Trade Talk (Part Six)

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

We don’t have the shooters like the splash bros for dray to have that big of an impact.

[Worm Guts]

We don’t have the shooters like the splash bros for dray to have that big of an impact.

I don’t think you make the trade for Green. You make it for the young assets, and maybe even flip Green.

I think it’s a respectable offer. I don’t know that it would be the best offer.

[Baseline81]

Warrior fan...come in peace (but I still be it irks you I'm here lol).
Do you guys vomit on the following?
Draymond, Wiseman (or #7 pick), #14 pick for KAT?
I think my own board would shoot me...but I think Draymond would be good for a team that needs a new identity, vet and defensive attituded. You get your pick back or Wiseman and the #14th.

Vomit?

That sound you hear is the other end of the phone hanging up on you.

With the way Ball and Edwards have played, Wiseman appears to be a tough pill to swallow for Golden State fans. Not sure why you think he'd be the headliner in a deal for Towns.

[shrink]

Warrior fan...come in peace (but I still be it irks you I'm here lol).
Do you guys vomit on the following?
Draymond, Wiseman (or #7 pick), #14 pick for KAT?
I think my own board would shoot me...but I think Draymond would be good for a team that needs a new identity, vet and defensive attituded. You get your pick back or Wiseman and the #14th.

Vomit?

Yeah, I don’t think MIN trades Towns, but even if they do, a trade would need one headliner. It is just too difficult for MIN to draw a star for Rosas to sell a deal like this to ticket-buying fans.

And no, I don’t think Draymond in MIN would be as uplifting for us as he was for you when he was playing for championships.

Finally, very bad optics for the best part of a Towns trade to be having our MIN pick returned.

[IceManBK1]

I'm just hoping for turner or Bobby Portis/Larry Nance Jr/Lauri Markkannen for PF
And few options at guard like Patrick Beverly, Avery Bradley, Kris Dunn and KCP.

[shrink]

Warrior fan...come in peace (but I still be it irks you I'm here lol).
Do you guys vomit on the following?
Draymond, Wiseman (or #7 pick), #14 pick for KAT?
I think my own board would shoot me...but I think Draymond would be good for a team that needs a new identity, vet and defensive attituded. You get your pick back or Wiseman and the #14th.

Vomit?

You are looking at the wrong center.

GSW needs a center that can shoot three’s and is ultra-cheap, since you don’t have the pieces to match salary for a more experienced player.

You should be asking about Naz Reid.

[SO_MONEY]

Warrior fan...come in peace (but I still be it irks you I'm here lol).
Do you guys vomit on the following?
Draymond, Wiseman (or #7 pick), #14 pick for KAT?
I think my own board would shoot me...but I think Draymond would be good for a team that needs a new identity, vet and defensive attituded. You get your pick back or Wiseman and the #14th.

Vomit?

Yeah, I don’t think MIN trades Towns, but even if they do, a trade would need one headliner. It is just too difficult for MIN to draw a star for Rosas to sell a deal like this to ticket-buying fans.

And no, I don’t think Draymond in MIN would be as uplifting for us as he was for you when he was playing for championships.

Finally, very bad optics for the best part of a Towns trade to be having our MIN pick returned.

I don't know, I guess it depends on your definition of headliner. We would probably want a couple young players, a bunch of picks and whatever filler to make things work. By no means do I think we expect a established young player who is already showing signs of being a star...and that I guess would be a headliner to me anyways.

[zimpy27]

I'm just hoping for turner or Bobby Portis/Larry Nance Jr/Lauri Markkannen for PF
And few options at guard like Patrick Beverly, Avery Bradley, Kris Dunn and KCP.

Thad Young for Rubio or Beasley

[Norseman79]

I may be mistaken, it happens, but I believe one of the things Finch had mentioned was the need to get bigger in the front court. When I see some of the names people have thrown around, they don't fill that need. I'm not saying that they aren't solid players, I'm saying that they don't make us bigger in the front court. My guess, "guess", is that they are looking for a 6'10+ guy who can defend multiple positions, rebound, and ideally stick a corner three or run the floor as a slasher/lob option, or at least not be a total liability on offense. Try putting together a list of players that may be attainable that fit that description.

[Knoxz]

I may be mistaken, it happens, but I believe one of the things Finch had mentioned was the need to get bigger in the front court. When I see some of the names people have thrown around, they don't fill that need. I'm not saying that they aren't solid players, I'm saying that they don't make us bigger in the front court. My guess, "guess", is that they are looking for a 6'10+ guy who can defend multiple positions, rebound, and ideally stick a corner three or run the floor as a slasher/lob option, or at least not be a total liability on offense. Try putting together a list of players that may be attainable that fit that description.

Usman Garuba

[Norseman79]

I may be mistaken, it happens, but I believe one of the things Finch had mentioned was the need to get bigger in the front court. When I see some of the names people have thrown around, they don't fill that need. I'm not saying that they aren't solid players, I'm saying that they don't make us bigger in the front court. My guess, "guess", is that they are looking for a 6'10+ guy who can defend multiple positions, rebound, and ideally stick a corner three or run the floor as a slasher/lob option, or at least not be a total liability on offense. Try putting together a list of players that may be attainable that fit that description.

Usman Garuba

Garuba would be in the draft and is also only listed at 6'8. I know the argument about wingspan vs height, but that doesn't qualify as 6'10+

[slick21]

1. Ant’s speech this long after the season was over makes me change my mind, and think that Rubio is going to be around next year.

2. It would have been nice to get the pick now, but giving it up means we are now free to trade our 2022 pick, with whatever protections we want, and without any Stepian restrictions. I would prefer keeping the pick as insurance.

3. Missing out on this pick may push us to be more win-now, rather than going through another rebuild on Ant-Cade’s timeframe.

I think that 2022 first round pick is used this summer. As you said, Rosas and Finch will be aiming for the playoffs.

Since the Wolves have traded their 2021 pick, isn't 2023 the 1st year that they can trade their draft pick?

[NebWolvesFan]

1. Ant’s speech this long after the season was over makes me change my mind, and think that Rubio is going to be around next year.

2. It would have been nice to get the pick now, but giving it up means we are now free to trade our 2022 pick, with whatever protections we want, and without any Stepian restrictions. I would prefer keeping the pick as insurance.

3. Missing out on this pick may push us to be more win-now, rather than going through another rebuild on Ant-Cade’s timeframe.

I think that 2022 first round pick is used this summer. As you said, Rosas and Finch will be aiming for the playoffs.

Since the Wolves have traded their 2021 pick, isn't 2023 the 1st year that they can trade their draft pick?

Once the 2021 draft ends, the Wolves can trade their 2022 pick. The rule is you can't trade FUTURE picks in back to back years. After the draft, the Wolves will own all of their picks and therefore can trade any of them, just not two back-to-back ones. For example, Minnesota could trade 2022 and 2024 if 2022 is unprotected.

[TaylorTag]

I’ve been under the assumption that the Wolves would be aggressive this off-season but losing the pick hurts and I am just not seeing the move here.

If we try to bring in a “star” (someone with a big contract) it would mean we have to include Rubio in the trade and he is a negative asset at this point, which means we would inevitably need a third team to make this work..

Which is fine but there are so many teams in our tier that have better assets than us (at least ones that are willing to give up)..

I thought it was possible for us to make something work for Ben Simmons, but Bill Simmons on his pod last night suggested Orlando trade #5 and #8 for him, which is just insane and something the Wolves can’t match.

With teams like Orlando and OKC out there with a war chest, it will be hard to get in the sweepstakes.

I’m beginning to think we won’t see a huge move this off-season. If that’s the case, I hope Rosas is trying to find a clever way to leverage Culver and any remaining value he has for a player that can at least guard front court players..

Think our time would be better served looking at those trades than a blockbuster.

Another guy who I can see fetching something good in return is Okogie.. he’s on the last year of his deal and seems to have some respect in the league.. if we could trade Okogie for a frontcourt player of his caliber, then that could be a win for us..

I am watching Okogie, Culver and Layman this off-season. One of those guys may have to be moved anyway if we hope to bring Bolmaro over

[Chello1]

I don’t see Twolves trading D-Lo for Simmons when part of the push to do so would becoming from D-Lo & Towns.

Rubio + Beasley + FRP (top 3) is the deal to get Simmons if Twolves are interested.

No one is sending a top 3 pick for Simmons, enough with that nonsense.

I’m not saying Twolves should…I don’t think we should go after Simmons. But the deal to make it happen if Twolves are interested in getting Simmons would need to include top 3 pick + Beasley + Rubio. Any other package and someone will go over the top on Twolves. Minnesota doesn’t really have a win-now player available for 76ers which they will be looking for in a Simmons deal. Other teams can offer more than Beasley…so Twolves would need to send 2021 top 3 pick if the lottery is won tonight.

They will not get a top three pick for him! No Way!

[SO_MONEY]

So? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

I'd imagine your tune would be a bit different if Orlando landed a top-3 pick. The "I told you so" would have been flowing...

I wouldn't have. I don't catalog everything I or others say because it is unimportant. Whether we got the pick or not is equally unimportant, the spirit of what I said holds and we knew it would when I said it regardless of outcome. I haven't given it a second thought...just saying.

[SO_MONEY]

What doesn't add up is knowing that there is a good chance we don't make the playoffs and we would be hoping KAT doesn't try to force his way out, reducing his potential value if he puts out a list of teams he wants. If you let this play out it can backfire, hell, even if we make the playoffs there is no guarantee Towns doesn't do this. And let's face it this team isn't going to win championships. Maximizing assets on a capped out team is how you build winners. If you think they are fine pretty much with were we are, maybe you are right, but Rosas knows he is going to get fired for it. I hope we have some managerial courage and competitive spirit.

If healthy, this team should, at the very least, make the play-in game. I don't think Rosas loses his job for that. At that point, he'll have to improve the squad further or possibly look to deal Towns.

My issue here, though, is why can't the Wolves be "mediocre" for a season or two? It's at that point you see teams start making trades to take the next step. If that falters, then a rebuild is in order.

The issue besides, fans losing interest, with being mediocre has more to do with the fact time is a finite resource. If you wait you lose leverage, if you wait you have to pay your players preventing having both maximum space and cheap talent concurrently the best a quickest way to accelerate a rebuild. You can be mediocre it just doesn't serve a benefit.

[TaylorTag]

Ok, here's an idea...

Is there anyway we could build a trade around Okogie and Mitchell Robinson?

I have heard from Knicks fans that they love the idea of reuniting Okogie with Thibs.

Robinson seems to be on the outside looking in as far as the Knicks' front-court rotation.

Robinson gives us a rim protector and gives the Knicks a perimeter defender..

Okogie will make $2M more than Robinson next year, but I think the Knicks could absorb that difference, and that would also help us make room to bring Bolmaro over

[IceManBK1]

Can Kat play PF? We can pair him with the likes of Nerlens Noel, Mitchell Robinson, Serge Ibaka, Jarett Allen through trade.

[SO_MONEY]

Can Kat play PF? We can pair him with the likes of Nerlens Noel, Mitchell Robinson, Serge Ibaka, Jarett Allen through trade.

I don't like it one bit, KAT is a C.