2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread II

[theGreatRC]

Why can't KAT play PF?

Centers are considered the least valuable they've ever been in the history of the game itself. Why not free up KAT to play the PF and not get as much physical wear on him through the season? If KAT is our best player, I'd rather take pressure off him in the paint, than freeing him up with a wing scorer (he's still gotta bang down low 82 games a year). KAT can get his offense in several ways, so it's not like adding a big man is going to totally handicap him on offense. Especially one you don't need to feed and can just feast off of scraps and the dump passes from Beasley/DLo drives to the rim.

If Wiseman can play decent defense, hit FTs, rebound, and be available for easy dunks he'll be a great value at the #1 spot this year imo. What he will ADD to the team won't take away from anything, and will only enhance their versatility in the modern game. Also, I like how he rebounds. He's got insane length, size, and great instincts for the ball (and he goes after it and doesn't let it just come to him).

Plus, I really liked what I saw from Beasley last season and I think he's in a good place in MN,he made the best out of the opportunity they gave him, and he could really thrive in MN (and lock in some money before potential pandemic revenue numbers effect things in a potentially big way). With Beasley, DLo, and KAT you have 3 very solid scoring threats as your main guys, and whatever you get from Wiseman on offense is just icing.

To the Ball people (aka 7 trolls or people with way too strong of weed):
Ball won't be able to score for sh*t at the NBA level, sorry but it's true. He will be a MUCH more frustrating and lower BBIQ version of Rubio, with probably as bad of shooting as early Wolves Rubio. I don't think he helps this roster much, DLo/KAT/Beas can create for themselves and they'll just sag off Ball and dare him to shoot while using the extra defender to make DLo and KAT work hard on offense. I think Ball would be one of the worst #1 picks ever made tbh... but we shall see (save this quote if you'd like).


Even if Edwards is amazing, I think his success is a zero sum game with the current Wolves build. In order for him to succeed, it will have to come at the expense of one of our other top scorers. I don't think he's the type of player that makes those around him better. I like how Beasley meshed with KAT and DLo and it would be a best possible case scenario if Edwards was the same... but why use the #1 pick with the hopes that he'll be as good as someone you already have on the roster? Sure Beasley will cost more per year, but I think he's ready to shine. Why reset the clock on someone that could be better, but I doubt will be by the end of his rookie contract (if ever)? For those thinking Edwards is going to be a DWade/McGrady level player... how? Where's their mentalities in Edwards?


Wiseman is not Sam Bowie and Edwards won't be an all-star, let alone a franchise changer.

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I think Wiseman helps make the Wolves a potential playoff contender by his 2nd season. I don't see Ball or Edwards doing that for the Wolves in their first contract (I actually don't think they make the playoffs with either of those guys on the team).

I've been saying KAT can play PF...people here just saw the Gorgui/KAT experiment and think that's how any combo of big men will go with KAT.

I keep seeing Wiseman as a Bam level athlete; incredibly fluid and moves well for his size...what are Wiseman's weaknesses again?

Is it motor? If it's motor, we run

[Klomp]

I think a lot of people believe Towns can play PF. However, it doesn't seem to be the way the front office is constructing the team.

[jpatrick]

I won't be upset if Ball is selected. To me, it's just an indicator he'll either be moved later that night or at another point.

The fact that Givony and Schmidt have suggested Ball should be the guy makes me think we should be open to the possibility.

Supposedly intelligent people, for some reason that eludes me, think Ball is good. I'm just going to write it off to temporary insanity or mass hypnosis.

Not just those two too. Vecenie and Wasserman also have him a top their personal draft boards.

Despite his love here, I can’t think of a single reputable draft analyst that has Wiseman ranked #1.

I still think trade is the most likely result. It’s going to be a long few months till draft day (whenever that will actually be).

[KGdaBom]

The fact that Givony and Schmidt have suggested Ball should be the guy makes me think we should be open to the possibility.

Supposedly intelligent people, for some reason that eludes me, think Ball is good. I'm just going to write it off to temporary insanity or mass hypnosis.

Not just those two too. Vecenie and Wasserman also have him a top their personal draft boards.

Despite his love here, I can’t think of a single reputable draft analyst that has Wiseman ranked #1.

I still think trade is the most likely result. It’s going to be a long few months till draft day (whenever that will actually be).

That's why I included mass hypnosis among my theory. Maybe a Jedi Mind Trick.

His shot is BROKEN. There is no hope of it ever being repaired. He is not the Droid we are looking for. Move along.

Trying my own Jedi Mind Trick.


I suppose the longer they delay the draft day the better chance the Wolves have to vet/scout the prospects. I still hope they stick with October 16th.

[MN7725]

The fact that Givony and Schmidt have suggested Ball should be the guy makes me think we should be open to the possibility.

Supposedly intelligent people, for some reason that eludes me, think Ball is good. I'm just going to write it off to temporary insanity or mass hypnosis.

Not just those two too. Vecenie and Wasserman also have him a top their personal draft boards.

Despite his love here, I can’t think of a single reputable draft analyst that has Wiseman ranked #1.

I still think trade is the most likely result. It’s going to be a long few months till draft day (whenever that will actually be).

Oct 16

Or has there been talk of delaying it?

[Neeva]

The fact that Givony and Schmidt have suggested Ball should be the guy makes me think we should be open to the possibility.

Supposedly intelligent people, for some reason that eludes me, think Ball is good. I'm just going to write it off to temporary insanity or mass hypnosis.

Not just those two too. Vecenie and Wasserman also have him a top their personal draft boards.

Despite his love here, I can’t think of a single reputable draft analyst that has Wiseman ranked #1.

I still think trade is the most likely result. It’s going to be a long few months till draft day (whenever that will actually be).

Are the ball family paying them lol?

[urinesane]

I think a lot of people believe Towns can play PF. However, it doesn't seem to be the way the front office is constructing the team.

Yes, but how could they have possibly expected to be in the mix for a guy like Wiseman? You have a plan, but adjust it when these opportunities come around imo. I think Wiseman is best fit & talent.

Could be wrong though. I think it's worth a gamble, not like the Wolves are known for awesome drafting anyway.

[Jedzz]

The fact that Givony and Schmidt have suggested Ball should be the guy makes me think we should be open to the possibility.

Supposedly intelligent people, for some reason that eludes me, think Ball is good. I'm just going to write it off to temporary insanity or mass hypnosis.

Not just those two too. Vecenie and Wasserman also have him a top their personal draft boards.

Despite his love here, I can’t think of a single reputable draft analyst that has Wiseman ranked #1.

I still think trade is the most likely result. It’s going to be a long few months till draft day (whenever that will actually be).

When have you guys ever heard or read about maintstream sports gurus hoping that the Timberwolves get the next best player? Pick an east or west coast or Miami larger maket team and that's where they want the next best players to end up. You don't think that constant bias doesn't enter into this discussion with draft propects? ...reputable draft analyst...mocks. Is that who we are really talking about here? Believe your own eyes, your own simple analysis now and then.

[urinesane]

I've been saying KAT can play PF...people here just saw the Gorgui/KAT experiment and think that's how any combo of big men will go with KAT.

I keep seeing Wiseman as a Bam level athlete; incredibly fluid and moves well for his size...what are Wiseman's weaknesses again?

Is it motor? If it's motor, we run

I absolutely hated Gorgui's defense. I like the guy and he definitely kept improving (his offensive skills), but I couldn't stand how often someone would blow by him and he'd go for a late swat of the air, rather than just keep good position and go straight up.

I think Wiseman's a legit other teams offense changing shot blocking threat once he learns to not bite on pump fakes (which may take a little while for him to learn). When he doesn't bite on those he has pretty good timing and coordination. Dude doesn't even have his man muscles yet and looks like a beast already.

Also, I'd actually be excited for Wolves basketball again, so I'm going to cheer for that scenario.

[Mattya]

You guys are selling Ball short. His shot isn’t broken beyond repair. He has touch on his shot that his brother never had. He has great instincts for the game despite how poor of coaching he has had. If Vanterpool is still here next season he would be a great trainer for Ball. The weight room will do wonders for him as well. He is a Rubio level passer with potential scoring ability that would only make him that much more dangerous than Rubio could ever dream. Not to mention he is a great rebounder and cutter off the ball. He has the highest potential in this draft in my eyes. If he is actually 6’8” and still growing he is that much more intriguing.

[Mattya]

Supposedly intelligent people, for some reason that eludes me, think Ball is good. I'm just going to write it off to temporary insanity or mass hypnosis.

Not just those two too. Vecenie and Wasserman also have him a top their personal draft boards.

Despite his love here, I can’t think of a single reputable draft analyst that has Wiseman ranked #1.

I still think trade is the most likely result. It’s going to be a long few months till draft day (whenever that will actually be).

When have you guys ever heard or read about maintstream sports gurus hoping that the Timberwolves get the next best player? Pick an east or west coast or Miami larger maket team and that's where they want the next best players to end up. You don't think that constant bias doesn't enter into this discussion with draft propects? ...reputable draft analyst...mocks. Is that who we are really talking about here? Believe your own eyes, your own simple analysis now and then.

I think you may be a little jaded. Mainstream hype last time the Wolves had #1 was that Towns should be the pick. Ball has been touted by Schmitz as the top guy since way before the lotto.

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[Rookie-Mistake]

I ask this question.

There was pressure in Rosas to make a move up in the last draft. Is there more pressure on him moving down and getting value?

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[Jedzz]

I ask this question.

There was pressure in Rosas to make a move up in the last draft. Is there more pressure on him moving down and getting value?

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Everyone stop your mental telepathy pressure powers. Give the guy a break.

[Jedzz]

Not just those two too. Vecenie and Wasserman also have him a top their personal draft boards.

Despite his love here, I can’t think of a single reputable draft analyst that has Wiseman ranked #1.

I still think trade is the most likely result. It’s going to be a long few months till draft day (whenever that will actually be).

When have you guys ever heard or read about maintstream sports gurus hoping that the Timberwolves get the next best player? Pick an east or west coast or Miami larger maket team and that's where they want the next best players to end up. You don't think that constant bias doesn't enter into this discussion with draft propects? ...reputable draft analyst...mocks. Is that who we are really talking about here? Believe your own eyes, your own simple analysis now and then.

I think you may be a little jaded. Mainstream hype last time the Wolves had #1 was that Towns should be the pick. Ball has been touted by Schmitz as the top guy since way before the lotto.

Oh yes I admit to being Jaded by now. Do you think the evidence shows I shouldn't be? Is Schmitz the only guy that has held fast to earlier projections? Because the discussion I was quoting was snowballing an idea that most respectable dudes were suggesting Ball. The Towns example is a good point. Seems they got that right but he was a unique size/capability player that set himself apart a little. That helps make it easier. Meanwhile guys like Booker, Oubre and Rozier went in the teens that year. Sidestep; Hey Wolves now have the #1/#2 of 2015. Might as well shoot for #4 or #13 as well.

[Klomp]

You guys are selling Ball short. His shot isn’t broken beyond repair. He has touch on his shot that his brother never had. He has great instincts for the game despite how poor of coaching he has had. If Vanterpool is still here next season he would be a great trainer for Ball. The weight room will do wonders for him as well. He is a Rubio level passer with potential scoring ability that would only make him that much more dangerous than Rubio could ever dream. Not to mention he is a great rebounder and cutter off the ball. He has the highest potential in this draft in my eyes. If he is actually 6’8” and still growing he is that much more intriguing.

Thank you for bringing that up, as I feel it's something people don't talk about. Everyone says he's just a nifty passer with nothing else, but there is more to his game if you wade past the hype.

People talk about being able to sag way off someone who isn't a shooter, but that to me is mainly when a guy is just standing in the corner (a la Wiggins). Sure, guys will probably go under screens and dare him to shoot, and it will be up to him to work on his craft and improve. One difference there between Ball and Rubio....Ball isn't afraid to shoot open shots. His confidence is sky high.

His basketball instincts are elite. His BBIQ has a long ways to go, but I think that's actually something scary in a good way. Practically everything he does on the court is based on instincts, and not necessarily from being a student of the game. To me, you can learn how to become a better shooter. You can't learn how to have his instincts.

His team is awful. They went 5-23. People like to attribute that record solely to him, but keep in mind that they were 4-9 with him but 1-14 without him.

[Klomp]

With Karl-Anthony Towns and D’Angelo Russell entrenched as the faces of the franchise, a team could be tempted to draft with an eye on finding a skill set that complements those two at the top of the pecking order. The Wolves have a clear need for a defensive presence in the frontcourt next to Towns, and adding another strong defender on the wing wouldn’t hurt either. But Rosas said the Wolves will not be baited into drafting for need at No. 1.

“We’re super open-minded. Nobody’s off the board,” Rosas said. “We’re going to do incredible due diligence, whether it’s a point guard, whether it’s a big. I’m 100 percent in the camp of ‘find the best player with the best upside.’ That’s the path we’re going to take.”

https://theathletic.com/2034846/2020/09/04/wolves-no-1-pick-draft-options-lamelo-ball-anthony-edwards-trade-gersson-rosas/

I think this is interesting to me considering the three players believed to be at the top of the draft according to most people. A lot of people are saying Anthony Edwards for Minnesota, but I'm not sure he provides the best upside. He's probably the safest of the top three for Minnesota right now, thanks to his offensive skill set and positional fit with the team.

Meanwhile, the two who I'd argue provide the most upside might also be the two with the least value around the league. Ball seems to be viewed very hot and cold, depending on who you talk to. I'm guessing a lot have reservations about him but still believe his potential is crazy high. If he gets his shot, that's a scary prospect. Wiseman's value is simply about positional importance. How many people will trade the farm for a 7-footer?

How could the trade values of these three change by the trade deadline? By next summer? Who has the most to gain? In some ways, I'm viewing this pick as a stock market buy. I want to find someone whose stock will rise the most to give us the best bang for our buck down the road, whether he stays with the team or is moved in a trade.

[Jedzz]

To me, you can learn how to become a better shooter. You can't learn how to have his instincts.

Is it possible? Sure.

Second question. Are you good with having him for 4 years and being his training development team until he absolutely leaves? Do you think Lavar wants him playing here beyond 4 years? Is that the best use of this pick?

[Klomp]

Second question. Are you good with having him for 4 years and being his training development team until he absolutely leaves? Do you think Lavar wants him playing here beyond 4 years? Is that the best use of this pick?

If we have expanded his value in the meantime and get back more in trade than we put into acquiring him, sure.

[KGdaBom]

You guys are selling Ball short. His shot isn’t broken beyond repair. He has touch on his shot that his brother never had. He has great instincts for the game despite how poor of coaching he has had. If Vanterpool is still here next season he would be a great trainer for Ball. The weight room will do wonders for him as well. He is a Rubio level passer with potential scoring ability that would only make him that much more dangerous than Rubio could ever dream. Not to mention he is a great rebounder and cutter off the ball. He has the highest potential in this draft in my eyes. If he is actually 6’8” and still growing he is that much more intriguing.

How can you watch him shoot even one time and think that after 16 years of learning that shot ingrained in his DNA that it is salvageable