Trade Talk (Part 15): Trade Deadline Day (and onwards!)

[winforlose]

His leverage is that if we choose not to play ball, he can choose not to play ball. His player option gives him the power to do whatever is worse for us. Personally I think $30.9 is a reasonable contract, but it might not be reasonable for us, if he continues to not get with the program, and we need that money for Naz.

I couldn’t disagree more. If we sent him home for his refusal to play defense and terrible locker room presence then his career is in very serious danger. We leave him there the rest of this season he either opts out next season and signs a prove it deal (his value will be greatly diminished by being sent home and not being active for a year,) or he cashes the option and sits at home another year losing even more time while his game rusts. We have all the leverage and we aren’t using it. Frankly I would have him away from the team for the last 2 weeks if I was Finch. I would warn Ant that while I won’t send him away, his minutes and ability to start and end games will depend on his effort and ability to play within the scheme. Making Ant the backup SG for a weak sends a hell of message.

This would never happens in today’s NBA.

There are examples of teams not bringing a guy in after a trade just waiting to buyout. This model I described is the answer to a player who won’t follow the coaches scheme and who is a locker room negative. Finch might be too scared to do it, but it is the only way to salvage the season. As for Ant, when he says time after time I need to start listening to my coach, and doesn’t do it the next game, that is how you know he isn’t a leader. If he won’t lead, then you must make him follow, and the only thing Ant cares about is his reputation. Making him come off the bench for 3 games will send the message either you follow or you get exposed for your failures and your rep gets the hit it deserves.

[TimberKat]

I couldn’t disagree more. If we sent him home for his refusal to play defense and terrible locker room presence then his career is in very serious danger. We leave him there the rest of this season he either opts out next season and signs a prove it deal (his value will be greatly diminished by being sent home and not being active for a year,) or he cashes the option and sits at home another year losing even more time while his game rusts. We have all the leverage and we aren’t using it. Frankly I would have him away from the team for the last 2 weeks if I was Finch. I would warn Ant that while I won’t send him away, his minutes and ability to start and end games will depend on his effort and ability to play within the scheme. Making Ant the backup SG for a weak sends a hell of message.

This would never happens in today’s NBA.

There are examples of teams not bringing a guy in after a trade just waiting to buyout. This model I described is the answer to a player who won’t follow the coaches scheme and who is a locker room negative. Finch might be too scared to do it, but it is the only way to salvage the season. As for Ant, when he says time after time I need to start listening to my coach, and doesn’t do it the next game, that is how you know he isn’t a leader. If he won’t lead, then you must make him follow, and the only thing Ant cares about is his reputation. Making him come off the bench for 3 games will send the message either you follow or you get exposed for your failures and your rep gets the hit it deserves.

I think it's too late for that. You bench Ant, he will ask for a trade. Trade away players that wants to be here for players that doesn't is always a big mistake. Before Towns trade you still can trade Ant in worse case scenario. He haven't listened in 4 years and all that playing time on team USA isn't helping than maybe he also want to follow Towns and go to a big city.

If Randle plays the same way the rest of the season, he isn't going to get a bigger contract. I would make him the 6th man right now and let him opt in next year. Move him back to starting when things improve

[Loaf_of_bread]

This would never happens in today’s NBA.

There are examples of teams not bringing a guy in after a trade just waiting to buyout. This model I described is the answer to a player who won’t follow the coaches scheme and who is a locker room negative. Finch might be too scared to do it, but it is the only way to salvage the season. As for Ant, when he says time after time I need to start listening to my coach, and doesn’t do it the next game, that is how you know he isn’t a leader. If he won’t lead, then you must make him follow, and the only thing Ant cares about is his reputation. Making him come off the bench for 3 games will send the message either you follow or you get exposed for your failures and your rep gets the hit it deserves.

I think it's too late for that. You bench Ant, he will ask for a trade. Trade away players that wants to be here for players that doesn't is always a big mistake. Before Towns trade you still can trade Ant in worse case scenario. He haven't listened in 4 years and all that playing time on team USA isn't helping than maybe he also want to follow Towns and go to a big city.

If Randle plays the same way the rest of the season, he isn't going to get a bigger contract. I would make him the 6th man right now and let him opt in next year. Move him back to starting when things improve

Im not quite buying everything winforlose is saying, but if a player isn't following lead from a coach... go ahead and bench his ass... no reason to worry about them getting sensitive about it.

As for Randle, in his mind, he is a #1. He deserves to be the sixth man..would be interesting to see if that motivates him, or he demanded a trade. Either way it's time for Finch to lead.. if he can't, he's needs to go.

[Norseman79]

How wasn't all of this talked about and clear before the trade was even made. Feels like the trade was a knee jerk or that it was a demand from ownership. The fit as a whole, I mean play style, personality, etc....nothing felt right when they made the trade, nothing feels right now. I tried giving this time to change my mind, but we blew this one badly.

[Loaf_of_bread]

How wasn't all of this talked about and clear before the trade was even made. Feels like the trade was a knee jerk or that it was a demand from ownership. The fit as a whole, I mean play style, personality, etc....nothing felt right when they made the trade, nothing feels right now. I tried giving this time to change my mind, but we blew this one badly.

Randle was a risk, he has a reputation of selfishness/not being a team player. We weren't going to win a championship with KAT.

Respect TC for the attempt.. maybe thought Randle may embrace an opportunity to be apart of a championship team... unfortunately Randle has an ego problem.

[m2002brian]

Jazz are having a fire sale. Maybe we can swap Randle as an expiring for Collins

Could make it a little more complicated and add a third team to bring back another big also.

[winforlose]

Jazz are having a fire sale. Maybe we can swap Randle as an expiring for Collins

Could make it a little more complicated and add a third team to bring back another big also.

At some point Ainge will have more picks than roster spots and have to draft guys just to not sign them. Of course Utah might fire his *** before then, but I could see it.

[Loaf_of_bread]

Jazz are having a fire sale. Maybe we can swap Randle as an expiring for Collins

Could make it a little more complicated and add a third team to bring back another big also.

Kat for lauri would have been so good.

[Loaf_of_bread]

Jazz are having a fire sale. Maybe we can swap Randle as an expiring for Collins

Could make it a little more complicated and add a third team to bring back another big also.

He'd be good for us, but what asset are you willing to give up? Wouldn't be a swap.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

I find people here hard with ANT. He is very young , his first year as the team leader. kAT departure has change the deal, he is clearly the number one without number2. Give him some times. Don Mitchell start to mature enough now at the cavs. For Randle I don’t like him as he do not play défense so he is not fitting in our identity. Trade him won’t affect the team performance much. Paying him 30 or 35 millions will mean FO are out of their minds !

[cmoss84]

Let's talk 1 player in a trade for Randle. Does not have to be sexy. We are talking fit. Who is a realistic guy (glue guy?) we can get for Randle...and maybe Minott. I am still all about going after Zubac. But will never happen.
Who would you target and why? 1 guy.

[winforlose]

Let's talk 1 player in a trade for Randle. Does not have to be sexy. We are talking fit. Who is a realistic guy (glue guy?) we can get for Randle...and maybe Minott. I am still all about going after Zubac. But will never happen.
Who would you target and why? 1 guy.

I think you are on the right track, but I would like to change your question. Assume Randle gives you 21.2/6.9/4.1 On 50.2/33.7/80.7 shooting in 34.3 MPG, (all stats come from Siri but I assume they are correct.) Assume Naz can replace some of this with an increase to his minutes, what one player can replace the rest and give you either better defense, better fit, or both? They also must make less than Randle and preferably come from a non tax team (flexibility in the trade.)

As for trading Minott, one injury to Naz or the replacement and you will be kicking yourself. The kid just turned 22 and is looking like a hybrid of MCD and V8. He might bust, but he is dirt cheap and has a ton of potential with relatively easy team control pathways. You don’t give that away, you just don’t.

[minimus]

Probably my most intriguing trade idea, haha. Cam Johnson and Kessler Walker are out of price range, TC and Karnishovas worked together in DEN.

Randle for Lonzo Ball, Jalen Smith.

Gobert/Smith/Garza
Reid/Minott/Miller
MCD/NAW/TJ/Ingles
Edwards/DDV + Clark
Conley/Dillingham/Ball + Nix

[Guidus88]

MIN - WAS trade (After Dec 15th):

MIN out: Randle
MIN in: Brogdon - Valanciunas

I'd add also some draft capital to make it happens.

[Klomp]

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[thinktank]

I just looked around and couldn't find a single good deal for Randle.

[Klomp]

Let's talk 1 player in a trade for Randle. Does not have to be sexy. We are talking fit. Who is a realistic guy (glue guy?) we can get for Randle...and maybe Minott. I am still all about going after Zubac. But will never happen.
Who would you target and why? 1 guy.

I think if Randle is the outgoing player, there is no singular player who will come back to Minnesota in a trade. I am 95% confident that any trade will be for multiple players in return.

[Klomp]

I'm going to beat the NAW for Kessler drum until the trade deadline comes.

I know that NAW is playing as arguably one of our best, most well-rounded players right now, but I think a swap like this would open so much.

-Gives us 48 minutes of back line defense, shot blocking and rebounding
-Lessens the back court log jam, which opens up minutes for Rob
-Additionally, Finch would feel more comfortable going to Rob with a 7-footer there instead of Randle/Naz
-Allows Naz to focus more on offense
-48 minutes of Conley/Dillingham creates better flow for role players like Reid, DiVincenzo, McDaniels, etc.

I think it will go until the deadline. I'm guessing adding a third team would be in play as well, in order to maximize Utah's return. I bet Tim will try his hardest to hold onto the DET 1st. If he has to give it up though, I'm willing to part with it in order to make all of the above happen.

[TimberKat]

It would seem our best trading partners are SAC, NOP, DET and POR. I am wondering if we trade Ant, what can we get in return?

[frankenwolf]

I'm going to beat the NAW for Kessler drum until the trade deadline comes.

I know that NAW is playing as arguably one of our best, most well-rounded players right now, but I think a swap like this would open so much.

-Gives us 48 minutes of back line defense, shot blocking and rebounding
-Lessens the back court log jam, which opens up minutes for Rob
-Additionally, Finch would feel more comfortable going to Rob with a 7-footer there instead of Randle/Naz
-Allows Naz to focus more on offense
-48 minutes of Conley/Dillingham creates better flow for role players like Reid, DiVincenzo, McDaniels, etc.

I think it will go until the deadline. I'm guessing adding a third team would be in play as well, in order to maximize Utah's return. I bet Tim will try his hardest to hold onto the DET 1st. If he has to give it up though, I'm willing to part with it in order to make all of the above happen.

IDK Klomp, I don't think that Ainge is going to trade Kessler to us, period. I don't like the NAW for Kessler deal, but I don't have any good ideas to make us any better, either. I despised the KAT trade and really thought they could have won the championship this year, despite what others say. Oh, well, water under the bridge.