Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

[Jedzz]

After reading the General Boards of various sites, Jimmy has managed to destroy the social, personal and professional persona of two guys 23 or younger. When I think of how much I still had to learn at the age of Wiggy and KAT, this saddens me. Jimmy is no leader of men...and not someone I can root for regardless of what jersey he wears.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I think that's reaching a bit to say he's done all that to these two guys. It's fine if that's your opinion. I wouldn't agree. I said guys just as you said guys. 23 is five years older then 18 year old boys that can die in battle for this country. Towns is 23 next month. Wiggins is 24 in January. When you are 80 you will probably wish you could go back to tell yourself at 40 how dumb you were being then. Those thoughts are relative. These are men making their own beds like everyone else must. Some people don't have successful examples working with them everyday like these two have. They also had KG for a short spell. Please think about backing off the excuses for them as being "young". But that's your choice.

The story about how Teague and others thought the Bucks were looking so much better because they believed that team played together more this summer speaks to what this team is missing. They are missing a team that even wants to play together, ever.

You could entertain the idea that Butler is angry about even wasting time of his career here. He might have had hopes for this move to come here that may have been thrashed by young guys that weren't wise enough to see what he could share with them.

[bondom34]

I honestly don't think anyone came out looking well from an outsider. Thibs/Layden seem to be doing everything wrong, Taylor still is a bad owner, Butler is right about KAT and Wiggins but wrong in doing it this way, and KAT and Wiggins just are still the same two players with the same obvious issues Butler's talking about.

[shangrila]

Yes. Butler wants to be appreciated, and by that he means a contract that he deserves. Long story short, he wants "honest" contact negotiations between him and the organization.

If they say Butler is very important to the organization (verbally), but don't have action behind it (super maximum contact) - this is what isn't being honest to him.

That appears to be it. Happens everywhere. Verbally love and want you. Won't actually prove it. (We love and want you, for the next 2.5 years anyway.)

I also have a feeling Butler's thoughts about what he should demand for pay are compared in his mind to those he plays with. If he was playing with Steph Curry, Lebron James, and Kevin Durant and they all signed 3 year deals with his team, I think Butler would take a three year deal as well. I don't think he's demanding a supermax in a bottle. He's looking at what this team is blowing on lessor players and asking why not him instead.

Butler and Taj Gibson made this team a winner last year and they play second fiddle in respect to who exactly? I have to believe that along with building a real winner plays a large part in this. Obviously he thinks highly of himself.

Yep, that's what it is. Butler hinted at it during the interview. The Wolves keep telling him how important he is to the organization (wins, defense, etc.) - they just need to show it.

How? They offered him the most they possibly could this summer. Unless they flat out told him they weren't going to offer him the max next year, when they're ACTUALLY ABLE TO, there's no leg to stand on.

Unless he got greedy and wanted to renegotiate and is now upset that the Wolves weren't able to clear somewhere in the ballpark of 40mil off the books. In which case he'd be a moron.

[Jedzz]

I honestly don't think anyone came out looking well from an outsider. Thibs/Layden seem to be doing everything wrong, Taylor still is a bad owner, Butler is right about KAT and Wiggins but wrong in doing it this way, and KAT and Wiggins just are still the same two players with the same obvious issues Butler's talking about.

There really is no way around all that. That all seems to be the case.

If I'm searching for positives to move forward with I would have to say I've appreciated the outward honesty from a player like Teague who still remains professional about everything. And then Taj Gibson who is a spotless professional by all accounts on the court and in the media that I've seen. Okogie's energy and drive might save the entertainment value of the season at some point if he plays enough.

[theGreatRC]

I'm watching more of the interview and I think he's pissed about two things;

1. We didn't clear more cap this summer to give him a bigger contract extension..Rachel asked him if it was true that he wanted a shorter contract offer for MORE money from Minnesota and he said yes.

2. Players on the team (It's assumed it's Wiggs and Towns from the tone of it) don't care about winning like he does.


Also, Woj just said on ESPN that it's a good thing that he's coming to practice tomorrow because this is what Thibs wants all along. We're getting trash offers and Thibs would rather have Jimmy play than trade him to try to get back into the playoffs..TBH i'd rather have Jimmy than Richardson, Bam, Eric Gordon or PJ (Obviously), but why do I get a weird vibe from this interview that he doesn't NEED to be traded, but he wants to be taken care of (Financially) and he wants the team to give more effort(Wiggs and Towns)

If he's still here past friday...we're gonna see if he really meant his words if the rumors of his "deadline" are true

[bondom34]

I honestly don't think anyone came out looking well from an outsider. Thibs/Layden seem to be doing everything wrong, Taylor still is a bad owner, Butler is right about KAT and Wiggins but wrong in doing it this way, and KAT and Wiggins just are still the same two players with the same obvious issues Butler's talking about.

There really is no way around all that. That all seems to be the case.

If I'm searching for positives to move forward with I would have to say I've appreciated the outward honesty from a player like Teague who still remains professional about everything. And then Taj Gibson who is a spotless professional by all accounts on the court and in the media that I've seen. Okogie's energy and drive might save the entertainment value of the season at some point if he plays enough.

Your team just had its best year in 14 seasons, and you really didn't lose anything for trying. It's still a win to me, just the ending is awful and showed some big flaws

[Loyal[]Wolf]

That appears to be it. Happens everywhere. Verbally love and want you. Won't actually prove it. (We love and want you, for the next 2.5 years anyway.)

I also have a feeling Butler's thoughts about what he should demand for pay are compared in his mind to those he plays with. If he was playing with Steph Curry, Lebron James, and Kevin Durant and they all signed 3 year deals with his team, I think Butler would take a three year deal as well. I don't think he's demanding a supermax in a bottle. He's looking at what this team is blowing on lessor players and asking why not him instead.

Butler and Taj Gibson made this team a winner last year and they play second fiddle in respect to who exactly? I have to believe that along with building a real winner plays a large part in this. Obviously he thinks highly of himself.

Yep, that's what it is. Butler hinted at it during the interview. The Wolves keep telling him how important he is to the organization (wins, defense, etc.) - they just need to show it.

How? They offered him the most they possibly could this summer. Unless they flat out told him they weren't going to offer him the max next year, when they're ACTUALLY ABLE TO, there's no leg to stand on.

Unless he got greedy and wanted to renegotiate and is now upset that the Wolves weren't able to clear somewhere in the ballpark of 40mil off the books. In which case he'd be a moron.

He basically felt the organization slapped him in the face because they weren't being truthfully honest with him. On one side the organization tells him he means everything to him, but the contract says otherwise. Can it be repaired? Yes. But, Butler doesn't think so.

[Jedzz]

I agree up until the last paragraph. Maybe he does care a lot about winning, but if that's true why is he naming Clippers, Knicks and Nets, them later Heat, as teams he'd like to be traded to? They all suck.
It's all about the Benjamin's. Keep in mind, his current contract was old TV deal max- he hasn't cashed in like most stars.

I wouldn't doubt those team choices have something to do with money they could pay him. But it has also been brought up that the same capspace some are claiming he wants to eat all of with a supermax could also allow him to help build a team along with other star players that also would demand to be paid fairly. Keeping his bird rights intact isn't just a positive for the total he could be paid. It's a helpful cap tool for teams as well and so those team's situations along with his favorable bird rights might make something possible.

[Dalvin]

Butler was already very low for me. But what he did today? Made me lose all respect towards him.

All the talent in the world but with that kind of attitude? I don't care if you're a top 10~15 whatever player, if you can't give respect to your teammates. You're not a leader. (Again, don't compare his ugly attitude with KG. They're not even in the same league, KG is waaaaay more better than that punk)

All that hard work and effort to be a good player and earning a lot of money still didn't change his character.
You really can't buy class.

[Rookie-Mistake]

Butler was already very low for me. But what he did today? Made me lose all respect towards him.

All the talent in the world but with that kind of attitude? I don't care if you're a top 10~15 whatever player, if you can't give respect to your teammates. You're not a leader. (Again, don't compare his ugly attitude with KG. They're not even in the same league, KG is waaaaay more better than that punk)

All that hard work and effort to be a good player and earning a lot of money still didn't change his character.
You really can't buy class.

He looked like someone with mental health issues today

[Loyal[]Wolf]

If he's still here past friday...we're gonna see if he really meant his words if the rumors of his "deadline" are true

Five Reasons Sports Network (Miami) isn't an accurate source. So, expect him to still be here.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Just throw jimmy, wiggs, and kat with deng in a room together and let them sort it out.

Jimmy is an ass. Kat has no heart. Wiggs is a stiff.

Yet, they managed to hold the 3rd seed until jimmys injury. If there is a way to salvage it and jimmy practicing again is a start. You do.

[Rookie-Mistake]

I don't know if there's a better one out there, but here is one.

Watch on YouTube

He really does miss the point.. I think the youth showed maturity by not dropping to his level and not getting lippy.

[shangrila]

Yep, that's what it is. Butler hinted at it during the interview. The Wolves keep telling him how important he is to the organization (wins, defense, etc.) - they just need to show it.

How? They offered him the most they possibly could this summer. Unless they flat out told him they weren't going to offer him the max next year, when they're ACTUALLY ABLE TO, there's no leg to stand on.

Unless he got greedy and wanted to renegotiate and is now upset that the Wolves weren't able to clear somewhere in the ballpark of 40mil off the books. In which case he'd be a moron.

He basically felt the organization slapped him in the face because they weren't being truthfully honest with him. On one side the organization tells him he means everything to him, but the contract says otherwise. Can it be repaired? Yes. But, Butler doesn't think so.

Again, how? They did everything they could legally. Unless he honestly expected them to gut the team in order to renegotiate a contract he willingly signed?

[Mattya]

But he would have to act exactly like this and want to stay and keep doing it while a bunch of Minnesotans cry out that the devil just maimed them. He might also have to do it for less. All of which is why we finally got this drama show. Just too late to help anyone or himself.

Let’s just cut the rest of that blabbering nonsense out because it has nothing to do with any of my points and most is just straw man fallacies or admission of ignorance.

This last point is pure BS. All you need to do is look back at Kevin Love. He didn’t go around crying like Jimmy. He let the Wolves work out a trade. Which took twice as long at the beginning of that offseason. Jimmy requests a trade a week before the season starts, complains to the media at least every other day. Now this little ESPN day time scripted drama. Of course if you are trying to undermine the team trying to trade you, it’s going to be a more difficult task to find a trade, doesn’t mean the Wolves should take the garbage they have been offered.

Okay so you don't like my fallacies and I'm ignorant. That's fine. But let's not revise history on Kevin Love. Otay? I'm not arguing that you are wrong about Butler's recent actions.

I also don't know what your point is about. It certainly is not about "my last point of pure BS". My point there is that this is how he actually might have been able to run practices last year and it might have created a team in the end. I'm not sure that many would agree with me. It's just something I felt was needed last year. It's strange to me that it took him no longer caring about the team to show this much leadership to these players and this coach right now.

To your Love points.
Kevin Love was leaking that he would leave this place if he didn't get maxed, very early on. At a time when you couldn't sign multiple players to max deals like today. Many years before this team should have had to worry about it, it was a constant concern. After much bickering and time, finally signs a 4 year deal with the Wolves only on condition of a player option in year 3. Thus forcing the Wolves to start immediately with plans for growing a team without him. The trade of Love was all Love wanted. It took two wasted Wolves years to get done.

Aside from constant looming contract issue leaks from Love, he liked to pressure teammates by dropping small bombs in the media about them. "Who the team puts around him" and being the designated 5 year were the only narratives he wanted to discuss. His trade finally came in August leaving this team to blow at least one year learning about the mixed bag of return they got for him. It was no better a situation than we really see today.

I am not a fan of how Butler handled this summer and waiting until this late to demand to be moved. But I also don't much blame him for wanting off this team at this time. I hate that it hurts this season of Wolves ball. What I was trying to get at is that this practice event is what I think it would have taken to lead this team in the first place.

Comparing Love and Butler trade requests are night and day. Worst thing Love did during his actual trade request was go to a Red Sox game. Never bickered on social media about teammates. He might not have liked them, but find me an ESPN interview of him saying Beasley and Martin not playing hard. Constant looming contract negotiate happen with every player. Find me any instance of a player demanding out a week before training camp. You can look back at the trade in hindsight of what Wiggins and the rest of the trade became, but there is no doubt our return at the time was one of the best any team trading a star returned. Now imagine if Love waited til a week before training camp and screamed at teammates when he had to fulfil his contract. Love had his own issues you can criticize, but it sure wasn’t how he handled the trade request, especially in comparison to Butler.

I want the Wolves to get the best package for Butler, relationship is too fractured at this point. But that best package better not be taking on other teams garbage contracts. Butler’s antics today only hurt the Wolves more, if he hurts them enough, then I don’t see why they shouldn’t hit back harder and refuse to trade him at all.

Demands a trade a week before training camp when teams are preparing for the season to start, then he is mad they didn’t trade him the first week, and second week, and now a month to trade him? Idk sounds a little self absorbed to me.

[Mattya]

How? They offered him the most they possibly could this summer. Unless they flat out told him they weren't going to offer him the max next year, when they're ACTUALLY ABLE TO, there's no leg to stand on.

Unless he got greedy and wanted to renegotiate and is now upset that the Wolves weren't able to clear somewhere in the ballpark of 40mil off the books. In which case he'd be a moron.

He basically felt the organization slapped him in the face because they weren't being truthfully honest with him. On one side the organization tells him he means everything to him, but the contract says otherwise. Can it be repaired? Yes. But, Butler doesn't think so.

Again, how? They did everything they could legally. Unless he honestly expected them to gut the team in order to renegotiate a contract he willingly signed?

This is were critical think should be kicking in. Taylor was willing to spend 10 mil a season on Bazz, 17 for Dieng, 30 for Wiggins, millions on the Target Center,, but now he isn’t willing to sign Butler?

What’s more likely that, or the guy who demanded a trade a week before training camp, screamed at teammates after showing up to practice a month later, while explaining that “you can’t win without me” is constructive criticism, is just trying to spin the story to make him not look like a locker room problem yet again?

[theGreatRC]

I learned this from Shrink, they couldn't sign Jimmy to what he wanted because we needed to shed contracts to make cap space, but we didn't

Jimmy probably wanted that to happen so he could be "taken care of" and Glen/Thibs probably said it'll happen, but when contract extensions came into play, the max we could offer wasn't what Jimmy thought it was going to be.

Technically, we COULD give him the most money next summer, but can this relationship be fixed? *Kanye shrug*

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Butler was already very low for me. But what he did today? Made me lose all respect towards him.

All the talent in the world but with that kind of attitude? I don't care if you're a top 10~15 whatever player, if you can't give respect to your teammates. You're not a leader. (Again, don't compare his ugly attitude with KG. They're not even in the same league, KG is waaaaay more better than that punk)

All that hard work and effort to be a good player and earning a lot of money still didn't change his character.
You really can't buy class.

I honestly get your point...


I see it as we have 70,000,000 invested in kat and wiggins. The 2 should cornerstone players. Wiggins especially has shown he has zero pride to get any better. Kat is as fragile As a newborn.

If this blow up the doesnt raise their game...then what are we doing? (Im going to steal taylor twellmans rant world cup rant here) the definition of insanity is doing everything the same while knowing the result. What are we doing here? We're insane knowing our cornerstones will get us maybe 40 wins. What are we doing?

Jimmy needed to do this. His quote of who is the most talented? Kat. Whos the better specimen? Wiggs. Who is the hardest worker? I am.

What are we doing? Whats the point in following any of this if we're worried about the most talented and most impressive players feelings? They obviously have shown they give little **** about getting better. Theyre young...but 70,000,000 per year on 2 guys is too much just to be classy about it

[Loyal[]Wolf]

Butler was already very low for me. But what he did today? Made me lose all respect towards him.

All the talent in the world but with that kind of attitude? I don't care if you're a top 10~15 whatever player, if you can't give respect to your teammates. You're not a leader. (Again, don't compare his ugly attitude with KG. They're not even in the same league, KG is waaaaay more better than that punk)

All that hard work and effort to be a good player and earning a lot of money still didn't change his character.
You really can't buy class.

Interesting.

I can see you're the type of player & person that wouldn't offend teammates, family members, etc. even if it's the truth; which is fine, everyone has their own personality and I respect that.

For example, if a family member of mine was drinking or eating a toxic substance (and knew it wasn't good for them), I'm going to speak up because I care about that person - even if it offends them because it's the truth. The same would go for a sports teammate. If my teammate wasn't working in the gym to become the best player he could be, or isn't playing the game the right way, or is having mental lapses - I'm going to speak up because I care about the player and the team - even if it offends the person because it's the truth.

I love what he did and I understand his reasoning behind it. Maybe it's because I'm very competitive and hard-nosed type of person myself, and I would want someone to be truthful & bold to me the same way if wasn't doing the right thing, playing up to par, etc. I would love Butler as a teammate, but I understand some people wouldn't.

We should respect players, and people for who they are and their differences.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Butler was already very low for me. But what he did today? Made me lose all respect towards him.

All the talent in the world but with that kind of attitude? I don't care if you're a top 10~15 whatever player, if you can't give respect to your teammates. You're not a leader. (Again, don't compare his ugly attitude with KG. They're not even in the same league, KG is waaaaay more better than that punk)

All that hard work and effort to be a good player and earning a lot of money still didn't change his character.
You really can't buy class.

Interesting.

I can see you're the type of player & person that wouldn't offend teammates, family members, etc. even if it's the truth; which is fine, everyone has their own personality and I respect that.

For example, if a family member of mine was drinking or eating a toxic substance (and knew it wasn't good for them), I'm going to speak up because I care about that person - even if it offends them because it's the truth. The same would go for a sports teammate. If my teammate wasn't working in the gym to become the best player he could be, or isn't playing the game the right way, or is having mental lapses - I'm going to speak up because I care about the player and the team - even if it offends the person because it's the truth.

I love what he did and I understand his reasoning behind it. Maybe it's because I'm very competitive and hard-nosed type of person myself, and I would want someone to be truthful & bold to me the same way if wasn't doing the right thing, playing up to par, etc. I would love Butler as a teammate, but I understand some people wouldn't.

We should respect players, and people for who they are and their differences.

Sure I think most wold help their family member in that instance. However, I dont think everyone would go blasting to social media and to anyone that would listen to say that their family member is a raging alcoholic while continuing to make it more about yourself by saying I never drink.