town) were suggesting 13 and Jrue for 2 and filler or Jrue for Wiggins and 2. You really think Jrue for the first and expiring filler (johnson/evans/spellman) is a good deal for the wolves??

If we have him for years yes. If he's just a rental no. This proposal was made with the idea that we had an extended Holiday.

[KGdaBom]

Meh Holiday is good defensively but not a super star and you cant afford to have both Holiday and Russell on a max (along with Towns) Adding Holiday alone won’t make the wolves a playoff team . He couldnt lead a team with ingram (and zion) or even with Anthony Davis in 2019 to the playoffs. Not giving the Pelicans a young and exciting core of Wiseman(or Edwards) /ingram/zion for the next five years for the wolves to overpay 31 year old Jrue Holiday and still miss the playoffs.

Holiday is a great offensive player and Oh Yeah. He's one of the best defensive players in the game also. Top 20 player and fully worthy of a max contract. Those are the value contracts in the NBA just as much as the rookie contracts. I'm be happy to underpay for Holiday. He's every bit as good as Jimmy Butler for example.

[jpatrick]

Holiday is very good. He also turns 31 next year and is not an all star level player.

Are we going to give him a max? Paying him 30M+ per year as he approaches 35 years old? See how that Tobias Harris max is working for a non all-star.

I’d be okay with this if he was a true superstar that I thought would vault us to at least the WCF. Even with Holiday, I see us fighting for the 6-8 seed in the West with absolutely no way to improve in the future.

I’d be shocked if this was Rosas’ big swing.

[KGdaBom]

Holiday is very good. He also turns 31 next year and is not an all star level player.

Are we going to give him a max? Paying him 30M+ per year as he approaches 35 years old? See how that Tobias Harris max is working for a non all-star.

I’d be okay with this if he was a true superstar that I thought would vault us to at least the WCF. Even with Holiday, I see us fighting for the 6-8 seed in the West with absolutely no way to improve in the future.

I’d be shocked if this was Rosas’ big swing.

Reports are that he is trying for Holiday. If he is it's got to involve our #1 pick. You will be surprised how much better a player like Holiday would make us. He's a MUCH, MUCH better player than Russell.

[Merc_Porto]

Giving no.1 for Jrue ?

Geeez, NO, please, NO.

[minimus]

Meh Holiday is good defensively but not a super star and you cant afford to have both Holiday and Russell on a max (along with Towns) Adding Holiday alone won’t make the wolves a playoff team . He couldnt lead a team with ingram (and zion) or even with Anthony Davis in 2019 to the playoffs. Not giving the Pelicans a young and exciting core of Wiseman(or Edwards) /ingram/zion for the next five years for the wolves to overpay 31 year old Jrue Holiday and still miss the playoffs.

Holiday is a great offensive player and Oh Yeah. He's one of the best defensive players in the game also. Top 20 player and fully worthy of a max contract. Those are the value contracts in the NBA just as much as the rookie contracts. I'm be happy to underpay for Holiday. He's every bit as good as Jimmy Butler for example.

Usually, I strongly disagree with KGdaBom on many topics. But here, I would do mentioned trade in a heartbeat.

Jrue resigns for 120mil/4yrs deal, last year team option. We trade #1, JJ, Evans, Spellman for Jrue, #39

Jrue is an excellent fit next to DLo and KAT for many reasons:

* - he is an elite petemeter defender who can defend PG/SG/SF. He can defend PoA, he can act as team defender
* - he is a definition of comboguard who can score at three levels and involve teammates
* - he is a positive veteran presence in locker room, hard worker
* - he is a strong rebounder
* - he is a good slasher, and ballhandler unlike Beasley
* - he is an excellent fit in offense next to DLo and KAT. Russell and Towns are both elite scorers who can carry offensive load, they also are elite passers. They are not selfish, despite being elite scorers! They can create offense for others. I dont think that it was the case with NOP offense. Jrue might be ultra-efficient as 3rd option in offense and primary option in defense. Having DLo-KAT-Jrue triangle will make our offense more efficient, consistent

And finally. MIN for many years have not been able to assemble a decent roster with three stars. It is nearly impossible for a small market team. What was our best acquisition at SG? Kevin Martin? You don't think twice if such opportunity arises.